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Missed the ever17/999/VLR/ZTD talk but we can all agree that the real crime is Remember11 never getting a followup.
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I'm playing this new Rain Code game, and so far it has followed in the footsteps of the Dangan Ronpa games in terms of being very entertaining but having some pretty goofy/contrived stuff in the details of the cases. In the prologue case, I very quickly solved the "core" mystery of the train car detaching and switching to the front, and thus both corpses being the same + knowing who the culprit was. But the stuff at the beginning of the "solution" where the culprit sets the infirmary he is in on fire and hides under a bed waiting for the protagonist to break in was extremely silly. I'm pretty sure that "laying under a bed in a small smoke-filled room" is not a very conducive situation to "breathing." I get that the timing was just supposed to be so good that the smoke was only there briefly before the protagonist put out the fire (and you could maybe argue that the smoke would rise at first and not go that low until the room as a whole got hotter), but still pretty goofy. Plus the fact that he would need to time it perfectly such that the room was so full of smoke that he could get under the bed without being seen. I still enjoyed the case overall, though. The train car gimmick was pretty good and well-explained. The shinigami lady is entertaining, at least with the Japanese dub. I'm curious to find out what the various big plot twists/gimmicks will be.
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apparently literally every store that sells video games in town didn't get their shipment of rain code lmao, so i guess i get to wait until it comes in. when that will be is a mystery
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Jul 7, 2023 04:30
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How meta
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Jul 7, 2023 04:47
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I hear u can buy things online nowadays
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The minigame stuff in Rain Code is exhausting, especially coming from Attorney of the Arcane where it's just presenting evidence in quick succession. Yes thank you I love to do a five minute combat sequence for every refutation I make, including cutscenes and loading screens. I know it has Danganronpa DNA but even in those the minigames were relatively fast paced and quick to do
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I'm thinking about playing higurashi but I'm a bit intimidated by how big it seems to be. I know the first chapter is free on steam, but are the chapters relatively self contained or is it literally just part 1 of a really long story? idk if my dumb brain will have the attention span to go through all of it it wouldn't be my first VN but would certainly be the longest and the first without some kind of gameplay element (played and enjoyed the first Danganronpa and the 2nd Utawarerumono. I do hope to play their sequels at some point too)
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Jul 8, 2023 19:32
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Part 1 of a really long story. No satisfying stopping point at end of p1. If you're nervous about length/commitment you can start with SteinsGate instead but Hig is a pretty good first.
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Jul 8, 2023 19:34
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Part 1 of a really long story. The gameplay element is you share your Pepe Silva conspiracy theories in the appropriate thread, while we go "hmm yes I understand everything". It's more compelling than you'd think and a good substitute for the flurry of online theorizing that followed each original release once it caught on.
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While it is a long story, its worth noting each chapter ends on "an ending" of sorts, so you can totally take a break between chapters. Also if you want to speculate/ramble, you can use the When They Cry Thread
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No Wave posted:Part 1 of a really long story. No satisfying stopping point at end of p1. If you're nervous about length/commitment you can start with SteinsGate instead but Hig is a pretty good first. I was considering Steins Gate too so decided to give that a go first. A little slow to start, but I'm enjoying it so far. At first I thought I was going to find Okabe an annoying MC but now I kind of love what an absurd dumbass he is
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stein's gate is a lot better than any of the ryukishi stuff imo, okarin's character arc is really good even though he starts out incredibly annoying I mean I think Umineko is fine, I do appreciate that it has some cool ideas and music and some really good scenes but I got some ways through at least episode 8 and still feel like it never overcame the incredibly tedious overwriting where scenes just went on forever and a lot of dialogue that just didn't work for me (though some of that could be translation stuff I dunno) I'll finish it at some point but I do feel like I at least played enough of it that those complaints aren't gonna go away for me I only watched my wife play through episode 1 of higurashi but the schoolhouse game playing scenes were enough for me to tap out Stefan Prodan fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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Jul 10, 2023 19:57
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I feel like the one person on these forums who preferred Higurashi over Umineko. 
