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I actually took bowling as a gym elective senior year lol
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:
Devil's advocate here, hi! WCW deserves a bit of slack making Bret heel after his debut because his most popular and most recent work in WWF prior to the screwjob was as a heel. They were probably banking on residue heat from his anti-America phase, which was red hot when it happened. So the initial idea has some merit, it's just everything, every single thing, about the execution and further planning that they hosed up.
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Jul 1, 2023 11:18
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Keep Bret as a heel, sure, but having him become the 7,384th member of the nWo*, nah *twice! They did this twice!
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Jul 1, 2023 15:28
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Also as good as that 97 run was, banking on Bret's heel work after being screwed over is a dumb as hell idea when he's got the sympathy of almost everyone for what happened. No amount of planning has this make sense outside of usual politics.
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Jul 1, 2023 15:33
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:When Owen died, they once again had the world's easiest undeserved layup, but because Bret was a heel in their plans and THOSE PLANS WILL NOT BE CHANGED, they once again kept him off TV intentionally. Nah, this one isn't at WCW's feet. Bret had groin surgery in April and was supposed to be out a couple of months, and when Owen died, he extended his absence to deal with that. Bischoff sat down with him in June to get a feel for where he was and to invite him to speak on Nitro if he felt up to it (which he did), but Bret stayed away from wrestling until he felt OK coming back.
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Jul 1, 2023 16:06
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Rafts aside, WCW's was always weak compared to WWF, am I right?
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Jul 1, 2023 16:12
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When did Bret have to retire (or take an extended leave) due to his insane amount of concussions?
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Jul 1, 2023 17:52
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haljordan posted:When did Bret have to retire (or take an extended leave) due to his insane amount of concussions? When Goldberg botched that mule kicked to his head in 2000, it effectively ended his career.
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Jul 1, 2023 18:02
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haljordan posted:When did Bret have to retire (or take an extended leave) due to his insane amount of concussions? October 2000-ish, I think? About a year after the previous Starrcade with Goldberg.
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Jul 1, 2023 18:04
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Goldberg kicked him in the head in December 1999 but he kept wrestling until January 10, 2000.
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Jul 1, 2023 18:05
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disaster pastor posted:Goldberg kicked him in the head in December 1999 but he kept wrestling until January 10, 2000. Yeah that was when his doctor figured out what was happening and told him he couldn't even get on a plane (amongst many other restrictions), right?
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Jul 1, 2023 18:18
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Someone should have ordered Goldberg to stop doing martial arts kicks, he never didn't botch them
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Halloween Jack posted:Someone should have ordered Goldberg to stop doing martial arts kicks, he never didn't botch them His kicks ruled.
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Jul 1, 2023 21:04
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D.N. Nation posted:Keep Bret as a heel, sure, but having him become the 7,384th member of the nWo*, nah And remember, like Cena would do after him, Bret never, (to my knowledge), put on the nWo shirt.
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Jul 2, 2023 01:06
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Did he even get Hogan a glass of water
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BrigadierSensible posted:And remember, like Cena would do after him, Bret never, (to my knowledge), put on the nWo shirt. Bret definitely wore the nWo shirt, he was the leader of the nWo! He wore a Hogan t-shirt even more often.
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MassRafTer posted:Bret definitely wore the nWo shirt, he was the leader of the nWo! Sorry. I remember him standing out in the sea of black and white by being in his wrestling gear. But, as is most likely the case, I am often wrong about these things.
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Jul 2, 2023 01:18
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Bret was screwed right out of the gate in WCW, Hogan making Nick Patrick not do a fast count immediately made Bret look like a tool when he came out to restart the match. It only went downhill from there.
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Jul 2, 2023 02:02
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MrBling posted:new Hogan raft dropped This is where the big balls play
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Look at the adjective: balls
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Halloween Jack posted:Someone should have ordered Goldberg to stop doing martial arts kicks, he never didn't botch them Sure, but soon you'd have to order him to stop doing other things he botches, and where would that leave him? Goldberg concussed himself on the way to the ring.
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Jul 2, 2023 11:33
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syzpid posted:Bret was screwed right out of the gate in WCW, Hogan making Nick Patrick not do a fast count immediately made Bret look like a tool when he came out to restart the match. It only went downhill from there. I love how the blame for that fell on... like everybody but Hogan who absolutely never used his creative control, brother.
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Jul 2, 2023 14:47
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disaster pastor posted:Nah, this one isn't at WCW's feet. Bret had groin surgery in April and was supposed to be out a couple of months, and when Owen died, he extended his absence to deal with that. Bischoff sat down with him in June to get a feel for where he was and to invite him to speak on Nitro if he felt up to it (which he did), but Bret stayed away from wrestling until he felt OK coming back. OK I'll take the L on that one. I was relying on the Death of WCW (which I re-read recently) and I guess that was one of the things they just got wrong in the book. E: my own memories from WCW from that time, as in the TV shows, are extremely vague. I kind of remember the Owen tribute match Bret did with Benoit, but other than that it's just individual moments and vibes. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jul 2, 2023 |
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Jul 2, 2023 16:21
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:OK I'll take the L on that one. I was relying on the Death of WCW (which I re-read recently) and I guess that was one of the things they just got wrong in the book. Death of WCW doesn't get it wrong. quote:Bret disappeared from TV for a while, in part because he had to undergo groin surgery that would keep him on the shelf for several months. Ultimately, nothing became of the angle, but for once, Bret’s absence wasn’t WCW’s fault, and this time, the reasons behind it were devastatingly tragic. It is a fairly common mistaken belief, though, and the book's attitude toward WCW stupidity makes it very easy to think it's the source of that belief.
