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ClassActionFursuit posted:Also doesn't everyone cite the lowest low as the Warp 10 turn into salamanders Voyager episode that Brannon Braga wrote? Trekkies tend to hate the good/weird episodes. Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:Did nothing wrong. Also, murdered.  Voyager is pretty bad but no more so than most trek, even the sacred ds9
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Big Bad Idiot posted:if cops were bad guys in movies from 1960-present, instead of arabs, queers and black people, it would be a different world The Rockford Files, which was one of the most popular television shows of the time, regularly depicted cops as being corrupt, stupid, incompetent and entirely self serving. Even Jim’s “buddy” on the police force was presented as a two faced snake and always griped and complained whenever he had to do Jim a favor. That being said, if you want to blame someone for the advent of Copaganda, blame Dick Wolf. He was very proud of the work he did on Law and Order convincing the American public that prosecutors were good and defense attorneys were bad.
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Jaxyon posted:Trump was the bad guy for several 80's movies including Back to the Future 2 and he got to be president they made gremlins 2 too awesome and our society changed as a result
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Blood Boils posted:Voyager is pretty bad but no more so than most trek, even the sacred ds9 lol
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Clip-On Fedora posted:That being said, if you want to blame someone for the advent of Copaganda, blame Dick Wolf. He was very proud of the work he did on Law and Order convincing the American public that prosecutors were good and defense attorneys were bad. dick wolf wants to be a cop so loving bad
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Big Bad Idiot posted:people want to believe they are randian rational supermen yeah this is cspam
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DR FRASIER KRANG posted:ok this explains why I think about this television commercial literally six times a day Inverted Hungry, Hungry Hippos. God, I miss the nineties.
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Big Bad Idiot posted:if media didn't change your behavior they wouldn't spend so much money on advertising Disney was right, fish are cool. It's a shame that it took a subliminal propaganda campaign for people to see it.
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Big Bad Idiot posted:this may be the case but disney did do the propaganda thing I'm talking about. are you arguing that it didn't matter or affect their developing minds? I'm pretty sure I still see kids into star wars, transformers and mutant ninja turtles. Also I liked iron man in the 90s.
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Big Bad Idiot posted:this may be the case but disney did do the propaganda thing I'm talking about. are you arguing that it didn't matter or affect their developing minds? wtf? kids still love dinosaurs and robots what are you talking about
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i say swears online posted:birth of a nation was the most successful movie of all time One of the most famous directors in history did Hitler's propaganda videos.
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are cultural artifacts like movies, ads, etc used to sway the culture? sure. but a one-way analysis critically misses the reality that cultural artifacts are always a product of their culture. they made finding nemo because anthropomorphic fish telling the story of "kid gets lost at the mall" is one that is relatable and acceptable in our culture. subtle messaging by disney didn't make that true. cops are the heroes in our movies because broadly our culture thinks there are a lot of cops who are heroes.
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mass shootings? like jackson filming lotr concurrently? edit I swear someone switched this thread and the mass shooting thread but it just reverted back
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i say swears online posted:mass shootings? like jackson filming lotr concurrently?
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guy at pixar: movie effects u? thats my alma mater
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Knight posted:I saw it too. It was a They Live moment where you saw through the veil that pop culture is programming our next mass shooters. POP POP POP POPPPOPPOPPOP Culture
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i say swears online posted:mass shootings? like jackson filming lotr concurrently? pop pop pop culture
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Homeless Friend posted:mother fucker.... owned
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Fellatio del Toro posted:guy at pixar: movie effects u? thats my alma mater
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PerniciousKnid posted:I'm pretty sure I still see kids into star wars, transformers and mutant ninja turtles. kids aren't into what you think of as those things, especially Star Wars. zoomers love the Clone Wars cartoons and the older ones love the prequels. they like the Bay transformers and the TMNT series you've probably never seen, not the one where they wear Uncle Fester masks to go out in public I really enjoy how many people in this thread fully disbelieve the idea that popular media shapes childrens' and (to a lesser but still significant extent) the public's minds. it's a strange sort of magical thinking
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if that were true then my kids would balk at playing with original TMNT action figures but I gave them to them and they said "heck yeah, this is Leo and Mikey!"
