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Speaking of Florida, CNN has an interesting article about how Florida has gone from one of the cheapest states overall (and the second cheapest big state behind Ohio) to almost on par with urban areas of California and New York for cost of living and inflation over a period of about 20 years. It's basically a culmination of the fact that Florida was so popular to move to because it was cheap and had good weather that it resulted in a population surge + they haven't built any new housing/can't build any new housing in existing areas because of the ocean/insurance is skyrocketing because of climate change and erosion. Relatedly, Minneapolis and St. Paul continue to be the cheapest major urban area in the country with the lowest inflation. There is a massive discount in America for living in cold places and a huge premium for living in places with warm weather like Florida and southern California. The places with the fastest rising costs: Atlanta, Austin, and Waikiki seem to support the trend that there are lots of people moving to warm areas and there is a big CoL premium to be paid for living there now. Places like Florida, Georgia, and Arizona used to be so popular because they were so cheap. It will be interesting to see if people keep moving there once the cost of living is on the same level as California. Florida's population surge in 2021-2022 and southern California's population continuing to increase while costs rose seems to indicate yes. But, do Florida and Arizona have the same economic staying power/draw as Southern California that make people think it is worth the cost? https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1678418858732920832 quote:Florida is America’s inflation hotspot, thanks to a persistent problem with sky-high housing costs.
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zoux posted:No today's invented Biden Scandal is that he's too mean Hillary would've won '16 if she treated her millennial staff like this rather than taking all their stupid "how do you do, fellow kids?" suggestions to heart.
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In a shocking twist, it turns out that the House Republicans' IRS whistleblower, whose evidence they would not make public, was not exactly telling the truth. The Trump-appointed US attorney previously wrote a letter in which he said that he never asked for Special Counsel status and was never refused authority to charge Hunter Biden on any charge or in any jurisdiction. He also specifically testified that the claims from the whistleblower regarding his authority were not accurate. https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1678428224382959617 https://twitter.com/alaynatreene/status/1678458554754244609 quote:US Attorney David Weiss, who is overseeing the Hunter Biden criminal probe, says in a letter obtained by CNN that he did not ask to be named as a special counsel and was never refused authority to bring charges anywhere in the country, refuting two key allegations from IRS whistleblowers.
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Someone was asking last week why finding a random bag of cocaine in a visitors' area of the WH was getting so much coverage.  Obvious cocaine fiend Joe Biden
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Speaking of Florida, CNN has an interesting article about how Florida has gone from one of the cheapest states overall (and the second cheapest big state behind Ohio) to almost on par with urban areas of California and New York for cost of living and inflation over a period of about 20 years. I find the rising cost of living in traditionally low-cost states like Florida an intriguing opportunity for the Democratic party. Florida's transition from a low-cost haven to a state with costs rivalling urban California and New York has been driven by significant population surge largely due to desirable weather conditions, absence of state income tax, snd the allure of coastal living. This is cautionary news for Republicans, as such a shift often comes with a demographic change that could sway political leanings towards Democrats, as seen in states with higher cost of living like California and New York. Meanwhile, the Twin Cities persist as major urban areas with a lower rate of inflation and cost of living, which, although an appealing option for some looking to avoid the rising costs of warmer climates, might not warrant the anticipated exodus. The trend seems to be many are favoring warmer locales despite the rising costs. This is underscored by the surging costs in other warm areas such as Atlanta, Austin, and Waikiki. As such, we could anticipate an increasing influx of Democratic-leaning residents in these traditionally Republican-stronghold states. But what will be essential to investigate is Florida and Arizona's economic strength to retain the new residents. If they fail, and people perceive the trade-off between cost and quality of life as not being worth it, it's going to be a rather severe blow to the Republican power base, tipping the scale of power even further in favor of Democrats.
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big doubt on that ,the trend from the last several years is virtual signaling / peacocking regressives bragging about leaving blue state / commiefornia and settling in a red state. or the even older trend of snow birds retiring to a place so they dont see snow or cold weather ever again.
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https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1678056844185436161 That commonly understood and useful benchmark, the 9 week rolling average. Now on the useless yearly average, which tells you nothing, OF COURSE it's going to look good for Biden 
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PhazonLink posted:big doubt on that ,the trend from the last several years is virtual signaling / peacocking regressives bragging about leaving blue state / commiefornia and settling in a red state. While there's merit to your argument, we're witnessing unprecedented shifts towards the Democratic party in historically staunchly Republican suburban areas. The sun-seeking snowbirds, too, are not a monolithic group politically. Of course, only time will reveal the full impact of these changes, but dismissing the possibility of political shifts in red states, or underestimating the Democrats' capacity to gain ground in these areas, could be a grave mistake.
