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Squiggle posted:Enh, I went back, people are stressful. Yeah I have limited time and having my one race I could do that night ruined by a turn 1 hero sucked. When its good it's awesome. But I just don't have the time and found myself really having issue with only being able to do like 2 races a week plus a practice.
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Fired up Dirt 2.0. Was very hard until I remembered that the brake is less throttle, while turning sharper requires more throttle in lower gears. Still hard, but I had a couple moments of flow where I wasnt even parsing the directions, I just followed them and tore everything up. I of course lost concentration and rolled, but I see why it’s fun. Assetto Corsa does indeed have the worst UI I’ve ever encountered holy poo poo. The symbols rarely correspond to what clicking them actually does. I don’t quite have a hang of braking vs. downshifting vs. going very fast on a track and am constantly wrecking because I forget to just go clean and slow. Good times.
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Jul 10, 2023 15:36
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Beve Stuscemi posted:That’s the thing with iRacing. I’m done racing AI. After you go up agains a full grid of humans there is no going back. Same, I can't drive against AI anymore, I feel like I'm watching myself burn time of my life away getting nothing done. I don't know why I feel different about racing people but yeah.
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Jul 10, 2023 16:39
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I wish iRacing would at least let you race practice / hot lap on the tracks & cars you purchased if you don't have a sub.
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Jul 10, 2023 16:48
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I wish my local golf club would let me use the clubs I bought from the pro shop on the course without paying the membership fee
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Jul 10, 2023 16:57
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They will if you jump the fence at night.
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Vando posted:I wish my local golf club would let me use the clubs I bought from the pro shop on the course without paying the membership fee How does it affect iRacing what you do offline? Do the tracks wear down?
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Steen71 posted:How does it affect iRacing what you do offline? Do the tracks wear down? The whole deal is paying for the upkeep of the service as a whole, if you wanted offline no sub mode you'd be changing the whole pricing equation and while it's probably doable I doubt it's close to a priority. Plus - and this is a selfish user who wants more people racing talking - if you're paying a sub to drive at all you're far more likely to use that time driving in races rather than solo practice, which is the whole point in the first place.
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tater_salad posted:Yeah I have limited time and having my one race I could do that night ruined by a turn 1 hero sucked. Different strokes, etc, but I also have limited time and can only race at night, but my opinion is why waste that time going up against AI when you could race real people? Sometimes people do crash in T1, just like in real life.
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Vando posted:I wish my local golf club would let me use the clubs I bought from the pro shop on the course without paying the membership fee You really don't have to defend tying offline use of purchased content to a paid subscription
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Jul 10, 2023 18:10
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Vando posted:I wish my local golf club would let me use the clubs I bought from the pro shop on the course without paying the membership fee Wow what a bad analogy!
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I tried one race in iRacing and got banned for driving wrong in the pit lane... Guess I need to lurk more etc
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Squiggle posted:Wow what a bad analogy! Going to need you to expand on exactly where this one falls down there chief
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pzy posted:I tried one race in iRacing and got banned for driving wrong in the pit lane... Guess I need to lurk more etc Banned? Or DQ'ed?
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Jul 10, 2023 18:28
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Sure! "On the course without paying the membership fee" is dumb, because that would be playing it online with the public. Which yeah, understandably comes with the fee. I wish my local golf club would let me use the clubs I bought from the pro shop on my personal, private replica of the golf club course Squiggle fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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Jul 10, 2023 18:29
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Squiggle posted:I wish my local golf club would let me use the clubs I bought from the pro shop on my personal, private replica of the golf club course Hmm not sure this analogy works all that well either
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Jul 10, 2023 18:31
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Well they're not tangible loving goods or real places, so it's a stupid analogy all aroundTheScott2K posted:You really don't have to defend tying offline use of purchased content to a paid subscription
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Jul 10, 2023 18:33
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Vando posted:The whole deal is paying for the upkeep of the service as a whole, if you wanted offline no sub mode you'd be changing the whole pricing equation and while it's probably doable I doubt it's close to a priority. Plus - and this is a selfish user who wants more people racing talking - if you're paying a sub to drive at all you're far more likely to use that time driving in races rather than solo practice, which is the whole point in the first place. Respond to this instead of the dumb throwaway analogy then
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Jul 10, 2023 18:35
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Okay, if it's offline against nobody, then what service are they even providing? Do you really think the ability to race offline without a sub is somehow massively alluring and would cut into their subscription business?
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Squiggle posted:Okay, if it's offline against nobody, then what service are they even providing? Do you really think the ability to race offline without a sub is somehow massively alluring and would cut into their subscription business? I have no idea but I assume they do because if not why wouldn't they provide it?