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SG is great, glad you started it!Read After Burning posted:I feel like the one person on these forums who preferred Higurashi over Umineko. No Wave fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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Read After Burning posted:I feel like the one person on these forums who preferred Higurashi over Umineko.
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Jul 10, 2023 20:11
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by the way this is cool if you guys haven't seen it https://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/concert-from-umineko-when-they-cry-for-clarinet-quintet-and-piano
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Stefan Prodan posted:stein's gate is a lot better than any of the ryukishi stuff imo Counterpoint: Ryu treats his trans character with understanding, the steins gate guys...don't really??? That's major spoilers for both steins gate and umineko lol
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Meowywitch posted:Counterpoint: Ryu treats his trans character with understanding, the steins gate guys...don't really??? the steins;gate one is such a dumb stretch for like six reasons
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Jul 10, 2023 21:39
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lol yeah that's the worst part of stein's gate for sure
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Rockman Reserve posted:the steins;gate one is such a dumb stretch for like six reasons What do you mean?
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Read After Burning posted:I feel like the one person on these forums who preferred Higurashi over Umineko. I'm in the minority club too! Higurashi's themes hit home for me more than Umineko's, and honestly the "slow" parts of Higurashi aren't as bad as Umineko, IMO
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Jul 10, 2023 22:09
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Meowywitch posted:What do you mean? even for a story about science fantasy time travel poo poo, 'eat more vegetables for a girl' is some hilariously awful garbage pseudoscience quackery. stack that on with the fact that they have to like bootstrap a bunch of different systems together to haphazardly attempt to send a d-mail that far back in the first place, it's like, i've had less trouble suspending my disbelief at dragon ball Z fights. okabe responds to it in a really insanely stupid way, too, even though it's in character for him. finally, the way they undo it stings extra hard for Reasons, and iirc okabe honestly doesn't know if that message was caught by SERN at any point anyway (and it seems like it wasn't, since the attack happens at the relative "present" and SERN didn't just quietly build a working time machine on their own back when Luka was born).
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S;G's handling of its side characters is kind of a low point in general; pretty much all of them get the "haha, just kidding, you don't get to be happy in the real timeline" treatment to some degree. It just stings extra hard in that particular case.
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I read Ever17 this week, and it was a big step up over Never7. Overall I'd say it was good, but would have been a lot better if I hadn't already read Zero Escape since Uchikoshi reused a bunch of concepts from this game in that series. Still, most of the twists were cool, even if I wasn't wild about Takeshi coming back to life and swimming around with water in his lungs, which somehow felt sillier than the time traveling player insert deus ex machina. You1 asspulling the destruction of the big bad corporation in the epilogue felt a little underbaked too, but tbf I don't think Uchikoshi actually cares much about setting material beyond twist delivery. I figure if I made it through Never7 I'm probably obligated to finish the trilogy, but how does Remember11 compare to the others/Zero Escape?
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:I read Ever17 this week, and it was a big step up over Never7. Overall I'd say it was good, but would have been a lot better if I hadn't already read Zero Escape since Uchikoshi reused a bunch of concepts from this game in that series. Still, most of the twists were cool, even if I wasn't wild about Takeshi coming back to life and swimming around with water in his lungs, which somehow felt sillier than the time traveling player insert deus ex machina. You1 asspulling the destruction of the big bad corporation in the epilogue felt a little underbaked too, but tbf I don't think Uchikoshi actually cares much about setting material beyond twist delivery.
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If you've ever read a bunch of time travel fiction Steins;Gate doesn't work as strongly (at least in my case) and I didn't enjoy the characters as much as Umineko. I think it's telling how none of the other Science Adventure vns are considered to be as good as Steins;Gate, unlike The When They Cry series. Still want to read Higurashi but hearing about the teething problems of the early episodes and that there's a lot of the slice of life stuff that bored me in Umineko makes me unwilling to commit. If I was going to choose a long rear end VN to recommend as an introduction to long rear end VNs, it'd be The House At Fata Morgana.
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I dont think Hig has early episode issues and it's much less preposterously boring than the siblings arriving to the island four times in Umineko. That said it does start with three hours of straight up slapstick slice of life so thats real, but I'm easily entertained when it comes to comedy.
