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aBagorn posted:it's possible to make observations about religion without making GBS threads on it generally, for the sake of religious goons who might be reading For example as Subodh Varma wrote about Vedic materialism in India, or Fred Clark wrote about the perils of Biblical literalism, or as Sea of Faith promotes about Liturgy as more like beautiful art or literature than matter of fact there are many paths of religion that don't involve rejecting reason and learning (most are big fans of it) that are far more interesting than some dude clapping his hands and then stuff exists. Jerry Bergman Ph.D.* would call all of those people 'atheists' though, because he's a young earth creationist and therefore falls straight into the inelastic worldview that replaces philosophy and beauty and faith with the type of uncritical beliefs and dickbag behaviors that make me doubt the sincerity of his commitment to 'thought diversity'. *from Columbia Pacific University, a non-accredited correspondence-school that was court ordered to cease operations in 1999 lmao
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To each their own; I just can't fathom seeing the horrible poo poo that happens in our garbage world and thinking "yes, there is a loving creator watching over us." But that's not every religion nor every religious philosophy. There's no need to be reductive about it.
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I don't think that kind of YEC logic has ever been about a loving creator, it's always been about preserving what they see as the 'correct' power hierarchy as a natural order. That's why it goes hand in hand with Qanon, sectarian violence, segregation, etc. Or when arch-atheists like Big Brain Dick Dorkass ends up using creationist logic to justify his transphobia. 
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God, I'm so happy my New Atheist phase flared up and died down within about a year back in 2007. Like, not only for myself because I ended up being a fairly well-rounded non-dipshit, but it would have absolutely broken my brain to see Dawkins say "hrm, they've got a point though" while quoting the same exact people pushing Creationism in schools, just about gender instead of that whole business.
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Guavanaut posted:Or when arch-atheists like Big Brain Dick Dorkass ends up using creationist logic to justify his transphobia. The best thing is when they calmly, rationally reinvent religion and arrive at simulation theory.
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I'm not going to accept Mitchell Hooper as a strongman because he wasn't always that big.
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the_steve posted:Wow. It's circular logic for them. They don't accept other people can be trans, so from there project that onto trans people by simply assuming they don't accept who they are either. It's a way to blame their unacceptance on their targets ie victim blaming.
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Panfilo posted:It's circular logic for them. They don't accept other people can be trans, so from there project that onto trans people by simply assuming they don't accept who they are either. It's a way to blame their unacceptance on their targets ie victim blaming. It's also even stupider if you just make it about being gay and not even necessarily trans. Like, I know several people who "didn't accept themselves for who they were" because they struggled with being gay or bisexual, myself included. And society sure wasn't lending a hand in that regard during the heyday of AIDS jokes, comedians like Eddie Murphy, Dice and Sam Kinison and when just being gay was a punchline in and of itself. Why didn't we just accept ourselves while being called f*****s who deserved to die for having sex?
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It's America's birthday, so you know what that means!quote:“Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well-educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: freedom is never free! We thank these early patriots, as well as those patriots now fighting to KEEP our freedom! I hope you will show your support by sending this to as many people as you can, please. It's time we get the word out that patriotism is NOT a sin, and the Fourth of July has more MEANING to it than beer, fireworks, hot dogs, and picnics.”
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quote:as well as those patriots now fighting to KEEP our freedom!  Seems particularly out of step this year in the wake of Dobbs and the Affirmative Action and student loans decisions from SCrOTUS.
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Those noble plantation workers, who risked the loss of their "uncompensated workforce" for a chance to lower taxes.
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Panfilo posted:It's America's birthday, so you know what that means! Republicans in my area seem to be turning it into their own red and white blue version of Halloween, if anecdotal evidence means anything.
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Panfilo posted:It's America's birthday, so you know what that means! This is Nic Cage from National Treasure, right?
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quote:I get tired of Democrats claiming to be on the “right side of history” when both their past and their present are so utterly sordid and destructive. So, if you are a Democrat, let me tell you about MY side of history and YOUR side of history.
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Panfilo posted:My side of history is the Sistine Chapel and Monet’s water lilies. Your side of history is an inverted crucifix in a bottle of urine. what
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I'm guessing they mean Piss Christ? Even though it's... nothing like that, done by a Christian artist, and actually reverent of its subject matter? It's a remarkably moving image, I was not expecting that when I finally saw it after hearing people whine about it my whole life.
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There's a lot of hate about that but claiming Loving as "your side" can gently caress right off
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These go out of date quicker and quicker, he's still claiming Jonas Salk, one of history's greatest monsters.