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Jul 10, 2023 18:38
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Because they're knaves
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I also recall when trying to get them on board with the idea of stuff like season passes for race seasons where you just get a content license for that season for a knockdown price the big sticking point is their current license agreements don't include any allowance for that, so I'd guess offline use/anything else that isn't the current model is probably not provided for, and I can see why that would be a pain in the rear end to revise. e: comedy option: they wrote all the code 15 years ago and nobody knows how to untie it from the sub platform in a way that works Vando fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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Jul 10, 2023 18:41
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I would believe either of those equally! This was a good disagreement/conversation, peace be with you
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Beve Stuscemi posted:Banned? Or DQ'ed? IIRC it said I was banned from joining real races for 48 hours
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Jul 10, 2023 18:46
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The quarterly iracing slapfight has occurred, please send the notes to management, see you all next quarter
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Squiggle posted:I would believe either of those equally! Yeah same, main thing I have beef with is when people assume the whole setup is to gently caress the user over for no reason. I agree it would be nice functionality to have, but it's not essential and I also don't trust any implementation of it not to come with 'oops we're raising prices as part of this!'
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Between iRacing, flight simulators, and train simulators there's just not enough time in the day to complain about the inexplicable business practices and dev decisions for niche hobbies!Vando posted:I agree it would be nice functionality to have, but it's not essential and I also don't trust any implementation of it not to come with 'oops we're raising prices as part of this!' Exactly - whatever the reason it's not possible now, I'm positive they're the kind to charge more if it ever did. Squiggle fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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Jul 10, 2023 18:52
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I renewed my subscription for iRacing last year, did two MX5 races and that was it. Talk about wasting money 
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Squiggle posted:Exactly - whatever the reason it's not possible now, I'm positive they're the kind to charge more if it ever did. I'm not sure about that, they don't really tend to put prices up much, and they do stuff like refund part of the price for content that gets superseded if you bought it within the last 2 years. There hasn't really been any consumer-unfriendly behaviour in general, the limitations do seem to be that they're a small shop working on a pet project and change is hard if it isn't something flashy that people want to work on.
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Vando posted:I have no idea but I assume they do because if not why wouldn't they provide it? I don't think it's much of a leap to assume a for-profit entity will paywall an activity because they feel they can get away with it, irrespective of marginal costs that may or may not be incurred by someone doing offline practice laps.
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TheScott2K posted:I don't think it's much of a leap to assume a for-profit entity will paywall an activity because they feel they can get away with it, irrespective of marginal costs that may or may not be incurred by someone doing offline practice laps. They definitely feel like they can get away with it because they're doing it, I just don't think profit is the reason given that it isn't really a profits-driven endeavour in the first place.
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They have literally no competition in their space. Someone really needs to make a sim that copies the basic premise of iracing but massively undercuts them. It must not be very viable, or someone would have went for the 800lb gorilla already
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Beve Stuscemi posted:They have literally no competition in their space. Someone really needs to make a sim that copies the basic premise of iracing but massively undercuts them. ACC promised it but then ran away from the claim very quickly, probably shortly after they got their first server hosting quote
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Probably a matter of there just not being a big enough market to make it worth trying to dethrone an entrenched player. Really curious to see how Forza Motorsport plays out if it has a safety rating system. Obviously there will be dozens of dealbreakers for the existing iracing crowd, but maybe in the long run it brings in a lot of new people? Wheels are cheaper than ever.
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Rennsports 12 player single class lobbies are the iracing killer
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I like playing racing games it's fun. Online offline cheap expensive. It's good and whomever likes to do the same is cool. Even if its a little different you do what you like. poo poo sometimes I take my shitbox Miata and do real life pretend racecars.
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Vando posted:ACC promised it but then ran away from the claim very quickly, probably shortly after they got their first server hosting quote Project Cars 2 wanted to be that too, as did Raceroom when they implemented their online ranking system, rFactor 2 has also copied the system. None of them have anywhere near the entrenched user base or (relative) stability of iRacing. The only other game that’s really pulled it off is Gran Turismo and that’s mostly because it’s in a different market.
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TheScott2K posted:Really curious to see how Forza Motorsport plays out if it has a safety rating system. Obviously there will be dozens of dealbreakers for the existing iracing crowd, but maybe in the long run it brings in a lot of new people? Wheels are cheaper than ever. As mentioned, Gran Turismo Sport and 7 did this pretty well, but that’s probably mostly an effect of the PlayStation walled garden and their users having no other choice.
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Beve Stuscemi posted:As mentioned, Gran Turismo Sport and 7 did this pretty well, but that’s probably mostly an effect of the PlayStation walled garden and their users having no other choice. I think FM has the potential to do a bit more, just through ease of access. Unlike GT there's a PC version, and you don't have to pay $70 for either - if you have GamePass, you can play it, and of you don't you can pay $1 to play it for a month. Of course, this is post-FM4 Turn10 so they'll gently caress it up somehow.
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