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ILL Machina posted:Can't you point to Germany and South America in their reckoning with the Holocaust and apartheid in terms of how the state can try to influence the individuals? They had truth and reconciliation committees, required factual education, that sort of thing. We're actively doing the opposite atm. I didn't know any South American nations had done that and never even thought of Germany despite having known about that, but yeah, good point. I suppose it just requires extraordinary circumstances to push governments to do so.
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tsob posted:I didn't know any South American nations had done that and never even thought of Germany despite having known about that, but yeah, good point. I suppose it just requires extraordinary circumstances to push governments to do so. Functioning parliamentary democracy doesn't hurt either. Not to say my nation's Parliament is functioning but it's not the clown show cooked up before the age of electricity that is 
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tsob posted:I didn't know any South American nations had done that and never even thought of Germany despite having known about that, but yeah, good point. I suppose it just requires extraordinary circumstances to push governments to do so. My bad I meant South Africa
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I mean, I wasn't aware of it in South Africa either so that's still news to me and interesting to know about. Might be something worth looking up later, but it does make me wonder why South Africa specifically did that since they weren't a central nation in WW2. Still, that'd be the point of looking that info up. Thanks for the correction regardless.
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Not for world war 2, South Africa had their own separate sins to atone for.
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tsob posted:I mean, I wasn't aware of it in South Africa either so that's still news to me and interesting to know about. Might be something worth looking up later, but it does make me wonder why South Africa specifically did that since they weren't a central nation in WW2. Still, that'd be the point of looking that info up. Thanks for the correction regardless. It wasn't for the Holocaust, it was for apartheid. Def worth a wiki scan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_Reconciliation_Commission_(South_Africa) Efb There are lots of legit criticisms of the TRC approach vs Nuremberg-like trials, but the ultimate goal is to acknowledge awful historical truths and consider reparations and amnesty requests. This was like 5 years after the apartheid govt was ousted, so the timeliness is a factor. In the US, we refuse to believe it's possible to discuss these things officially because it might compromise our Exceptionslism. I think folks are just hoping to wait a few more centuries for people to forget it...despite our atrocities being a essential part of our foundation. ILL Machina fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jul 8, 2023 |
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ILL Machina posted:It wasn't for the Holocaust, it was for apartheid. Def worth a wiki scan. Oh right, duh. I skipped over the "and apartheid" part of your post for some reason. That makes way more sense. As to the US, I'm not actually American for clarification, so it's not US exceptionalism that makes me doubt it's possible (or likely at least, since you've given some good examples) and just cynical, I guess? I don't think there's anything that awful in Ireland's history, though the Troubles are certainly proving a headache; especially in light of Brexit flaring tensions again in the North. That said, there could definitely be some national conversation around the Traveler community, and treatment of refugees; there's high public support for refugees in polling and stuff, but then when refugees get here a lot of them are stuck in dogshit accommodation, often for years on end, not allowed to work or make a life for themselves etc. And lately many don't even get accommodation due to a mixture of the housing crisis and rising refugee numbers. Instead they end up living rough for months on end. Which isn't helped by anti-refugee protests and anti-refugee sentiment becoming a thing. Or more of a visible thing, probably. That said, I do think Ireland could use a national conversation on neutrality, since while the country has always been officially neutral since the state was formed, it was originally neutral mostly so that we could support the Allies without directly allying with Britain, we didn't join NATO simply because NATO refused our membership when politicians tried to leverage the request in order to regain the 6 counties in the North from Britain (since the Irish politicians of the time vastly over-estimated the value of Ireland as a strategic location at the time) and there's no official stance in any kind of charter on what neutrality means or is to the state. There's been citizen's assemblies followed by referendums on marriage equality and abortion in the last few years, but neutrality seems like it could use similar treatment to define what it is. Which may not be as dire or pressing as something like slavery, reparations etc. but is probably about as big a thing as Ireland has, alongside things like refugee treatment or the history of the Traveler community.
