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Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!
I have one of each level boost ticket, and I'm not sure which kind to use on Red Sheet Sinclair. It's the only ID I have at level 1, which is the only kind I want to use level boost tickets on. I don't know if I want to spend the gold one immediately or save it for K Hong Lu or whatever else I pull next.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Solitair posted:

I have one of each level boost ticket, and I'm not sure which kind to use on Red Sheet Sinclair. It's the only ID I have at level 1, which is the only kind I want to use level boost tickets on. I don't know if I want to spend the gold one immediately or save it for K Hong Lu or whatever else I pull next.

they're quasi-fungible, so if you want talisman sinclair to ever be 30+ (which is debatable when the endgame content is mirror 2, because it automatically fully levels your sinners) dump it onto him

CountDuckoo
Jul 27, 2022

Google Jeb Bush posted:

they're quasi-fungible, so if you want talisman sinclair to ever be 30+ (which is debatable when the endgame content is mirror 2, because it automatically fully levels your sinners) dump it onto him

Well, mirror dungeon 2 hard mode uses your sinners' levels with a cap of 35 (for when we eventually get higher level cap) so level does matter there, and in the next month or two we're getting railway 2 and chapter 4.5.

Ariamaki
Jun 30, 2011

"I'm the most powerful
search engine in the world!"
-- The GoogleProg

Solitair posted:

I have one of each level boost ticket, and I'm not sure which kind to use on Red Sheet Sinclair. It's the only ID I have at level 1, which is the only kind I want to use level boost tickets on. I don't know if I want to spend the gold one immediately or save it for K Hong Lu or whatever else I pull next.

I would personally save a gold ticket for somebody with a little more immediate oomph, but Red Sheet is fun and if you like using him I'd absolutely recommend a silver to get him into at least a functional tier.

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe
Liushmael's probably gonna be a good gold ticket candidate unless her numbers are bad, perish the thought

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
not at all sure I'm going to get the full hard mode experience with the number of normal modes I've been alt tabbing through, rip

KobunFan
Aug 13, 2022
You alt tab? I just make it windowed and watch a video while spamming my way through.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!
I have two monitors, one has Youtube on and the other has Limbus.

L.U.I.G.I
Apr 19, 2023

i cant believe i was the useless piece of shit who managed to rig all the Library of Ruina LP thread polls and all i got was this account and shitty avatar.

pls say hi and heckle me
I read fanfiction on my phone at the same time.

Ariamaki
Jun 30, 2011

"I'm the most powerful
search engine in the world!"
-- The GoogleProg
I have my writing program (classic win98 WordPad) scaled to document size and I get a few lines done between turns with Limbus taking up most of the screen.

When I'm not just watching the clashes go by to get a better grasp for how things are going. :V

posadas
Jan 28, 2021
Not sure if this was the case before, but I had an incomplete MD run when the weekly reset happened. It kicked me out and gave me prorated rewards, but also allowed me to apply one of my freshly-reset weekly bonuses to the run. I was near the end, so I went ahead with it.

L.U.I.G.I
Apr 19, 2023

i cant believe i was the useless piece of shit who managed to rig all the Library of Ruina LP thread polls and all i got was this account and shitty avatar.

pls say hi and heckle me

posadas posted:

Not sure if this was the case before, but I had an incomplete MD run when the weekly reset happened. It kicked me out and gave me prorated rewards, but also allowed me to apply one of my freshly-reset weekly bonuses to the run. I was near the end, so I went ahead with it.

From what I remember, before the overhaul, they just kicked you out and ended the run without reward but then agin, it's a few month back so I'm not sure

E; I don't what worse: Sitting through a MD doing other stuff or having to reset a training day on LobCorp

L.U.I.G.I fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Jul 6, 2023

TeeQueue
Oct 9, 2012

The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.
Both are better than spending 2 hours on a training day at 2x speed and having the game hard-freeze because it was at the end of a 4 hour gaming marathon session. :shepface:

Ayndin
Mar 13, 2010

Three 000s and two EGOs over five ten pulls but none of them were the new Ishmael, sadly. Popped my guaranteed s2 000 ticket too, which gave 3 000 (Rosespanner Rodion, new Sunshower Heathcliff, new K Corp Hong Lu). I’ll probably just use the dispenser, I’m already sitting on like 700 boxes.

This season has been way less lucky with new IDs, but unless the new upties eat huge resources I can’t really complain with how easy it is to stack shard boxes.

L.U.I.G.I
Apr 19, 2023

i cant believe i was the useless piece of shit who managed to rig all the Library of Ruina LP thread polls and all i got was this account and shitty avatar.

pls say hi and heckle me

TeeQueue posted:

Both are better than spending 2 hours on a training day at 2x speed and having the game hard-freeze because it was at the end of a 4 hour gaming marathon session. :shepface:

I am both equally in awe and admiration at your capability at doing the training of an agent in a single day. I do not know how you summoned the will to sit and managed X-934 for two straight hours and this during a single day. Thinking about it make more scared by the second.