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Lichen Subscribe posted:While there's merit to your argument, we're witnessing unprecedented shifts towards the Democratic party in historically staunchly Republican suburban areas. The sun-seeking snowbirds, too, are not a monolithic group politically. Of course, only time will reveal the full impact of these changes, but dismissing the possibility of political shifts in red states, or underestimating the Democrats' capacity to gain ground in these areas, could be a grave mistake. The subject of the article - Florida - has actually gotten significantly more Republican as it became more expensive and populated. Arizona and Georgia seem to have gotten more blue. It's currently somewhat of a mixed bag and not a 1:1 correlation.
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Republicans can't afford to lose any more ground in NC, but using their veto-proof gerrymandered GOP majority to make the state inhospitable to any decent person will probably keep it on that side of the equation.  The best hope for NC Dems is a huge backlash in '24 to the clearly unpopular stuff Republicans are doing right now (and maybe a reporter will muckrake some information on the gigantic bribe and/or blackmail involving the woman who switched parties despite showing no history of ideological conservatism.) A gerrymander can backfire really badly if all those 55-45 districts you made start to look like tossups... Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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Mellow Seas posted:A NINE-WEEK HIGH! I can't believe Joe Biden made gas prices higher in the summer
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Tripped and bumped into the GAS PRICES lever
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The latest YouGov poll shows that two of the objectively largest sources of inflation are considered the least likely causes by a majority of Americans (both Republicans and Democrats). They also have a fun partisan breakdown in this tweet/graphic. Some other fun/sad/weird results: - 45% of Americans think the U.S. economy is doing poorly (which is double the rate of those who think Europe and the global economy is doing poorly). Despite Europe's economy being objectively worse off than the U.S. and Canada, only 17% of Americans think the European economy is doing poorly right now and most assume it is doing much better than the U.S. The U.K., which is still recovering from a self-inflicted economic disaster from last year and is currently among the weakest economies in Europe, is only perceived as doing poorly by 19% of Americans. Americans seem to think that the economy in every country except the United States, and the European economy especially, are doing fairly well right now. - Only 52% of Americans think the Covid-19 pandemic had a very large impact on inflation (!!!) - The policies Americans think will reduce inflation the most are: 1) Increasing domestic oil production 2) Strengthening the U.S. supply chain 3) Having the government put caps on how fast prices can increase 4) Fining companies who price gouge 5) Cutting taxes - The policies Americans think will be the least effective in decreasing inflation/will increase inflation are: 1) Increase immigration of working age people 2) Removing sanctions on Russia 3) Raising interest rates (!) 4) Providing more childcare to workers 5) Increasing taxes on corporations https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1678488472175144978 Just as there are large partisan divides on what causes inflation, there are also large partisan divides (and some areas of agreement) on what policies WON'T decrease inflation. Americans all around are pretty bad at predicting/assessing what causes inflation and seem to only occasionally stumble into the correct answers based on partisan leanings.  Edit: Unrelated, but I have to provide this clip without comment because there isn't much to say except that it is an amazingly crafted quote. https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1678485872897847311 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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People wanting to live in 100 degree 100% humidity hellholes is so alien to me that I must assume lizardpeople are real and they just can't control their body temperature.
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Jul 10, 2023 21:13
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Byzantine posted:People wanting to live in 100 degree 100% humidity hellholes is so alien to me that I must assume lizardpeople are real and they just can't control their body temperature. Everyone from Arizona: "Actually, it's a dry heat."
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
We produce plenty of oil. If by “supply chain” they mean infrastructure we should absolutely do that but it involves spending a lot of money which isn’t going to reduce inflation (but will increase employment and wages and be a net good.) I’m not sure how price caps would really work. Yes a lot of inflation is “because we can” price increases but I don’t know if caps would work. What would work would be increased competition by the breaking up of, say, the thousand largest companies in the US? 500? We can work out the number let’s just get busting. Lmao at cutting taxes reducing inflation. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:- The policies Americans think will be the least effective in decreasing inflation/will increase inflation are: I guess it’s strictly true that more people working, and therefore producing, doesn’t really reduce inflation. Again, lmao at thinking raising interest rates isn’t effective. Though I don’t really think childcare would reduce inflation either (more people working making more stuff and having more money.) That isn’t to say we shouldn’t do it but no I guess it wouldn’t help inflation?
