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Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

mllaneza posted:

That's a great book in a great series, totally worth reading the whole thing. Amusingly, the first book in the series started out as a Star Trek fanfic. Now she's got more Hugos than Heinlein.

It really is a very fun series. Military Sci-fi meets A Comedy of Errors and never having 45 pages of weapon descriptions.

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Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Thomamelas posted:

It really is a very fun series. Military Sci-fi meets A Comedy of Errors and never having 45 pages of weapon descriptions.

Oh boy is it time to take a break during a tense starship battle to ramble for several pages about a weapon system, only to end the long weapon description with "If only either side had this weapon..."

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Speaking of him, Pratchett would turn that into such a killer punchline.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I'd be surprised if many authors didn't get their start writing fanfic. Back in the day it wasn't like there was much of a distinction in pre-copyright times, anyway. Also I feel people forget how much of a sense of humour Star Trek had.

8one6 posted:

I wouldn't hold It's Pat against anyone who worked on it (except maybe for Lorne Michaels). It's an SNL film based on a sketch from the era where SNL writers managed about half a good joke a week so anything that did get a laugh was run into the ground.

I'm not saying It's Pat has a good joke at its core (or even half of one) but I am saying that it won the coin flip between it and the Makin' Copies guy movie.

I do wonder how many people at this point have literally only heard of SNL from the joke about their Gordy's Home sketch in Nope.

bewilderment
Nov 22, 2007
man what



Ghost Leviathan posted:

I do wonder how many people at this point have literally only heard of SNL from the joke about their Gordy's Home sketch in Nope.

Every now and then a sketch of theirs on YouTube gets reshared, it's not that unknown outside the USA. Presumably it's the good ones that get uploaded, like Meet Your Future Wife and Black Jeopardy, and not the duds.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


There's an official SNL yt channel that posts classic sketches but some of them aren't very good. But like most things SNL it's down to personal taste.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
SNL could really benefit from being available on streaming but I think there are a bunch of issues with that related to the music. Though really I would just love an archive of those musical performances.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The funniest thing snl did this century was their pitch-perfect recreation of the 70s-era barely pornographic porn on late-night 80s Cinemax:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg7I-fVLm7I

The over-literal just-barely-wrong translation, the weird pace of the dubbing, the color-palette, the soft focus: it’s literally just a reconstruction of the past on the level of the WNUF Halloween Special. The only thing out of place is a 90s Cinemax bumper.

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Call me basic but Star Wars Undercover Boss still makes me laugh (though 90% of it is because Adam Driver loving nails it):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOSCASqLsE

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPpcfH_HHH8

Ana Gasteyer, Molly Shannon, and Alec Baldwin doing a perfect send up of NPR in the 90's.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Thomamelas posted:

Ana Gasteyer, Molly Shannon, and Alec Baldwin doing a perfect send up of NPR in the 90's.

Those skits were consistently funny, but it's hard to wrong with four minutes of sweaty balls innuendo.

MokBa
Jun 8, 2006

If you see something suspicious, bomb it!

SNL has some of the most talented writers and actors in the business working on it. But the nature of the show means it's a miracle that they ever manage the occasionally good skit. It was developed during a time and place when everyone was on a lot of cocaine, and I'm not sure it actually works without amphetamines. (Though John Mulaney recently showed that it isn't entirely an issue of the past.) You just can't produce that amount of content in that short a period while having to follow a million rules to appease sponsors and Lorne Michaels' friends and expect anything more than what we get.

It's no wonder that the pre-recorded skits are by far the funniest and most popular stuff the show has produced in the last 20 years. They actually let people like Lonely Island and Kyle Mooney/Beck Bennett create things in their own style with time to work on it. Meanwhile, 30 Rock and I Think You Should Leave are pound for pound two of the funniest shows ever created. To me, SNL is just a training ground for decent creators, but it's really dire and I straight up can't make it through an episode anymore.