Einander
Sep 14, 2008

"Yeh've forged a magnificent sword."

"This one's only practice. The real sword I intend to forge will be three times longer."

"Can there really be a sword as monstrous as that in this world?"

"Yes. I can see that sword... Somewhere out there..."
Just used shards for new Ishmael, since there's no new 00s with it. Very happy to finally have a good Identity for Ishmael that doesn't require set-up like Shi does. 10/16/15 is a pretty good set of max values for her skills, especially with 2/3/4 coins. The skill 2 conditional for +2 Burn Count is also nice and easy to meet, since one Burn EGO and the first two coins will get you there.

Onehandclapping
Oct 21, 2010
I'm messing around with a full burn team led by Lishmael and it's owning incredibly hard.

Luishmael is a great identity, lots of coins, good color spread, tanky body with high HP and stagger bars, and of singular and utmost importance, her animations are incredibly snappy with no wasted time. 11/10 Liushy respects your time and looks really cool doing it.

As far as the burn team goes, it's pretty effective. The Liu 00 identities are all fairly mediocre individually, but with all 4 of them together the passives and resonances for red and orange are going off every single turn, kicking off some wicked burn synergies and killing everything in a wonderful blaze. With a single burn relic, the team is pushing 15+ burn on every enemy every single turn, and one rounding almost every blunt-weak enemy, which quickly became enough to just auto roll every fight.

Burn team is looking solid now, and they have a very stylish way of fighting that's fun to look at, especially when they're all popping off at once and it's a big brawl fire beatdown. IshLiu is a great capstone to it, and i'm glad that PM is finally rounding out status effect teams. I highly recommend giving it a whirl

CountDuckoo
Jul 27, 2022

But I have Shi Ishmael...

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe
Oh wow I knew that extractions could start off with a gold orb to show they have a 000, and that the orb could start red then turn gold to have a surprise 000, but I just had red portals turn gold on me. Gotta admit I will always get a kick out of that kind of bait and switch, same feeling as FFXIV treasure maps.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

i realize that this is not how probability works, but i still get mad whenever I get a gacha EGO "instead" of the ID I want

there's Red Eyes Open, completing my collection again :negative:

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe

Yinlock posted:

i realize that this is not how probability works, but i still get mad whenever I get a gacha EGO "instead" of the ID I want

there's Red Eyes Open, completing my collection again :negative:

I got Red Eyes Open from the banner too. And Reindeer Ish. :shepface:

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Pigbuster posted:

I got Red Eyes Open from the banner too. And Reindeer Ish. :shepface:

I got Kurokumo Rodion from the Rose Rodion banner so I definitely feel your pain there

Oh well i'm gonna shard her because I have no impulse control and she's needed a solid ID like this, I deifnitely won't pull her a week later and cry

Ayndin
Mar 13, 2010

Pigbuster posted:

Oh wow I knew that extractions could start off with a gold orb to show they have a 000, and that the orb could start red then turn gold to have a surprise 000, but I just had red portals turn gold on me. Gotta admit I will always get a kick out of that kind of bait and switch, same feeling as FFXIV treasure maps.

I had a grey portal go gold once, which was extra weird but a nice turnaround on an otherwise min roll.

I did end up finally getting Liu Mersault from this banner and cleared out all the s1 EGOs, so not a total loss.

posadas
Jan 28, 2021
All this time I thought it was a visual bug that sometimes the screen will look like the brightness slider was turned up all the way when I get a 000. I guess like a slot machine, it makes the user feel like the outcome was determined by something other than cold, hard RNG.

Pulled Liu Ishmael after 70 pulls, which I guess is what you would expect with a 1.45% chance. Interesting that many are expecting that she'll be the lynchpin of a Liu team, given that her uptying story shows that unusually for the Liu, she's quite the introvert

BisbyWorl
Jan 12, 2019

Knowledge is pain plus observation.


Ayndin posted:

Popped my guaranteed s2 000 ticket too, which gave 3 000 (Rosespanner Rodion, new Sunshower Heathcliff, new K Corp Hong Lu). I’ll probably just use the dispenser, I’m already sitting on like 700 boxes.

You did kinda screw yourself there, since Liu Ish is general pool, not S2.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
What branch of the skill tree for the Mirror of Mirrors are you working on first? I got every node from each branch first, but I'm probably going to do the Cost one first so I can field better teams from moment 1. After that, I think Offense Levels will help the most with, you know, actually winning clashes. But who knows, might get the healing/HP one.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Onehandclapping posted:

I'm messing around with a full burn team led by Lishmael and it's owning incredibly hard.

Just a warning: the talisman boss spreads any Burn it gets to your party.


