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wheatpuppy posted:There was that one woman who wrote a book about (iirc) homosexuality being punishable by death in England. Only to find out, in a live interview after publication, that she had completely misunderstood the legal terminology she was quoting. Naomi Wolf, this link includes the interview: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-50153743
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Captain Hygiene posted:Oh yeah, I remember that one too. There was some wording that was confusing if you accepted it at a cursory level without any further research, but I forget the exact details and my searches are way too vague to find that case. "Sentence of death recorded". She thought it meant "we sentenced them to death, which is recorded here" but what it meant by this point in history was "we wrote down that they had been sentenced to death but we didn't actually do it christ what do you think we are, barbarians?"
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Captain Hygiene posted:Oh yeah, I remember that one too. There was some wording that was confusing if you accepted it at a cursory level without any further research, but I forget the exact details and my searches are way too vague to find that case. It was bugg Naomi Wolf posted:"People widely believe that the last executions for sodomy were in 1830,” Wolf told the Observer. “But I read every Old Bailey record throughout the 19th century, so I know that not only did they continue; they got worse.” quote:According to Sweet, who first challenged Wolf on Radio 3’s Arts and Ideas, her error concerning Silver stems from a misunderstanding of “the very precise historical legal term, ‘death recorded’, as evidence of execution, when in fact it indicates the opposite”. E:f,beaten like a 19th-C prisoner
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wheatpuppy posted:There was that one woman who wrote a book about (iirc) homosexuality being punishable by death in England. Only to find out, in a live interview after publication, that she had completely misunderstood the legal terminology she was quoting. Naomi Wolf E: drat, I had this tab open for longer than I thought. Lemniscate Blue has a new favorite as of 04:29 on Jul 6, 2023 |
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Captain Hygiene posted:Oh yeah, I remember that one too. There was some wording that was confusing if you accepted it at a cursory level without any further research, but I forget the exact details and my searches are way too vague to find that case. The confusion was that she kept seeing "death recorded" in courtroom records of trials for homosexuality, and thought it meant the person had been executed, but actually it meant that they had been sentenced to death and the sentence was "recorded" but was almost never actually carried out. Confusing? Yes, somewhat. Something a historian should have been able to clarify before she published a book about it? Also yes
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Jul 6, 2023 04:24
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It would be an understandable mistake if it was like, in a blog post, but wasn't she writing some kind of academic thesis? Lmao
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mycatscrimes posted:It would be an understandable mistake if it was like, in a blog post, but wasn't she writing some kind of academic thesis? Lmao A book, sold for the mass market. Publication was largely cancelled after the interview lol.
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Sagebrush posted:The confusion was that she kept seeing "death recorded" in courtroom records of trials for homosexuality, and thought it meant the person had been executed, but actually it meant that they had been sentenced to death and the sentence was "recorded" but was almost never actually carried out. It was incredibly easy to find out too. Like, you can look up the courtroom records yourself and find out that many of the people who had their 'deaths recorded' went on to have other things happen to them later on.
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HopperUK posted:It was incredibly easy to find out too. Like, you can look up the courtroom records yourself and find out that many of the people who had their 'deaths recorded' went on to have other things happen to them later on. Well that's a whole 'nother book in itself, about the Secret Zombie Invasion of 1843.
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Arivia posted:A book, sold for the mass market. Publication was largely cancelled after the interview lol. Ok not quite as bad as a thesis but still terrible lol
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Naomi Wolf also wrote that people had been convicted of being in 'gay relationships with other men' when in fact they had raped children or animals. She's a loving hack liar and she sucks. Her wikipedia page is example after example of lazy, incomplete research.
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She also got really, really insistent that COVID vaccines are the devil. Naomi Wolf is an incredibly stupid person.
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So for my own clarification did the Death Penalty Recorded thing basically come out of it technically being illegal but people not caring as much, like "Technically I should give you the death penalty for this but we all know that's bullshit so let's just not and say we did. There'll be a fine tho"
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From what I understand, legalistically there were two seperate processes. First you convict them, which results on sentence of death, then you can pardon them to some lesser sentence. But you can't pardon someone for sonething they haven't been convicted of so its neccesary to go through Step 1 first.
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Captain Hygiene posted:This isn't anything new, but it popped up in my feed and made me laugh all over again: Great Moments in Historical Novel Research, when an author did some googling for dye ingredients and somehow wound up putting recipes from a Zelda game into their book If memory serves, that's the author who wrote that piece of poo poo book the Boy in the Striped Pyjamas.
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Captain Hygiene posted:This isn't anything new, but it popped up in my feed and made me laugh all over again: Great Moments in Historical Novel Research, when an author did some googling for dye ingredients and somehow wound up putting recipes from a Zelda game into their book It was really funny as he very obviously took the first result he got on google and did absolutely zero reading on what the result was.