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Oct 30, 2009

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jazzyjay
Sep 11, 2003

PULL OVER
Yeah I like the Beck/Kyle's weird little movies and the pre recorded stuff and the popular stuff on YouTube so tried watching the actual show. Yeeesh.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

MokBa posted:

SNL has some of the most talented writers and actors in the business working on it. But the nature of the show means it's a miracle that they ever manage the occasionally good skit. It was developed during a time and place when everyone was on a lot of cocaine, and I'm not sure it actually works without amphetamines. (Though John Mulaney recently showed that it isn't entirely an issue of the past.) You just can't produce that amount of content in that short a period while having to follow a million rules to appease sponsors and Lorne Michaels' friends and expect anything more than what we get.

It's no wonder that the pre-recorded skits are by far the funniest and most popular stuff the show has produced in the last 20 years. They actually let people like Lonely Island and Kyle Mooney/Beck Bennett create things in their own style with time to work on it. Meanwhile, 30 Rock and I Think You Should Leave are pound for pound two of the funniest shows ever created. To me, SNL is just a training ground for decent creators, but it's really dire and I straight up can't make it through an episode anymore.

The Other Two is also an incredibly funny show created by SNL writers that sadly just ended its run.

MokBa
Jun 8, 2006

If you see something suspicious, bomb it!

Henchman of Santa posted:

The Other Two is also an incredibly funny show created by SNL writers that sadly just ended its run.

Oh yeah lol I can't believe I didn't bring it up. The new season has been my favorite comedy of the year. Too bad the showrunners brought over Lorne's toxic environment!

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

The rule of thumb is apparently that if it's a satire, especially of the entertainment industry, then it's being run by people who embody the worst elements of that industry.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.
Captain Picard sexy cakes sketch.

Chrpno
Apr 17, 2006

That Will Ferrell sketch where they're music teachers singing operatic versions of rock songs and saying "hot mic"

That Fred Armisen one where they're an aging punk hardcore band at a modern wedding and they do the Suicidal Tendencies bit in the middle

both fun and good

RenegadeStyle1
Jun 7, 2005

Baby Come Back
I think for you to make good comedy you have to be a bit of an iconoclast and SNL is the definition of an institution in pop culture at this point so I'm not really sure it's possible for SNL to be good.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Haunted Elevator was originally good, before it became a meme.

History of Punk and Chucky Lee Bird were good.

MokBa
Jun 8, 2006

If you see something suspicious, bomb it!

Chrpno posted:

That Fred Armisen one where they're an aging punk hardcore band at a modern wedding and they do the Suicidal Tendencies bit in the middle

Probably my favorite skit of the last decade is when Fred Armisen hosted in 2016 (?) and the episode ended with like the entire cast as a large 70s band just playing a silly song. It was barely a parody of the era but we were high as poo poo, and it was the hardest the show ever made me laugh.

The only recent skit I've seen that I genuinely loved was the Mario Kart/Last of Us parody. But a lot of that I think was just the novelty of seeing such specific references from my childhood.

hallo spacedog
Apr 3, 2007

this chaos is killing me
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David S Pumpkins makes me laugh a lot but I can also admit it's extremely stupid at the same time

Paper Tiger
Jun 17, 2007

🖨️🐯torn apart by idle hands

Well if we're talking about sketches from when Fred Armisen hosted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie6LpKOJVf0

One of my favorites, partially due to the long build-up.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

does SNL still do digital shorts? cause those used to be by far the most popular videos they'd come up with

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Haunted Elevator was originally good, before it became a meme.

possibly hot take, but there was literally one amusing moment in that sketch and it was when it was revealed david pumpkins had a middle name

edit: wait, upon further contemplation, let me amend that to two amusing moments, with the other being when pumpkins asked "any questions?"

Paper Tiger posted:

Well if we're talking about sketches from when Fred Armisen hosted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie6LpKOJVf0

One of my favorites, partially due to the long build-up.

glad someone else thought of this one :hfive:

Mr Interweb has a new favorite as of 02:15 on Jul 9, 2023

rodbeard
Jul 21, 2005

If we're talking about Fred Armisen on SNL, he sure did a lot of blackface.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

RenegadeStyle1 posted:

I think for you to make good comedy you have to be a bit of an iconoclast and SNL is the definition of an institution in pop culture at this point so I'm not really sure it's possible for SNL to be good.