Junpei posted:

What branch of the skill tree for the Mirror of Mirrors are you working on first? I got every node from each branch first, but I'm probably going to do the Cost one first so I can field better teams from moment 1. After that, I think Offense Levels will help the most with, you know, actually winning clashes. But who knows, might get the healing/HP one.

I'm going for the Cost+50 in upper right first, then after that, lower left, so I can get +5 SP on event. That'll help bootstrap quickly in the first floor.

Ariamaki
Jun 30, 2011

"I'm the most powerful
search engine in the world!"
-- The GoogleProg

Junpei posted:

What branch of the skill tree for the Mirror of Mirrors are you working on first? I got every node from each branch first, but I'm probably going to do the Cost one first so I can field better teams from moment 1. After that, I think Offense Levels will help the most with, you know, actually winning clashes. But who knows, might get the healing/HP one.

I am diving for the +Cost, then beelining damage line to the capstone probably, followed by the rest of the resources line. HOPEFULLY I can double-back from the left capstone to finish out the health line without ever taking the +SP node, just to make using low-SP IDs more consistent. If not, at least for N Clair in specific it'd probably help keep him from Souping.

BisbyWorl
Jan 12, 2019

Knowledge is pain plus observation.


Junpei posted:

What branch of the skill tree for the Mirror of Mirrors are you working on first? I got every node from each branch first, but I'm probably going to do the Cost one first so I can field better teams from moment 1. After that, I think Offense Levels will help the most with, you know, actually winning clashes. But who knows, might get the healing/HP one.

I've already grabbed all the cost boosters, and now I'm working towards the 10% heal to let me skip grabbing a healing gift mid-run.

RandomReader
Nov 17, 2021

Ariamaki posted:

I am diving for the +Cost, then beelining damage line to the capstone probably, followed by the rest of the resources line. HOPEFULLY I can double-back from the left capstone to finish out the health line without ever taking the +SP node, just to make using low-SP IDs more consistent. If not, at least for N Clair in specific it'd probably help keep him from Souping.

Nope, you can't buy the capstone until you buy both previous nodes, on the top and bottom.

Ariamaki
Jun 30, 2011

"I'm the most powerful
search engine in the world!"
-- The GoogleProg

RandomReader posted:

Nope, you can't buy the capstone until you buy both previous nodes, on the top and bottom.

Aaah dang: Oh well, small loss.

BIG GAIN though is that Liu Ishmael is indeed perfect and wonderful and has INSANE numbers. Her coins would already be perfectly fine (a 4-10 first? Sure! 4-16 mid is great, and 3-15 final is solid) but then she's got Plus Coin Boost as a self-buff and her first two coins both have (easily-met) conditional + Coin Power. That built-in power buff alone turns 4-10 into a much meaner 4-12 and the 4-16 Amoral Enactment alike into a savage 4-19, and if you get the Boost off her final coin first those are even sillier capping out at 14 and 21 respectively. Speaking of big numbers, Burn, and clashing like a king? She works great with NClair as well as the other Liu. She applies plenty of Count and works very well with her teammates, even if in-lore she's a little more separated.

It's very interesting seeing how a 1v1 rushdown specialist, in the Association of pitched war, is seen not as a vanguard but as a weird outlier. She still leads the charge just as well with or without their approval.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

Ariamaki posted:

Aaah dang: Oh well, small loss.

BIG GAIN though is that Liu Ishmael is indeed perfect and wonderful and has INSANE numbers. Her coins would already be perfectly fine (a 4-10 first? Sure! 4-16 mid is great, and 3-15 final is solid) but then she's got Plus Coin Boost as a self-buff and her first two coins both have (easily-met) conditional + Coin Power. That built-in power buff alone turns 4-10 into a much meaner 4-12 and the 4-16 Amoral Enactment alike into a savage 4-19, and if you get the Boost off her final coin first those are even sillier capping out at 14 and 21 respectively. Speaking of big numbers, Burn, and clashing like a king? She works great with NClair as well as the other Liu. She applies plenty of Count and works very well with her teammates, even if in-lore she's a little more separated.

It's very interesting seeing how a 1v1 rushdown specialist, in the Association of pitched war, is seen not as a vanguard but as a weird outlier. She still leads the charge just as well with or without their approval.
She also inflicts a fuckton of Burn if you get Ardor Blossom Star's passive up (especially vs a single target), something like 11 stacks with 2 count on her second skill alone.

TheNabster
Apr 26, 2014

"Today I will cause problems on purpose"
I did try the Liu team in Mirror Dungeon with Liushmael and it did super well but I did notice the clashes were becoming a bit dicey around Floor 5

I have a sneaking suspicion this is partially why PM is going back to the drawing board on the Hard Mode Dungeon's difficulty scaling because if it starts ramping up from Floor 2 then a lot of the earlier IDs are probably getting blown out in clashes unless they spam EGOs.

