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Kestral posted:Stuff like this is why I haven't been able to play a Larian game despite their being two of my favorite things (RPGs and co-op). I was really hoping that BG3 was going to have a tone shift imposed from on high, but, uh, yeah. From what I've played in EA it really is far more tame. Once again, the amount of dialogue trees essentially saying "are you sure" needed to get to the bear sex scene means you will not see it unless it is what you want to see.
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Ash Rose posted:And yet, people make Paladins aggressively unhorny despite also having high charisma. And never horny will I be And if this sacred vow I break I pray the mods my Oaths to take Pickled Tink posted:One of the issues with the whole good/evil - paragon/renegade thing is that it is easy to present a single option as a good option to follow that is ethical and cool and works for all parties, but it is hard to have the same for bad people, since the goals and reasons for going against what is considered good and ethical is as wide and varied as the number of means for actually doing it.
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SilverMike posted:Probably. Anecdotally I remember bard players acting like that for quite a while now. I remember horny bard jokes in 2nd Ed.
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Jul 10, 2023 20:38
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Nessus posted:I remember this was an issue in Star Wars games, where with the exception of the two KOTOR games (themselves not exactly perfect, I never played them but I have heard) a lot of the choices could be analogized as "EAT ICE CREAM / KILL SPACE PRESIDENT." Oh my, no. KOTOR's binary Light Side/Dark Side choices were very much 'donate entire treasury to starving orphans/kick puppy in the incinerator.' KOTOR 2 wasn't BioWare so doesn't count and also we don't need to digress for five pages on Kreia: Good, Bad or Just Obnoxious Chris Avellone mouthpiece. SWTOR generally is also pretty binary but at least it leans into it with some of the classes where it's expected you'll play a cackling Force Lightning-throwing Sith sorcerer.
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Nessus posted:I remember this was an issue in Star Wars games, where with the exception of the two KOTOR games (themselves not exactly perfect, I never played them but I have heard) a lot of the choices could be analogized as "EAT ICE CREAM / KILL SPACE PRESIDENT." KOTOR 1 is alright about it, but this is the central point of KOTOR 2. Early on a character says “when you help people, you make them weaker and dependent on you” and you’re given several choices of how to respond to that, which are very useful for defining the character you’re playing. The game makes a point of saying that you can’t know everything that’s going to happen but you can try to influence events. I’m intentionally not going into spoiler stuff, but KOTOR 2 is 80% of a finished game and it’s still one of the best CRPGs made.
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Dawgstar posted:Oh my, no. KOTOR's binary Light Side/Dark Side choices were very much 'donate entire treasury to starving orphans/kick puppy in the incinerator.' KOTOR 2 wasn't BioWare so doesn't count and also we don't need to digress for five pages on Kreia: Good, Bad or Just Obnoxious Chris Avellone mouthpiece. SWTOR generally is also pretty binary but at least it leans into it with some of the classes where it's expected you'll play a cackling Force Lightning-throwing Sith sorcerer. There is the Trial on manaan where they Try to do shades of grey and the light side/dark side there is "Let a murderer face justice for killing a spy" and "Smear the sith enough that he's able to get off on a technicality"
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Kestral posted:Stuff like this is why I haven't been able to play a Larian game despite their being two of my favorite things (RPGs and co-op). I was really hoping that BG3 was going to have a tone shift imposed from on high, but, uh, yeah. Yeah I got the early access and the worst part about the game so far is how it forces you to gently caress bear after bear. So railroady. Why do all these actual bears keep diving for my hog?
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As long as they're not quantum bears.
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Apparently the character creator has a CP2077 style genitals editor.
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Kurieg posted:Apparently the character creator has a CP2077 style genitals editor. It's not a dick length slider, it's a toggle, so basically you can be trans.
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theironjef posted:Yeah I got the early access and the worst part about the game so far is how it forces you to gently caress bear after bear. So railroady. Why do all these actual bears keep diving for my hog? 30-50 feral bears on your genitals inside 2 minutes
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The game has a good mod community already I'm sure. Can't wait for the "every conversation tree ends with the person you're talking to wildshaping into a bear and blowing out your back walls again" mod.