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Jul 9, 2023 05:17
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At the moment, whenever I hear Alex Jones, I imagine him as Dr. Robotnik/Eggman. Just imagine how much more interesting the games would be if you chased the DeathEgg while Robotnik was droning on about demons and sodomites
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Marsupial Ape posted:When I was a kid, they’d do a “very special episode” of a popular sitcom dealing with a current social issue. I'm pretty sure America came to grips with it back in 1956 when The Refrigerator Safety Act was passed which ended the manufature of fridges with latching doors... But a generation of kids learning CPR from Punky Brewster was not problematic at all.
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rich thick and creamy posted:I'm pretty sure America came to grips with it back in 1956 when The Refrigerator Safety Act was passed which ended the manufature of fridges with latching doors... I keep forgetting goons can’t discern humor as much as they can’t watch TV, so this is my fault, not yours.
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I loved those Alex Jones cover songs and remixes. Unfortunately, I think like Dan alluded too, I eventually figured out that they did generate a whole bunch of positive attention for Infowars, including people singing those songs unironically. That soured me a bit on the concept.
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So how does a AIDS denialist get to help write aids policy for a whole rear end country?
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Grand Fromage posted:I enjoyed Alex saying Piggly Wiggly a bunch. my exact thoughts. what a delight.
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Lord Stimperor posted:I loved those Alex Jones cover songs and remixes. Unfortunately, I think like Dan alluded too, I eventually figured out that they did generate a whole bunch of positive attention for Infowars, including people singing those songs unironically. That soured me a bit on the concept. Clearly we need to have underground, black market Alex Jones parody songs.
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BigRed0427 posted:So how does a AIDS denialist get to help write aids policy for a whole rear end country? If it's referencing the people in charge during the Reagan era there was not-at-all concealed celebration about people dying of "the gay disease". Outright public support of "oh well they deserve it any way." In that environment the people writing policy were happy to let it happen. They didn't have to get their hands dirty with actual murders, they just filed paperwork to let it happen.
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At what point did the podcast take a turn from Dan inviting Jordan over to listen to the crazy fucker who declared "...it's time to pray" into a deep examination of how Alex spreads misinformation for profit? When I started the podcast I listened to one of two of the latest episodes, then jumped back and listened to the first two or three along with some of the recommendations in the OP before finding an episode that seemed to be the start of Alex's reaction to Biden winning and just went from there, and am still catching up; I'll almost certainly go back and listen to it all eventually, but I'm curious if it took 10 episodes or 100 for them to transition to the realization that this was basically a job for them now as they pulled apart Alex's methodoly.
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I imagine that it was pretty gradual, although it is weird to hear an old episode where Dan's selling blood plasma to make ends meet when you know where they are now. There's probably 2 big standouts when they did deep dive investigations into the past covering batches of episodes. They went back and covered Alex's coverage of Sandy Hook with the goal of finding the point when he first said it was a hoax and they did a long series to catch the moment when Alex decided to support Trump. The Sandy Hook series was naturally much more serious than the 2016 election one, but they were both big moments of digging in and researching Alex with a goal in mind.
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I'd like to see them do another batch of episodes on one of Alex's lovely documentaries. Those are always a good time
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probably when Dan started covering Alex's documentaries like Endgame and getting into the history of the Birch Society, which Alex is just the latest propoganda piece for
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Tree Dude posted:I'd like to see them do another batch of episodes on one of Alex's lovely documentaries. Dan has repeatedly said there just aren't any documentaries left. Once social media became a thing, he started chasing algorithm engagement more than making bootleggable DVDs. The more Facebook became a thing, and the more turbulent Alex's relationship got with his only competent video editor, the less documentaries happened. Rob Jacobson's deposition in the CT trial stated that theer are a few unreleased documentaries that Alex sat on, though considering at least one of them was "Sandy Hook Denialism: The Movie", perhaps we were better off without.
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:MAD MAX TOE CUTTER SCENE Alex getting more and more frustrated with his staff with his demands to find videos will never not be funny.
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So is Alex doing rails of coke or does he stick to adderal like a good white collar criminal? Just curious what he's on because hoooooooly poo poo is he whacked out on something.
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It was curious to me, because while he was clearly under the influence of something, it was also the first time he was under the influence consistently throughout the entire show. ... beforehand, the effects of his drug-taking usually manifest in more temporary and sudden ways.