Ah, like The Simpsons.

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008

Women's Circuit Bender Union Local 34



Peter Dinklage singing about space pants (and Gwen Stefani flubbing her line during the number) will live forever in my heart.

Besides that, I haven't cared about SNL since we'd occasionally watch it in college in the early 90's.

Kay Kessler
May 9, 2013

With snl it's at least interesting to learn which hosts have a knack for sketch comedy. Like yeah, everyone expects Bieber and Lohan to be awful, and it's no surprise that Steve Martin and the Monty Python guys turned out great. But then you get hosts like Seth Macfarlane, Justin Timberlake and Peyton Manning being surprise hits. While legendary comedians like Milton Berle, Bob Saget, and John C. Reilly were just awful.

a sexual elk
May 16, 2007

Anne Hathaway, Bruno mars and Emma stone could straight up be cast members

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




The Rock kills in his SNL appearances. After his first one I thought he might have a good career as an actor post-wrestling. After the second I was sure of it.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

mllaneza posted:

The Rock kills in his SNL appearances. After his first one I thought he might have a good career as an actor post-wrestling. After the second I was sure of it.

Considering his body of work, what's it like to be proven incorrect?

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The rocks had an incredibly successful career as an actor. He’s just not a good actor.

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I should bring back my rock avatar

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

oldpainless posted:

I should bring back my rock avatar

Just half.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Ah, like The Simpsons.

There is a bit of a parallels in that when SNL and The Simpsons came out they were so outside the norm of what had been on TV it made them iconoclastic. I also think SNL got a huge boost in the late 90s when Comedy Central used to play the one hour versions of the show and so all the weaker skits got cut, so people remember the better skits better. I mean the awful mid 90s stretch still shows through how bad things got but like youtube after it allowed people to see the best parts.

SNL is at its best, in my mind, when its a smaller cast of comedians who haven't hit the mainstream yet but have a bit of experience behind them.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Henchman of Santa posted:

SNL could really benefit from being available on streaming but I think there are a bunch of issues with that related to the music. Though really I would just love an archive of those musical performances.

Also all the blackface

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Mooseontheloose posted:

There is a bit of a parallels in that when SNL and The Simpsons came out they were so outside the norm of what had been on TV it made them iconoclastic. I also think SNL got a huge boost in the late 90s when Comedy Central used to play the one hour versions of the show and so all the weaker skits got cut, so people remember the better skits better. I mean the awful mid 90s stretch still shows through how bad things got but like youtube after it allowed people to see the best parts.

SNL is at its best, in my mind, when its a smaller cast of comedians who haven't hit the mainstream yet but have a bit of experience behind them.

Yeah this was a huge factor. The lag on new SNL episodes wasn't even very large you'd be seeing episodes from 1999 in 2001 on Comedy Central for a spell, and they'd trim it down to the best of that week. It wasn't amazing but it gave the impression the show is much stronger than it actually is.

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Apr 3, 2007

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I have to credit Comedy Central SNL reruns with getting me into David Bowie because I saw an episode with Tin Machine as the musical guest in the mid 90s after school one day lol

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Nieuw Amsterdam
Dec 1, 2006

Dignité. Toujours, dignité.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

He was a child star who ended up becoming difficult to work with. There's a good chance he went through some serious poo poo and that poo poo will will eventually be acknowledged

Every time I hear about a former child star or woman actor who is “very difficult to work with” or “nuts” I now wonder which Hollywood potentate abused them.

Gosh I wonder why this industry rife with hard drug abuse and unchecked sexual abuse has so many “crazy” people working in it.

I guess being an actor just leads to mental illness.

Certainly noting about having to let Harvey Weinstein gently caress you or let your co-workers rape you or let your narcissist parents steal all your money to keep your job has anything to do with it.

Amazing how producers and directors just zero in on the crazy kids EVERY SINGLE TIME, what are the odds?

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