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I took a year and a halfish off after a layoff with a nice severance, and it was nice after working with burn out for the six months on a death march of a project. The first week was spent doing nothing more intensive than walking. I didn’t mean to take that much time off, but I was very bad with using my vacation time while I was working, and I was in a new relationship, so I felt I owed myself. I do wish I had started job hunting after a couple months, because it was harder than I thought, although I was looking to get a nice salary boost and was being more picky. I did some projects for friends, which kept my resume from being empty during that time. I don’t know if that mattered to hiring managers. They were actually interesting projects.
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the psychiatrists, psychologists and therapists are themselves burnt to a crisp from tmurp, the roni and modernity becoming a poo poo, ironically
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Pollyanna posted:I’ve had idle thoughts of forming an LLC and doing electronics/embedded/MCU work and projects under it. I’ve had an interest in that for a long while now, but put on the backburner due to other time commitments and also sadbrains. the sadbrains prolly wont go away after 5 weeks of hanging around on a beach but they will prolly ameliorate enough for you to do things of your own volition, if my experience of other peeps burnouts holds here
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I do not care about gaps. Gaps can happen for all sorts of reasons: looking after yourself, a new or aging family member, moving across the country, all sorts of things. It doesn't signal to me "was looking for work but couldn't get an offer because they're no good". I do care about duration of employment. I know it's common these days to job-hop every 2 years, but I feel that someone who has stayed at their last couple of jobs for 5+ years is likely a better candidate than someone who moved every 2 years.
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I’m not much for the beach. I think it would be more productive to go on walks in the park, sunbathe, meditate/think really hard, and come up with ways of living and working that make life smoother.
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minato posted:I do not care about gaps. Gaps can happen for all sorts of reasons: looking after yourself, a new or aging family member, moving across the country, all sorts of things. It doesn't signal to me "was looking for work but couldn't get an offer because they're no good". My employment from 2015~2023 looks something like 1 year, 2 years, 4 years, 2 years (at El Goog). Does that reflect badly on me? bob dobbs is dead posted:well, you get what im talkin about True. I have hope that this is a good step to take, but it’s also not going to be a cakewalk. I’ll need to put genuine effort in.
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You need to have a social life while you're not working. If you have good circles outside of work, that's not an issue, but otherwise you really need to work on that for the time off to work. It doesn't have to be much, but I don't know anyone who really deals well with prolonged isolation.
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Achmed Jones posted:txt me 
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Pollyanna posted:in the meantime, I’d like to hear about people’s experiences taking a longer leave of absence or period of unemployment to work on themselves. Especially about how it impacts future career prospects and how to stay afloat in the meantime financially/medically/etc. I'm not saying you're most people, but most people get bored about month 4 into their 6 month sabbatical. Have a plan and go on a trip for the first 3-6 weeks, somewhere cheap like Georgia (the country) or SE Asia or whatever. If you just stay at home you're gonna sit there and stew on the couch which isn't healthy. If you go to eastern europe you can fly to istanbul pretty cheap, and use it as a connector to get you to SE asia, then swing through california before landing in boston to knock out a round-the-world trip for not much more than if you'd flown right back home. Usually by week 4 or 5 you'll start thinking about your next plans and when you get home you'll feel more confident in the next steps. In the good times at least, nobody ever cared about taking a six month sabbatical. I dunno about right now. Being an alumni from google won't hurt you.
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ultrafilter posted:You need to have a social life while you're not working. If you have good circles outside of work, that's not an issue, but otherwise you really need to work on that for the time off to work. It doesn't have to be much, but I don't know anyone who really deals well with prolonged isolation. Yup. I’ve completely neglected socializing and it sucks.
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this is the worst time to go to eastern europe in 30 years, give or take i'd try spain or other bits of south europe to istanbul etc if i were you
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1993 eastern europe would like a word with you
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i regret to note that 30 years ago was 1993 and the passage of time is a gently caress
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Yeah but I just found out Tbilisi exists and it looks goregous
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This isn’t a vacation. I’ve already taken a two-week trip to Japan this year. I have a lot of personal development to do and home responsibilities to be present for.
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Hadlock posted:Yeah but I just found out Tbilisi exists and it looks goregous Georgian food is seriously underrated and if any of you can find a restaurant nearby you should definitely check it out.