Ayndin
Mar 13, 2010

BisbyWorl posted:

You did kinda screw yourself there, since Liu Ish is general pool, not S2.

Oh, dang. Still, got two new IDs from it so that’s a decent box savings. Probably would have been smarter to wait to use it until the next event IDs, but I wasn’t being smart at the time.

Lurks With Wolves
Jan 14, 2013

At least I don't dance with them, right?

TheNabster posted:

I did try the Liu team in Mirror Dungeon with Liushmael and it did super well but I did notice the clashes were becoming a bit dicey around Floor 5

I have a sneaking suspicion this is partially why PM is going back to the drawing board on the Hard Mode Dungeon's difficulty scaling because if it starts ramping up from Floor 2 then a lot of the earlier IDs are probably getting blown out in clashes unless they spam EGOs.

Yeah, this seems like the main thing they'd have a problem with. Most IDs' numbers are a bit iffy against high clash numbers, it's just hard to notice because you usually don't use them by the time you reach hard content. But when you combine the Hard mirror dungeon encouraging you to use more 1-2* IDs and boosting coin power earlier, it could easily become a real slog. So I assume they're spending the extra time to make it not a slog when you bring units like Mariachi Sinclair in.

Theantero
Nov 6, 2011

...We danced the Mamushka while Nero fiddled, we danced the Mamushka at Waterloo. We danced the Mamushka for Jack the Ripper, and now, Fester Addams, this Mamushka is for you....
Shard Boxed me the Liu Ishmael and took the Burn team for an MD spin. Had So That No One Will Cry as MD Boss and had forgotten about its passives which caused like 4 of my guys to get 99 Burn and immediately explode. 10/10 would Limb again.

Still won, but I thought that was pretty funny :v:

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Junpei posted:

So, you know people who really enjoyed Dark Flame in Ruina?

There's a gift in the new Mirror Dungeon-I bought it in a shop, not sure if it's somehow shop-exclusive or if there's an event for it-that makes it so that every resistance of every enemy are turned into Fatal. Across the board. Both damage type and Sin.

I killed Brazen Bull in a single turn with it.

I just got it as my opening gift on this MD run when trying to test out Team Liu

it's not really a good test anymore but it's funny to watch the game turn into Double Dragon as everything gets punched to death

e: anyway Liu ish review:

pros: +Decent damage, increases to great with burn
+Bucking Liu tradition, can actually clash
+Good coins
+Synergizes very well with her burn EGOs, especially Ardor Blossom Star
+Fairly durable

cons: - Can't fulfill her own boost requirements with one attack per turn, she needs another source of burn from somewhere whether that's going -1 Sinner for another attack, N Sinclair or another Liu ID.
-Her clashing is good but not stellar without Burn
-Plus Coin Boost effect relies on the final hit of skill 3 going off and killing, which is not something you're going to be able to do on purpose. It has a unique animation for doing so though
- lol counter

Overall she's just Good but becomes better and better the more sources of burn there are.

Yinlock fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jul 6, 2023

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

couple more on the New Abno List while i'm still keeping track-

3 spooky skeleton skulls, of which the Laughing Skull is doing Morte from Planescape: Torment's exact avatar pose

Funeral Of Unemployed Butterflies

Forsaken Murderer with an Enk box for a head

Lunatic 0verlord
Apr 9, 2022

Yinlock posted:

I just got it as my opening gift on this MD run when trying to test out Team Liu

it's not really a good test anymore but it's funny to watch the game turn into Double Dragon as everything gets punched to death

e: anyway Liu ish review:

pros: +Decent damage, increases to great with burn
+Bucking Liu tradition, can actually clash
+Good coins
+Synergizes very well with her burn EGOs, especially Ardor Blossom Star
+Fairly durable

cons: - Can't fulfill her own boost requirements with one attack per turn, she needs another source of burn from somewhere whether that's going -1 Sinner for another attack, N Sinclair or another Liu ID.
-Her clashing is good but not stellar without Burn
-Plus Coin Boost effect relies on the final hit of skill 3 going off and killing, which is not something you're going to be able to do on purpose. It has a unique animation for doing so though
- lol counter

Overall she's just Good but becomes better and better the more sources of burn there are.

Which means that she works well with Burn Gifts.

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Marluxia
May 8, 2008


Yinlock posted:

couple more on the New Abno List while i'm still keeping track-

3 spooky skeleton skulls, of which the Laughing Skull is doing Morte from Planescape: Torment's exact avatar pose

Funeral Of Unemployed Butterflies

Forsaken Murderer with an Enk box for a head


The best part about the Forsaken Murderer aberration is that it's implied to be a former L Corp employee who survived their branch burial by dunking their head in one of those Enk boxes. I'm really liking those former Corp employee abnormalities, the W Corp one was awful too.

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