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bird food bathtub posted:So is Alex doing rails of coke or does he stick to adderal like a good white collar criminal? Just curious what he's on because hoooooooly poo poo is he whacked out on something. I think he's either on "real" drugs (coke) or he takes way too many of his supplements or both. There have definitely been times where he's been lower energy then went to the break and come back hopped up on something.
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I'm listening to the episodes in the week or so after the Texas trial at the moment, the two parter after Dan and Jordan get home specifically and I'm just curious if Jones ever did get any kind of consequences for essentially defaming the plaintiffs and the judge? Also if there's an existing precedent for repeated breaches of civil law in a specific fashion to become criminally tried?
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tsob posted:I'm listening to the episodes in the week or so after the Texas trial at the moment, the two parter after Dan and Jordan get home specifically and I'm just curious if Jones ever did get any kind of consequences for essentially defaming the plaintiffs and the judge? Also if there's an existing precedent for repeated breaches of civil law in a specific fashion to become criminally tried? I think it's fair to say bankston and massey bringing up Alex's broadcasts and pubic statements during the trial were crucial to the juries assigning so much in damages, it was clear he wasn't contrite and needed to be slapped hard. And yeah because of the judgements he is open to being sued for continuing to say that poo poo. He has to couch his accusations in fuzzy language and has responded to C&Ds and demands for retractions/apologies that have been sent his way in legalease that he tends to instantly invalidate. Getting sued again will gently caress him even harder, but, to Jordan's eternal point, Alex hasn't felt the full effect of his bankruptcies and liability yet. He has to keep doing the show and selling his supplements to pay for his debts to society, but I think most of us would rather he just be squelched. At least he can't really make a profit under his name or infowars anymore, but he's trying his darnedest to side step the judgements. Edit: oh your question was whether this could escalate to criminality. I don't know how that works exactly, but he is bound by law to stop defaming the plaintiffs and can easily be brought back in for a quick trial if he doesn't. ILL Machina fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jul 13, 2023 |
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ILL Machina posted:I think it's fair to say bankston and massey bringing up Alex's broadcasts and pubic statements Tee hee
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rotinaj posted:Tee hee ? Oh lol. It stays in ILL Machina fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jul 13, 2023 |
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I watched a recent video featuring youtuber lawyer Legal Eagle answering law questions and one of them made me think of Alex. Question: If I threaten my judge with death in the courtroom, aren't they now prejudiced against me and must be replaced? Answer: This is a great example of the difference between prejudice and undue prejudice. Courts are designed to prevent outside influence unfairly prejudicing the judge, the jury or anyone else. But what happens inside the courtroom is pretty much fair game. Don't threaten judges!
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Tree Dude posted:I think he's either on "real" drugs (coke) or he takes way too many of his supplements or both. While Alex did take his own supplements on camera once, the observable effect of it was... different. Not this, whatever it is. Then again, Alex's business model is such that if he could sell his listeners addictive drugs, he most certainly would.
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:MAD MAX TOE CUTTER SCENE Well that's lame. The dude dies because he took his eyes off the road.
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Dan mentioned Charlie Sheen having a bit of a rant on Alex's show at one point in an episode I listened to, and searching for the episode covering that prompted me to listen to a few older episodes, including Alex's interview with David Duke and Dan's breakdown of the similarities between Alex's stated beliefs and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and I'm a bit confused now; is Alex consciously using the idea of the Globalists as a smokescreen, or does he genuinely believe in them as well as just being anti-Semitic in general?
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tsob posted:is Alex consciously using the idea of the Globalists as a smokescreen, or does he genuinely believe in them as well as just being anti-Semitic in general? Yes.
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tsob posted:Dan mentioned Charlie Sheen having a bit of a rant on Alex's show at one point in an episode I listened to, and searching for the episode covering that prompted me to listen to a few older episodes, including Alex's interview with David Duke and Dan's breakdown of the similarities between Alex's stated beliefs and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and I'm a bit confused now; is Alex consciously using the idea of the Globalists as a smokescreen, or does he genuinely believe in them as well as just being anti-Semitic in general? You got an episode number for the latter to hand? I wouldn’t turn down relistening to that.
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