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its pretty correctly rated by actual east euro peeps but underrated in the west yeah
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oliveoil posted:Is that different from a psychiatric specialization? Trying to figure out how to find one. I'm so burnt out but I am worried I'll just get rejected. My primary was just like nope sorry all your tests were normal so there's nothing I can do. Just had a talk with an NP. Prescribed me Prozac, wants to know how I feel after two weeks. She didn't say anything about a leave.
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Pollyanna posted:My employment from 2015~2023 looks something like 1 year, 2 years, 4 years, 2 years (at El Goog). Does that reflect badly on me? Only problem with being hoppy is needing to fill out so many rows in the employment verification stuff. No one cares.
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Everyone is different but I can't imagine doing a whole lot of personal growth in my house in the same city I've lived in for many years. You don't need to go to the beach and drink your tits off, but they call them "retreats" for a reason. My wife did a 6 month sabbatical and while we were traveling a lot, reserved 3-4 hours every morning to work on writing, meditation, reading. Good luck.
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i would like to recommend purchasing and riding a bicycle
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Another option is just to look at maybe working at places that wouldn't pay as much but give you more personal investment and interest; that's a lot of question marks there but still, it's something I want to try doing for my next gig unless I get seriously caught up in some cool stuff here. A long time ago a friend of mine got an IT job at Johns Hopkins and when I asked him why, he said it was because his girlfriend of 10 years had died of cancer and so he gets to show up every day and help support people trying to fix that, and it gave him an immense sense of satisfaction. Dunno if that lasts forever, but it might be nice to have my company meetings consist of more than the JP Morgan Chase CEO crowing about how much loving money they're going to save this year.
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prom candy posted:i would like to recommend purchasing and riding a bicycle This is also a wise decision
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Falcon2001 posted:Another option is just to look at maybe working at places that wouldn't pay as much but give you more personal investment and interest; that's a lot of question marks there but still, it's something I want to try doing for my next gig unless I get seriously caught up in some cool stuff here. It’s not as simple as what I work on. I need to dedicate time, effort, and focus to improving myself and how I live my life. That’s a very basic and personal thing, and it needs special concentration after being neglected for most of my adult life. Simply changing what I work on isn’t going to solve the core problem. Which is why I’m considering taking a long amount of time to focus on that - there’s a lot to get done. Anyway this is becoming the Pollyanna Power Hour again and maybe an E/N thread would be more appropriate.
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minato posted:I do not care about gaps. Gaps can happen for all sorts of reasons: looking after yourself, a new or aging family member, moving across the country, all sorts of things. It doesn't signal to me "was looking for work but couldn't get an offer because they're no good". I hopped my way through a few consulting hellholes and then a series of constantly collapsing startups, it probably raises some red flags. I still quit my previous job a year and a half in because my manager was a colossal piece of poo poo and everyone up to the CTO checked out and was actively looking for a new job themselves. I spoke to a lot of people around my level who also wanted to quit but felt like they should stay at a company for X number of years just out of principle.
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oliveoil posted:Just had a talk with an NP. Prescribed me Prozac, wants to know how I feel after two weeks. She didn't say anything about a leave. I don't have any experience with this stuff, but I'm surrounded by people who do (maybe I'm the problem!). I would figure you wouldn't even be done ramping up on Prozac in two weeks. I guess maybe in two weeks that you can tell if it's having an adverse affect--maybe?
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Ensign Expendable posted:I hopped my way through a few consulting hellholes and then a series of constantly collapsing startups, it probably raises some red flags. I still quit my previous job a year and a half in because my manager was a colossal piece of poo poo and everyone up to the CTO checked out and was actively looking for a new job themselves. But also when evaluating someone, we're looking at so many other signals that are much stronger. Job duration is just one signal, and it's weak. It might be a contributing factor if we're on the fence about someone; but it's not going to come up if they demonstrate strong engineering skills, are good communicators, demonstrate pro-activeness, etc etc. Re: taking some time off for travel. My recommendation is to not plan too much; otherwise the vacation becomes Work, where you're constantly scheduling and trying to optimize seeing the most sights on the smallest budget within the allotted time. It ironically becomes stressful. If you have the money, I'd highly recommend doing it. Don't wait until your older when you'll have less energy and more responsibilities that will reign in the ability you have now. I know some folks who took "pre-retirement": quitting their jobs for a year to go do all the fun stuff that'd be too hard to do once they had kids and/or older-age health issues.