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Dawgstar posted:Oh my, no. KOTOR's binary Light Side/Dark Side choices were very much 'donate entire treasury to starving orphans/kick puppy in the incinerator.' KOTOR 2 wasn't BioWare so doesn't count and also we don't need to digress for five pages on Kreia: Good, Bad or Just Obnoxious Chris Avellone mouthpiece. SWTOR generally is also pretty binary but at least it leans into it with some of the classes where it's expected you'll play a cackling Force Lightning-throwing Sith sorcerer. SWTOR varied wildly depending which story you were playing, and the planet storylines since those were separate.
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theironjef posted:Yeah I got the early access and the worst part about the game so far is how it forces you to gently caress bear after bear. So railroady. Why do all these actual bears keep diving for my hog? I don’t particularly care about the bear thing being an optional romance, people have pretty well covered my opinion that it’s in a fantasy setting between two consenting adults, so who cares. I’m annoyed that Larian’s sense of humor seems to have been ported over from their other games, because it’s pervasive and it undermines my enjoyment of every other thing they’ve made.
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Kestral posted:I don’t particularly care about the bear thing being an optional romance, people have pretty well covered my opinion that it’s in a fantasy setting between two consenting adults, so who cares. I’m annoyed that Larian’s sense of humor seems to have been ported over from their other games, because it’s pervasive and it undermines my enjoyment of every other thing they’ve made. Just embrace the bear
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Just a shame the BG series will forever be known as "that series that lets you gently caress a bear" now.
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in a series that has Edwina in it i don't the bear even moves the needle on unfortunate writing decisions
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If there isn't a bear dating ttrpg on itch already then I have to ask what the gently caress the lgbtq ttrpg scene are waiting for. Move over Thirsty Sword Lesbians, it's time for Horny Wildshape Druids.
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Some days you get the bugbear, other days the bear fucks you.
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 Bears are beasts, ergo
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ToB included a bhaalspawn chicken. Bhaal hosed the chicken.
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Terrible Opinions posted:ToB included a bhaalspawn chicken. Bhaal hosed the chicken. Given Bhaal's plan was basically just "once all my kids die I'll be ressurrected " he should've hosed nothing but chickens.
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admanb posted:Given Bhaal's plan was basically just "once all my kids die I'll be ressurrected " he should've hosed nothing but chickens. too long for a thread title
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TG as an Industry: Bhaal should've hosed nothing but chickens should probably fit.
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Randalor posted:Just a shame the BG series will forever be known as "that series that lets you gently caress a bear" now. Leperflesh posted:I'm playing a game right now called The Long Dark and although the campaign mode of the game really doesn't seem to be about making good vs. evil choices, a recent one showed up that reminded me why these sorts of things are so often frustrating. A seemingly small choice is not signaled clearly to the player as "this is the bad choice" but then an unavoidable consequence happens that makes you feel super bad. In this case, minor spoilers for what I think is a side plot in act 3: How did you feel about that stupid Spec OPs The Line game people were overpraising over for how deep it was because you have to fend off an attack from generic middle easterners and then the game is like "ACTUALLY THOSE WERE ALL CIVILIANS YOU SICK gently caress! I BET YOU FEEL LIKE A BIG PIECE OF poo poo NOW!" And then people brought up the only criticism "You literally made a game where you can't not use white phosphorous against civilians and then bitched us out for it." And the devs were like "Ahhh you could have walked away at any time, so uh, it's still a deep statement! Or something! Just don't play through the game you bought for 60$!"
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:How did you feel about that stupid Spec OPs The Line game people were overpraising over for how deep it was because you have to fend off an attack from generic middle easterners and then the game is like "ACTUALLY THOSE WERE ALL CIVILIANS YOU SICK gently caress! I BET YOU FEEL LIKE A BIG PIECE OF poo poo NOW!" I love that in commenting on a fairly nuanced post about good/bad decisions and their consequences you managed to deliver just the dullest possible read of a legitimately interesting (and cleverly-delivered) video game story.