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The average American has no idea how the economy works, what's going on in foreign countries, or causal relationships between events. If not for the popularity of crocs many Americans would strangle themselves trying to tie their shoes. More working age immigrants is basically the best thing for the economy because they generally increase the labor supply without decreasing wages. Childcare is in the same boat: there's a big chunk of people not working, or only working part-time, because of the need to care for children. EDIT: Providing a source because the claim that working age immigrants increase wages seems to go against Econ 101: https://www.tamiu.edu/coas/documents/tamiu-abic.pdf. Morrow fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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Lichen Subscribe posted:I find the rising cost of living in traditionally low-cost states like Florida an intriguing opportunity for the Democratic party. Florida's transition from a low-cost haven to a state with costs rivalling urban California and New York has been driven by significant population surge largely due to desirable weather conditions, absence of state income tax, snd the allure of coastal living. This is cautionary news for Republicans, as such a shift often comes with a demographic change that could sway political leanings towards Democrats, as seen in states with higher cost of living like California and New York. Rising costs of living don't, by themselves, create demographic changes favorable to Democrats. If anything, it's the opposite - they push out the poor and disadvantaged, shifting demographics toward the economically-conservative wealthy. And I think you're not really considering the rather unique demographic factors driving Florida's growth. Urban populations tend to lean more Democratic, but what's happening in Florida isn't actually urban population growth. The metro areas are seeing rising populations, but people aren't flocking to the cities themselves - they're flocking to the unincorporated areas around the cities, which mostly consist of white-flight suburbs on the outskirts of the urban areas. Which isn't a surprise, because the population influx into Florida is dominated by old, wealthy retirees - as it has been for decades now. More than 21% of Florida's current population is above age 65, giving it the second-highest retirement-age population in the country, both by percentage and by total numbers. And despite the higher death rate among that group, Florida's 65+ population is continuing to increase. In the 2010s, the US's fastest-growing metro area was The Villages, a master-planned retirement community where more than 80% of the population is over age 65 and 98% of the population is white. I doubt anyone will be shocked to hear that The Villages is notoriously conservative even by Florida standards. One side effect of all this is that Florida doesn't really need economic strength to retain the new residents, because the new residents tend to be either high-earning remote workers or wealthy retirees, neither of whom really need decent jobs in Florida. In fact, they're mostly a source of jobs, as Florida's economy increasingly reorients toward providing services to that influx of well-off rich folks moving there to spend their time in leisure and comfort. Byzantine posted:People wanting to live in 100 degree 100% humidity hellholes is so alien to me that I must assume lizardpeople are real and they just can't control their body temperature. The secret is that a fair chunk of the population spends just under six months of the year in their summer homes further north, and the people who stay in Florida year-round are blasting the A/C all the time from March to November. As long as you've got money, you can avoid most of the unpleasantness pretty easily.
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Byzantine posted:People wanting to live in 100 degree 100% humidity hellholes is so alien to me that I must assume lizardpeople are real and they just can't control their body temperature. efb on the seasonal north migration. "Having the government put caps on how fast prices can increase" how does this even work, especially with the US being the most free market loving capitalist hellhole it is.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Lmao at cutting taxes reducing inflation. Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Again, lmao at thinking raising interest rates isn’t effective.
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PhazonLink posted:"Having the government put caps on how fast prices can increase" Nixon did impose freezes on wages and prices in 1971. It provides some short-term relief but doesn't address root issues and can make long-term problems worse. He had special authority under a 1970 law to do so that expired a few years later.
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That Nixon won 49 states a year after he instituted price controls (and the fact that they are popular in the YouGov survey) suggests that it would be a really good idea for Biden to at least feint towards them. They are anathema to a lot of Dem donors though, so I'm not expecting it.
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zoux posted:No today's invented Biden Scandal is that he's too mean Seems kind of superfluous considering there's a rape accusation and dozens of stories, pictures, and video of him being inappropriate with women and girls. It's like running a hit piece on a murderer by saying "we caught him jaywalking too!" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1678470605799038979 That's an interesting strategy. Go call Pennsylvania an inbred shithole that you also won. Four Dollars posted:Seems kind of superfluous considering there's a rape accusation and dozens of stories, pictures, and video of him being inappropriate with women and girls. It's like running a hit piece on a murderer by saying "we caught him jaywalking too!" Do you know what news means or do you think the national press should be running daily stories on Tara Reade here in 2023. zoux fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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Mellow Seas posted:Yeah, even though it's The Opposite of True I can kind of cut people some slack on that one - because people might have been thinking of "decrease inflation" to mean "address the problems I'm having with inflation," and if you're doing that then cutting your taxes would give you more money so technically it would be helping in the short term. I think a lot of people pass on the cost of taxes to others when pricing, so while I'm annoyed that taxation is not a popular tool to cool inflation, it makes sense to me that many people don't "get" why it would probably work.
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Expecting any kind of success for Democrats in Florida would, by necessity, expect Florida Democrat organizations to do anything besides trip over their own dicks and fail miserably. Good luck with that
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zoux posted:That's an interesting strategy. Go call Pennsylvania an inbred shithole that you also won..