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Ensign Expendable posted:I spoke to a lot of people around my level who also wanted to quit but felt like they should stay at a company for X number of years just out of principle. Fine: "Company leadership was struggling to find a working strategy for our product, and soon it was clear the writing was on the wall. I felt I wanted a better opportunity to make impact with my skills, which is why I left." Bad: "Ugh, the marketing folks there thought they were god's gift to the world and wouldn't listen to anyone, they were so dumb that they drove our product into the ground. They probably don't care, they're likely all still doing coke in the bathroom"
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Pollyanna posted:It’s not as simple as what I work on. I need to dedicate time, effort, and focus to improving myself and how I live my life. That’s a very basic and personal thing, and it needs special concentration after being neglected for most of my adult life. Simply changing what I work on isn’t going to solve the core problem. Which is why I’m considering taking a long amount of time to focus on that - there’s a lot to get done. imo the poo poo you deal with is (more or less) poo poo that all (more or less) of us deal with. it's helpful for lots of people - myself included - even though we have very different (...but also not that different, what up rails-to-google-pipeline) lives. 
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oliveoil posted:Is that different from a psychiatric specialization? Trying to figure out how to find one. I'm so burnt out but I am worried I'll just get rejected. My primary was just like nope sorry all your tests were normal so there's nothing I can do. The letters after her name are: PMHNP - stands for Psychiatric-Mental Health Nurse Practitioner. I recommend them over psychiatrists/psychologists because psychiatrists charge a lot more money per session and are much more likely to be dickheads (but any will be better than GPs). Psychologists generally can't prescribe drugs and are less useful than the PMHNP. Also, if you go straight to a headshrinker, they're more likely to try to solve whatever problem you have with psychiatry whereas the GP may not be an expert in mental health and may not want to deal with all the paperwork for mental health leave. For a new patient, they're probably not going to just immediately pull you out of work at least until they get to know you a little - the first line will probably involve therapy and drugs. If you look like you're fishing for something, mental health professionals may throw up roadblocks - for instance if they think you're fishing for adhd drugs, you might get referred to an ADHD specialist and have to pay thousands of dollars to get diagnosed, but if they personally think you have adhd, you might get a super short questionnaire that's a mere formality. Describing your symptoms and letting them come to the conclusion will generally go better than the other way around. Bruegels Fuckbooks fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jul 6, 2023 |
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Achmed Jones posted:imo the poo poo you deal with is (more or less) poo poo that all (more or less) of us deal with. it's helpful for lots of people - myself included - even though we have very different (...but also not that different, what up rails-to-google-pipeline) lives. Well if you insist!!!  Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:The letters after her name are: PMHNP - stands for Psychiatric-Mental Health Nurse Practitioner. I wonder how this goes when you are already diagnosed with ADHD and are currently medicated for it and are still burnt out and sad. 
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Pollyanna posted:Well if you insist!!! People with adhd are more prone to burnout and a lot of burnout symptoms are similar to adhd symptoms.
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Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:People with adhd are more prone to burnout and a lot of burnout symptoms are similar to adhd symptoms.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:This is why I write notes to myself in uncommented plain text in my code. It won't compile until I remove it, and hopefully I read it first. Linters hate him!
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FWIW: I also generally recommend folks just in general talk to a therapist semi-regularly. They're not going to be able to prescribe drugs/etc, but talk therapy has absolutely been a huge thing for me on a bunch of levels. You gotta find someone you click with, but I've been in therapy for the last 8 years or so and the folks in this thread should be able to afford it for the most part. It's not just for like 'I have severe trauma to deal with' but a lot of just daily burnout stuff is useful to talk through.
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minato posted:Common advice in interviews is "don't talk poo poo about your last job", but I've never quite agreed with that. I do get that you don't want to come off as "it was all their fault, I was blameless" because when I've seen that it makes the person sound like an "everyone else sucks except me" rear end in a top hat. I don't buy the argument that it shows you were "disloyal". I think it's fine to diplomatically talk poo poo about your last employers, as long as you focus on the company itself and not individuals. Yeah, when interviewing last time I went with "I want to be a manager, but the company doesn't have a path from technical to people leadership" and that seems to have been accepted as a good enough reason by at least a few companies.
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Falcon2001 posted:FWIW: I also generally recommend folks just in general talk to a therapist semi-regularly. You're not my dad! 
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