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The difference is battler is entertaining, you don't mind following his antics because he can bounce of anyone. Keichi is both boring and actively works against the more Interesting cast because of how hostile and idiotic he can act. It's like Umineko if George was the MC.
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The context of Hig is that Keiichi is 15 and barely knows these people. He's not a megamind but I truthfully never found him implausibly/aggravatingly stupid.
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Time travel media never works or make any sense. If you get caught in the weeds of that I don’t really understand how the genre can do anything for you
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S;G's system doesn't make sense exactly but I think it had some very interesting ideas that I haven't seen in any other take on time travel.
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No Wave posted:I dont think Hig has early episode issues and it's much less preposterously boring than the siblings arriving to the island four times in Umineko. That said it does start with three hours of straight up slapstick slice of life so thats real, but I'm easily entertained when it comes to comedy. I agree with this. I was fine with the "slow" parts of Higurashi, but much less so for Umineko, which honestly felt like plot dumps. Even the (early ch1 spoilers) inheritance discussion felt boring because it still felt like a plot dump.
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How is Umineko a time trave VN
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Tired Moritz posted:How is Umineko a time trave VN Something something witches.
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MegaZeroX posted:IMO Remember 11 is the best of the trilogy by a long shot. It has its own flaws, but I think it is at least better than ZTD, along with the best soundtrack for a VN Uchikoshi has worked on IMO. Honestly from the get go I would have recommended only reading R11 and skipping the other two, maybe with a summary of those games' central conceit. My memory of R11 is that it was excellent but also blatantly needed a sequel to finish the story.
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I decided to take a break from Uchikoshi games for now (though I definitely still intend to play R11 at some point this year), so I started playing Chaos Head Noah, and even having some idea of what to expect going in, I don't think I was quite prepared for just how unpleasant a protagonist this game has. I think I'm going to try to stick with it at least to the first ending despite that, because I'm interested in seeing what's actually going on here, but so far at least I can't really call this a fun experience.
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Thuryl posted:S;G's handling of its side characters is kind of a low point in general; pretty much all of them get the "haha, just kidding, you don't get to be happy in the real timeline" treatment to some degree. It just stings extra hard in that particular case. Yeah, and it's such a shame because other VNs have handled a similar problem with much more grace, like Baldr Sky and 9nine. Even Muv-Luv, which takes the idea of a "true route" and cranks it up to 11 for storytelling purposes, is kinder to its side characters I do think the tragedy of having to trample over other people's happy endings is also the point of Okabe's struggle, and it's especially poignant during Mayushi's ending. But it silos off arcs too strictly and inadvertently makes him look like a selfish monster
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:I decided to take a break from Uchikoshi games for now (though I definitely still intend to play R11 at some point this year), so I started playing Chaos Head Noah, and even having some idea of what to expect going in, I don't think I was quite prepared for just how unpleasant a protagonist this game has. I think I'm going to try to stick with it at least to the first ending despite that, because I'm interested in seeing what's actually going on here, but so far at least I can't really call this a fun experience. Unfortunately what's actually going on is even more stupid
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WarpDogs posted:Yeah, and it's such a shame because other VNs have handled a similar problem with much more grace, like Baldr Sky and 9nine. Even Muv-Luv, which takes the idea of a "true route" and cranks it up to 11 for storytelling purposes, is kinder to its side characters
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Are you suggesting it's selfish to want to prevent someone you care about from being killed (leaving aside the fact that he believes it will prevent the world from becoming a dystopia) "Selfish" was the wrong word. It's more "single-minded" He wants to save Mayushi, but more than that is his guilt at being responsible for the events leading to her death and putting everyone he cares about into harm's way. And there's no line he won't cross to unring that bell It's that guilt that drives him the most + the inability to let anything go. This dynamic plays out in every ending prior to hers, and then is really driven home in the non-true Kurisu ending He's a good person, but most of his arc is giving people what they want and then forcing them back into the status quo as he desperately tries to put the toothpaste back in the tube. It's also been a long time since I've played S;G so I may be blurring together the characterization of Okabe in the bad endings or even S;G0
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