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Jul 2, 2023 18:53
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disaster pastor posted:Death of WCW doesn't get it wrong. Well poo poo, I guess this is just all on me. Double L Jones over here.
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edogawa rando posted:This is where the big balls play A quick ebay search shows a number of 1999 bowling balls. Someone is selling an NWO Wolfpack Kevin Nash one that has 0 bids at $25 if anyone really wants one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1259932900...ABk9SR7jV8f2iYg There's a part of me that really wishes I knew about that stuff back then, but finding out about it nearly 25 years later is so much funnier.
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If you try to select the Kevin Nash bowling ball it says "Don't pick me!"
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probably discussed at some point in this thread but these are the Kevin Nash title runs in WCW: - Beats Goldberg via Scott Hall cattle prod at Starrcade '98, drops belt in FPOD a week later - Awards self title on Thunder as WCW Commissioner during nWo 2000 run, loses it the same night to Sid - Beats Jeff Jarrett and Scott Steiner on Thunder in spring 2000, gives belt to Ric Flair to troll Vince Russo the next Nitro - Beats Booker T via Russo swerrrrrve on Nitro in summer 2000, loses in 9-minute cell match to Booker T on the next PPV Woof.
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D.N. Nation posted:probably discussed at some point in this thread but these are the Kevin Nash title runs in WCW: Kevin Nash. Never drew a sweat, smashed 6000 hearts
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Come to think of it, what even was the last good title reign in WCW? Steiner's is a bit blurry to me, but those of Nash/Booker/Jarrett were all terrible.
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I remember Steiner's being pretty great because he was Scott Steiner circa 2000 and he didn't give a single hot gently caress. It's also one of only two reigns post-1997 to go over 100 days (the other is Goldberg). So yeah, I think that big Goldberg run might be the last time the world title was in a good place (Scott Steiner's greatness notwithstanding) and that even that poo poo ended with the cattle prod spot.
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Defiance Industries posted:So yeah, I think that big Goldberg run might be the last time the world title was in a good place (Scott Steiner's greatness notwithstanding) and that even that poo poo ended with the cattle prod spot. And Goldberg being the CM Punk to Hogan's John Cena, being a second fiddle world champ.
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Jul 6, 2023 13:01
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Steiner's run is great because it's 2000 Scott Steiner, but the big issue is that the company was on its last legs and their idea was for him to destroy every face and send them packing so by the end he and the heel group are feuding with, like, Ernest Miller.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Come to think of it, what even was the last good title reign in WCW? Steiner's is a bit blurry to me, but those of Nash/Booker/Jarrett were all terrible. Good in what sense. Steiner's is really bad because the matches until DDP suck and by January the storyline is wrapped up in the horrible Magnificent Seven stuff. He says some funny things sometimes and presents himself as a big deal. The last guy who really feels like a champion and has a reign really worth talking about is Goldberg. But his reign isn't the focus of the company for most of it! The last guy who has a reign of good matches and feuds you care about is... uh... Ric Flair maybe in 1994? But Goldberg and Hogan are both compelling champions.
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What guys did WCW use better than WWE? I would say: - Sting - Goldberg - Vader - Scott Steiner - Kevin Nash - Scott Hall - Kidman - Raven - Dean Malenko - DDP - Perry Saturn - Marc Mero - Lance Storm - Ultimo Dragon - Juventud Guerrera - Chavo Guerrero - Chris Kanyon - Paul Wight - Ricky Steamboat Debatable - Ric Flair - Booker T - Ron Simmons - Sid - Meng Who am I missing?
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I feel like both companies used Paul Wight the same (occasionally well but typically very poorly), but WCW had him for less time. Also I think that Hall is debatable. Yeah, I know he was the first guy to show up for the NWO, but then Nash showed up and he was made second fiddle. Then Hogan joined and he was third fiddle. And yeah, Razor Ramon never got to be WWF champion, but he was booked pretty consistently as a featured guy who was over and did cool moves. WCW gave him the NWO angle but they also gave us Drunk Scott Hall. Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jul 7, 2023 |
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CopywrightMMXI posted:What guys did WCW use better than WWE? Dusty Rhodes, Barry Windham, 2 Cold Scorpio
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Defiance Industries posted:I feel like both companies used Paul Wight the same (occasionally well but typically very poorly), but WCW had him for less time. Good point about Hall, and I did have Wight on the debatable list originally but then I just felt that his first year or so in WCW gave them the edge.
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