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bird food bathtub posted:Expecting any kind of success for Democrats in Florida would, by necessity, expect Florida Democrat organizations to do anything besides trip over their own dicks and fail miserably. I mean in the 'good' times we ran several former Republicans like Charlie Crist for major offices. Now the FL Dems are even more of a joke and they are going to have to settle for some insane candidates.
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Four Dollars posted:Seems kind of superfluous considering there's a rape accusation and dozens of stories, pictures, and video of him being inappropriate with women and girls. It's like running a hit piece on a murderer by saying "we caught him jaywalking too!" AmiYumi fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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I grew up in Florida and that state is an absolute disaster to be a young person. Even before everything became expensive entry level jobs didn't pay enough to live off of. The only people the Florida economy has ever worked for is people that are mid career or retirees. Every set of parents that decides to settle down in Florida is setting up their children to struggle through their early adulthood working service jobs that pay poo poo and offer few benefits. Florida is just psychotically hostile to young people.
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PhazonLink posted:"Having the government put caps on how fast prices can increase" I mean, most other countries have price caps on everything from interest rates to prescription drugs. The U.S. is the outlier here, most likely because of donor-driven politics & regulatory capture embraced by both parties. Medical credit is the cause (understandably) of some of the fastest-growing consumer debt in this country, and yet only now is the federal government "looking into" their practices, although they've been around for at least a couple decades. quote:Three federal agencies are looking into potentially predatory practices in medical payment products such as credit cards and installment loans patients use to pay for healthcare. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-07-08/medical-credit-cards-targeted-by-u-s-for-piling-debt-on-patients
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Mustang posted:I grew up in Florida and that state is an absolute disaster to be a young person. Even before everything became expensive entry level jobs didn't pay enough to live off of. The only people the Florida economy has ever worked for is people that are mid career or retirees.
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Worth noting that although we consider Florida to be a complete irredeemable disaster Biden only lost there by 3.5 points. There are, presumably, millions of Democrats in Florida, and I assume at least some of them have to have political skills. Hell, Andrew Gillem almost beat DeSantis while addicted to meth and hookers. DeSantis has also had his approval rating go underwater since his reelection. There is still an opportunity there - somebody just has to step up and challenge the existing party. It can't be that friggin' hard to beat somebody like Charlie Crist in a Democratic primary... AmiYumi posted:It pulls off the mask that decades of PR have put over his image, and attests to his character and actions.
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Mellow Seas posted:There is still an opportunity there - somebody just has to step up and challenge the existing party. It can't be that friggin' hard to beat somebody like Charlie Crist in a Democratic primary... It seems like the new tact under the new head of the FL Dems is going to be to go after DeSantis on people not being able to afford to live in this state with the insane cost of housing and insurance, which isn't a bad strategy to start with.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The problem is that Crist at least had name recognition. Most of the others just don't. A strategy that will crash and burn with ferocity when the follow up question "What are you going to do about it?" is asked. I'm not aware of anybody in the state that has an answer besides "lol I dunno be more Republican? Anything else is doing a socialism!" Those of you still living there can set me straight if things have changed. I got the gently caress out of America's Scrotum like a decade ago, so I'm not in the front row of the dumpster fire viewing seats anymore. Just throwing the poo poo the state deserves from afar.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Speaking of Florida, CNN has an interesting article about how Florida has gone from one of the cheapest states overall (and the second cheapest big state behind Ohio) to almost on par with urban areas of California and New York for cost of living and inflation over a period of about 20 years. thats weird I live in a cold rural shithole (western ma) and the price of everything is increasing like 1000% a year
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bird food bathtub posted:A strategy that will crash and burn with ferocity when the follow up question "What are you going to do about it?" is asked. I'm not aware of anybody in the state that has an answer besides "lol I dunno be more Republican? Anything else is doing a socialism!" Those of you still living there can set me straight if things have changed. I got the gently caress out of America's Scrotum like a decade ago, so I'm not in the front row of the dumpster fire viewing seats anymore. Just throwing the poo poo the state deserves from afar. Even liberal/Democratic leaning people I grew up with around Tampa are pretty hostile to the government doing anything at any time. Florida is an incoherent libertarian dumpster fire. I struggle to think of anything redeemable about the state. Cuban sandwiches? Cool wildlife like alligators? That's about it. Don't miss the people at all.
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Other Florida news: Larry Nassar, rapist of hundreds of young female athletes, got got in his prison.quote:Disgraced sports doctor Larry Nassar, who was convicted of sexually abusing female gymnasts, was stabbed multiple times during an altercation with another incarcerated person at a federal prison in Florida. https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...ources/3068414/ That would be the same FBI that has monitored social media for the crime of "undermining" the government & its fine upstanding agencies.
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