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he obviously asked alexa and just wrote it down
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Samovar posted:If memory serves, that's the author who wrote that piece of poo poo book the Boy in the Striped Pyjamas. The very same, John Boyne. Imagine writing a book about the Holocaust that's so bad that the loving Auschwitz Museum is advising people not to read it, and somehow not immediately crumpling into a black hole of shame. Dude just loves writing about things he knows nothing about and refuses to do research for. And then he gets very pissy when criticized, to the point of suing people left, right, and center using the UK's garbage libel laws. It probably won't come as a surprise that he also wrote a book about trans people, which is also really loving bad. Perestroika has a new favorite as of 07:48 on Jul 6, 2023 |
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what's really funny is people get hung up on him making a pun in english when the characters are in germany and speaking german ("they would not confuse those two words when speaking German!" *cinemasins ding*), rather than any of the rest of the book being awful
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Jul 6, 2023 07:56
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Huh, the vampire Jesus book is on Kindle unlimited. Tempting...
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If Google told me that you could use Hylian Shrooms and Red Lizalfos Tails to make red dye, and I was looking for that information because I wanted to write about a dressmaker preparing to poison Attila the Hun, I might do a bit more research to confirm that those things were both available, and usable in 5th century Europe. But that's not shocking from someone who wrote a book about the nine-year-old son of a high-ranking Nazi who somehow doesn't know who Hitler is.
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Shwoo posted:If Google told me that you could use Hylian Shrooms and Red Lizalfos Tails to make red dye, and I was looking for that information because I wanted to write about a dressmaker preparing to poison Attila the Hun, I might do a bit more research to confirm that those things were both available, and usable in 5th century Europe. But that's not shocking from someone who wrote a book about the nine-year-old son of a high-ranking Nazi who somehow doesn't know who Hitler is. My favorite part is after being raked over the coals about how stupid he was, the only thing he learned was, according to him, was not to look up poison recipes anymore. Not to like... check where he got the recipe from. Just... not to do research in the first place.
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Kchama posted:My favorite part is after being raked over the coals about how stupid he was, the only thing he learned was, according to him, was not to look up poison recipes anymore. If the book was written a year later it would say "as an AI language model, I cannot tell you which dyes can be used as poisons"
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Captain Hygiene posted:This isn't anything new, but it popped up in my feed and made me laugh all over again: Great Moments in Historical Novel Research, when an author did some googling for dye ingredients and somehow wound up putting recipes from a Zelda game into their book There was the romance author who plagiarized an article about the black-footed ferret for their historical romance novel.
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Arivia posted:Naomi Wolf, this link includes the interview: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-50153743 https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/1186995263807864832?lang=en
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Naomi Klein isn't much better really.
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Naomi Klein has written a whole book about how she is not Naomi Wolf.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Naomi Klein isn't much better really. she should have cowritten that book with Matt Gertz or whatever that guy's name who isn't Matt Gaetz is
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Captain Hygiene posted:This isn't anything new, but it popped up in my feed and made me laugh all over again: Great Moments in Historical Novel Research, when an author did some googling for dye ingredients and somehow wound up putting recipes from a Zelda game into their book Atilla the Hun, Ganondorf, to-MAY-to to-MAH-to
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I had never heard of The Boy in the Striped Pajamas before and after a bit of Googling uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Like, isn't there someone at the publishing company who's supposed to stop stuff like that?
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GreenMetalSun posted:I had never heard of The Boy in the Striped Pajamas before and after a bit of Googling uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh They fired all their editors as a cost-saving tactic.
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GreenMetalSun posted:I had never heard of The Boy in the Striped Pajamas before and after a bit of Googling uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh They actually made a movie adaptation of it too.
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HopperUK posted:Hard disagree but I think they're doing different things anyway.
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GreenMetalSun posted:I had never heard of The Boy in the Striped Pajamas before and after a bit of Googling uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh If you have a friend at a publisher it is extremely easy to get complete poo poo through and have their entire marketing budget behind you. See: Patrick Rothfuss.
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Kchama posted:If you have a friend at a publisher it is extremely easy to get complete poo poo through and have their entire marketing budget behind you. lol did he ever finish his super tedious Mary sue trilogy?
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NoiseAnnoys posted:lol did he ever finish his super tedious Mary sue trilogy? In 2013 he posted a picture of a fat manuscript and claimed it was nearly done. In 2020 his editor said she hadn't ever seen a word of Book 3 and didn't think he'd written any of it. In 2021 he read the prologue at a live event but never followed up with Chapter 1 as he promised. Not having read any of his stuff I find it extremely funny.
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Having made the mistake of reading the first book, it's extremely funny.
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A few years ago I did a class on post-war German literature, which was fairly harrowing, but also we read The Boy In The Striped Pajamas and i have never, in my entire academic career, seen a book universally loathed by the entire class.
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Captain Monkey posted:Having made the mistake of reading the first book, it's extremely funny. You need to read the second book, if only to appreciate that the guy had one half-baked idea and clearly had no idea on how to develop it, he blows through 600 pages and nothing of import happens.
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