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that only proves your children can distinguish colors
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indigi posted:kids aren't into what you think of as those things, especially Star Wars. zoomers love the Clone Wars cartoons and the older ones love the prequels. they like the Bay transformers and the TMNT series you've probably never seen, not the one where they wear Uncle Fester masks to go out in public I don't believe any of it, and only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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indigi posted:kids aren't into what you think of as those things, especially Star Wars. zoomers love the Clone Wars cartoons and the older ones love the prequels. they like the Bay transformers and the TMNT series you've probably never seen, not the one where they wear Uncle Fester masks to go out in public You know what I think is magical thinking? The notion that The writers of 24 tricked republicans into thinking that torture was a good idea, That Aaron Sorkin fooled a bunch of Democrats into sucking rear end, or even that The Blackboard Jungle turned a generation of young people into dangerous juvenile delinquents. Republicans already though torture was great, Clinton Democrats loved the West Wing because it lionized what they already believed, and the youth were already dissatisfied and looking to rebel before watching The Black Board Jungle. People choose these shows because they already represent the hopes, dreams, and aspirations they already held in their heart. If such a thing as the collective unconscious exists, then media is a mirror that reflects it. I’m not saying Television is just a toaster, after all Henry Kissinger and the US government used pirated US media as part of a decades long project to successfully trick the soviets in rejecting communism and embracing capitalism. But recently a lot of media obsessed liberals in recent years have developed this bizarre shamanistic belief that if they force media and popular culture to be wholesome, they can force the society they live in to be wholesome as well. Much like Zangief in the Street Fighter movie, they think that if they simply change the channel, they can keep a truck filled with explosives from barreling towards the building they’re in. Shows like Ted Lasso feel like an attempt to drop a giant dose of Prozac into the American subconscious in order to make Americans more docile and obedient. However, this only works on the portion of the population that WANTS to chill out and be docile. Anyone who doesn’t will reject the show and it’s message. You can see your reflection in a mirror, but you can’t give yourself a mustache by drawing one over your reflection. You can only give yourself the illusion that you have a mustache.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:guy at pixar: movie effects u? thats my alma mater
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indigi posted:kids aren't into what you think of as those things, especially Star Wars. zoomers love the Clone Wars cartoons and the older ones love the prequels. they like the Bay transformers and the TMNT series you've probably never seen, not the one where they wear Uncle Fester masks to go out in public wow, exactly what voldemort would say!
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Clip-On Fedora posted:You know what I think is magical thinking? nope
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Clip-On Fedora posted:You know what I think is magical thinking? The notion that The writers of 24 tricked republicans into thinking that torture was a good idea, That Aaron Sorkin fooled a bunch of Democrats into sucking rear end, or even that The Blackboard Jungle turned a generation of young people into dangerous juvenile delinquents. Republicans already though torture was great, Clinton Democrats loved the West Wing because it lionized what they already believed, and the youth were already dissatisfied and looking to rebel before watching The Black Board Jungle. People choose these shows because they already represent the hopes, dreams, and aspirations they already held in their heart. If such a thing as the collective unconscious exists, then media is a mirror that reflects it. actually the nazis took over because some broad made Hitler: Live in Concert
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:actually the nazis took over because some broad made Hitler: Live in Concert arena reich
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i just didn't get the disney channel as a kid. walt's efforts to make me love fish were squandered.
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indigi posted:nope The rest of the post goes on to explain it so you don't actually have to know what he thinks magical thinking is. I think they call that a rhetorical device
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Clip-On Fedora posted:You know what I think is magical thinking? The notion that The writers of 24 tricked republicans into thinking that torture was a good idea, That Aaron Sorkin fooled a bunch of Democrats into sucking rear end, or even that The Blackboard Jungle turned a generation of young people into dangerous juvenile delinquents. Republicans already though torture was great, Clinton Democrats loved the West Wing because it lionized what they already believed, and the youth were already dissatisfied and looking to rebel before watching The Black Board Jungle. People choose these shows because they already represent the hopes, dreams, and aspirations they already held in their heart. If such a thing as the collective unconscious exists, then media is a mirror that reflects it. 
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This was a big hit at my grade school https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs
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It's absolutely true that Disney and everyone uses media as propaganda to shape beliefs. I just don't think it's true they used it to make Finding Nemo a hit.
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indigi posted:nope THEN WHYDJA ASK MAAAAN!?!?!?!?! AAAAAH!!!
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Culture is downstream of material conditions. If our politics seems entirely preoccupied with culture, it's because the politics have already been decided. It's Lib thinking to believe that society can be changed through "mindset shifting" or if we could just reach those dang Republicans through some amazing art they'd see the error of their ways.
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