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admanb posted:I love that in commenting on a fairly nuanced post about good/bad decisions and their consequences you managed to deliver just the dullest possible read of a legitimately interesting (and cleverly-delivered) video game story. I actually refunded the game at that point. After the poo poo I had seen in real life, I was not going to be a party to it in a game.
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In industry news: No more A Thousand Thousand Islands. Zedeck: https://cohost.org/zedecksiew/post/1977950-statement-regarding Mun Kao: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/centaurgames/reach-of-the-roach-god-part-of-a-thousand-thousand-islands/posts/3844724
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JMBosch posted:In industry news: No more A Thousand Thousand Islands. It's not clear that there will be no more ATTI. It's clear that that's what Zedeck wants, but he doesn't seem to have the power to actually make that happen.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:How did you feel about that stupid Spec OPs The Line game people were overpraising Never played it. Don't think I've even heard of it, to be honest. I generally have no interest in that genre of wargame. Bit too real for me. But "you can't avoid doing war crimes" doesn't sound like a fun time anyway.
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yeah I generally think games should be better about content warnings, and have them available without purchasing the game. especially in situations where like you can't easily avoid the specific content, I enjoyed Spec-Ops it was trying something different in an era where very little coming out of the mainstream space was trying to do anything like it. It had it's flaws. It was really dumb that if you do actually pick up on what the game was trying to get you to do it won't let you proceed without doing the bad thing and then saying lmao you did this bad thing you should feel bad, which is always one of my pet peeves about these types of games, as if there is any choice involved. But generally respect the attempt, at trying to do something other than every other military shooter out at the time. Leperflesh posted:Never played it. Don't think I've even heard of it, to be honest. I generally have no interest in that genre of wargame. Bit too real for me. But "you can't avoid doing war crimes" doesn't sound like a fun time anyway. It's interesting, if you ever get bored I do recommend reading some crit/write ups on the game. Dexo fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jul 11, 2023 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:It's not clear that there will be no more ATTI. It's clear that that's what Zedeck wants, but he doesn't seem to have the power to actually make that happen.
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Dexo posted:I enjoyed Spec-Ops it was trying something different in an era where very little coming out of the mainstream space was trying to do anything like it.  It's also got some of my favorite use of intentionally insane video game geometry, where you keep going down and down and down in ways that make less and less sense as the game goes on.
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I feel Spec Ops gets misunderstood a bit given there seems to be a theme that the protagonist of the game is the one continually choosing to do horrible poo poo and acting like he has no choice even when it goes directly against his actual mission.
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Far Cry 3 came out a couple months after Spec Ops and did the same thing but better, but that's not really saying much. Pointing out how violent and cuh-razy video game violence while you just keep on doing it with no choice is not very interesting because the game still has to do exactly what it criticizes to be engaging. Pretty much every AA+ mil shooter was textually against US war in the middle east, by 2011 it's not some new and nuanced statement, it's actually kinda stupid.
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Hotline Miami did all of this but in a good game
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Edit: Hotline Miami 1 does infact own tho yes.Panzeh posted:
This is like factually not true lol Unless you think like the CoD's and BF's are textually against war. While glorifying hard men who make hard decisions. Also Far Cry 3 while imo a significantly better game, I don't think is anywhere near as narratively interesting as Spec Ops.
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what i found most annoying about spec ops was that the tone of the discussion around it seemed to center around it being an important lesson to like, FPS gamers. it came off as one of those works of "satire" that people like because they don't think it's targeted toward themselves, so it doesn't make them uncomfortable.
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It's 2023 and Spec Ops' "You may not have wanted things to turn out this way but they did and you have to deal with it" still pisses people off like it's a /v/ thread, incredible. Nobody in Dubai wanted to be a baby-killing villain. Not Delta Force, not the 33rd, not the CIA agents, and sure as poo poo not the poor Afghan workers and local survivors. The real villains are long gone and you can't ever touch them. But good intentions alone don't make you a hero. I find it an interesting plot, and I think making things yet another Mass Effect-esque "save the puppy/disembowel the puppy and spray the guts with pepper spray" bundle of decisions would've turned it into... a Mass Effect clone, the power fantasy of "MY choices are objectively correct."
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