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Otoh, pairing him with Thomas Edison makes perfect sense.
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VitalSigns posted:These go out of date quicker and quicker, he's still claiming Jonas Salk, one of history's greatest monsters. The polio vaccine guy? What did he do, did I miss something?
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Starts off absolutely insufferable and gets worse the longer it goes on. But lmao especially at quote:My side of history is the rockets’ red glare Yeah I don't think that makes you look quite like you think it makes you look, champ.
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After The War posted:I'm guessing they mean Piss Christ? Even though it's... nothing like that, done by a Christian artist, and actually reverent of its subject matter? It's a remarkably moving image, I was not expecting that when I finally saw it after hearing people whine about it my whole life. didnt Glen Beck piss in a jar with an Obama toy(bobble head?) and try to sell it for money? also naming artists from different centuries iirc. (i've recently looked through a great childrens art book that does a pink frosted donut in various styles and it does a decent job of baby's first art histroy lesson)
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InsertPotPun posted:famous republican icon mel brooks They keep trying to claim him because Blazing Saddles had people saying the N-word in it. Like, that's the entirety of it. Memes floating around about how "it couldn't be made today" and "everyone's too afraid of offense," etc. They don't understand anything about what it was in service to. Or anything else about the movie. Also it almost wasn't made back then because the suits were goddamn terrified of giving offense with how it used the N-word. The biggest resistance to making it now would be fear of offending the chuds, who'd pitch a giant hissy fit because it's a movie made by a Jewish man where a Black man and another Jewish man manage to regularly outsmart all the racist idiots and the opportunistic white capitalist who's happy to exploit racism to make a buck even if he doesn't openly demonstrate much personal prejudice.
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disposablewords posted:Also it almost wasn't made back then because the suits were goddamn terrified of giving offense with how it used the N-word. The biggest resistance to making it now would be fear of offending the chuds, who'd pitch a giant hissy fit because it's a movie made by a Jewish man where a Black man and another Jewish man manage to regularly outsmart all the racist idiots and the opportunistic white capitalist who's happy to exploit racism to make a buck even if he doesn't openly demonstrate much personal prejudice. It also almost didn't get made back then, because people were concerned about Hitler jokes being in bad taste.
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A big part of what worried the suits was the movie absolutely pissing all over the beloved tropes of the Western genre. Which it did so effectively that it all but killed the idealized white-hat black-hat cowboy hero.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:A big part of what worried the suits was the movie absolutely pissing all over the beloved tropes of the Western genre. Which it did so effectively that it all but killed the idealized white-hat black-hat cowboy hero. Yeah, I don't think any single work has ever so thoroughly and fundamentally cored an entire genre so near and dear to conservative romanticism than Blazing Saddles did to the classic western. You can almost divide the whole genre into before and after (and I've seen critics who do that.) There have been genre parodies more vicious in various media, but anything that had the same sort of public resonance? I can't think of anything.
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Killer robot posted:Yeah, I don't think any single work has ever so thoroughly and fundamentally cored an entire genre so near and dear to conservative romanticism than Blazing Saddles did to the classic western. You can almost divide the whole genre into before and after (and I've seen critics who do that.) There have been genre parodies more vicious in various media, but anything that had the same sort of public resonance? I can't think of anything. Austin Powers?
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InsertPotPun posted:famous republican icon mel brooks Right up there with MLK Jr.
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Killer robot posted:Yeah, I don't think any single work has ever so thoroughly and fundamentally cored an entire genre so near and dear to conservative romanticism than Blazing Saddles did to the classic western. You can almost divide the whole genre into before and after (and I've seen critics who do that.) There have been genre parodies more vicious in various media, but anything that had the same sort of public resonance? I can't think of anything.
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Panfilo posted:My side of history is American men and women disabled by an IED. Your side of history is American men and women disabled by anxiety. This part's pretty good/confusing.
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Libra posted:This part's pretty good/confusing. My side is war heroes, your side is limp wristed pansies who have anxiety, which doesn't exist or is not seen as a legitimate thing by me. Panfilo posted:I think the implication is that being disabled from an explosion is more understandable to the author than being disabled by mental illness, because it is physical and tangible to him. Yeah, that. "My team actually has something to be disabled about."
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the_steve posted:My side is war heroes, your side is limp wristed pansies who have anxiety, which doesn't exist or is not seen as a legitimate thing by me. Also, Boomers think they won World War II.
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