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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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KomradeX posted:We didn't close the skies when Ukraine was begging that a No-Fly Zone was the only way they could win against the Russians Remember Hillary's plans for a no fly zone in Syria? No fly zones are easy to implement and cause no problems
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Jul 11, 2023 16:30
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Orange Devil posted:Yeah but it gains them ground, and the stated strategic objective is recovering all occupied Ukrainian land no matter the cost, so this seems like the best shot they've got at achieving that goal. Exactly right. I just can’t tell what’s the Political imperative, Ukrainian military imperative, or NATO imperative. Despite the sterotypes about the first world war and generals trying to move their desks inches closer to Germany, the calculus was always damaging the German Army as much as possible at as little cost to themselves. Sometimes this was hoped to be a breakthrough, but often enough just a break-in or wearing battle. The Hundred Days vindicated this concept - territory was taken at an incredible rate once the German Army had been shattered. But here, they are trying to take territory with a massive disadvantage in firepower, which means they are massively losing the battle of attrition. I guess their hope is Russian casualty avoidance and their conscripting everyone with the appropriate chromosomes, by press gang now, means they will win the battle of attrition that way, but that seems like a Political calculation. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 16:39 on Jul 11, 2023 |
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Jul 11, 2023 16:31
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drat when conditions are met, I wonder if the conditions are retake all the territory theyve lost
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Jul 11, 2023 16:31
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Honest Thief posted:he did say that ever since being a total war player he's been interest in wars and now he's witnessing irl Total War games have a morale system so maybe he only plays on Easy difficulty.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:32
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Orange Devil posted:Yeah but it gains them ground, and the stated strategic objective is recovering all occupied Ukrainian land no matter the cost, so this seems like the best shot they've got at achieving that goal. It doesn't work because than Russia retakes those obliterated forward positions and Ukraine doesn't have the firepower power to blast them out and the end result is nothing moves but whole Ukrianian units now only exsist in name only from attrition
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Jul 11, 2023 16:32
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Frosted Flake posted:Guerrilla Warfare Exercise In West Virginia Looks Heavily Influenced By Ukraine War: The latest iteration of the U.S. military’s Ridge Runner drills include Russian SAMs and apparent enemy suicide drone launch teams. Really appreciate that saint george ribbon marking for extra "authenticity".
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Jul 11, 2023 16:32
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Nato panel coming on specifically about reevaluating nato's relationship with china
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Jul 11, 2023 16:35
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Frosted Flake posted:Easy enough to see it’s a strategy that benefits NATO, but again, why the gently caress did the Ukrainians sign off on this, even in principle? You can see it’s a losing proposition over any timeframe. its because the ukrainian leadership know that they'll have lifetime sinecures and french riviera villas waiting for them as long as they're good little compradors, hth
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Jul 11, 2023 16:35
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Frosted Flake posted:Well, no, because they hollowed out their states to the point where A) they can’t win, and B) there is no motivation to fight and die for them. the plan is to keep escalating until either russia/china breaks, or they do. the system that forms the power base of the western ruling class is in a deviation state and heading for collapse, and the only way to restore stability is by breaking and integrating russia and/or china. otherwise, the ship will capsize. possible defeat is still a better alternative for the western ruling class than certain collapse.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:35
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MRAPs. The empire’s mobile oppression bunkers. Built to harass populations into figuring out what the empire wanted. The empire didn’t know. Now they’re loaded full of conscripts for suicide missions because the empire’s servants think this is what the empire wants. Machines built with a startling absence of purpose.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:37
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Frosted Flake posted:Exactly right. The stated objective very specifically has to be "no matter the cost" btw, because as soon as you set a limit to what you are willing to accept you'd have to consider how much you'd lose versus how much you'd lose when pursueing the alternative (ie. negotiating a peace deal with Russia) and that is going to make a negotiated peace look like the vastly more sane approach every time. So everybody has got to be in all the way all the time and anything less than that is basically treason.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:38
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Cerebral Bore posted:its because the ukrainian leadership know that they'll have lifetime sinecures and french riviera villas waiting for them as long as they're good little compradors, hth Idk I’m weak on the ideological component because this is antithetical to how I was trained: devastate the Afghan countryside, no Canadian gets their hair mussed. Yes, neoliberalism meant I had to keep receipts and the optics had to look restrained, both financially and in discrimination, discretion, humanitarian concerns, but in any situation where Canadians were really in danger: Anaconda, Medusa, White School, they expended hundreds of millions of dollars of ordnance and JP8.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:39
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Frosted Flake posted:Manoeuvre-and-fire. You use MRAPs to close on enemy positions because you don't have enough artillery to do the fire half, or enough infantry weapons to direct fire, then the enemy destroys the position. You then feed new conscripts into the battle and receive new MRAPs from your sponsors - as long as they think you are damaging their geopolitical rival by taking those trenches. Suicide bombing is an objectively successful method because it yanks your k/d ratio way up and you can ruin some important assets. In this case they're sticking their own asses out to bait Russian artillery into destroying assets that can be rebuilt with a shovel, and they're only killing themselves.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:39
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https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1678784900282064896?s=20quote:It’s official: a coalition for F-16 training of the Ukrainian Air Force has been formed!
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Jul 11, 2023 16:42
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Frosted Flake posted:Destroying enemy entrenchments not with your own artillery (which you don’t have) but by having them obliterate your men occupying them is hardly using their own weapons against them. It’s having them use their weapons against you, and destroying some trenches (again, which are filled with your men) in the process. are we actually sure this is a strategy someone really decided on and not a dumbass desperately spinning a bunch of failed assaults as brilliant innovative tactics
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Jul 11, 2023 16:43
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Frosted Flake posted:Idk I’m weak on the ideological component because this is antithetical to how I was trained: devastate the Afghan countryside, no Canadian gets their hair mussed. Yes, neoliberalism meant I had to keep receipts and the optics had to look restrained, both financially and in discrimination, discretion, humanitarian concerns, but in any situation where Canadians were really in danger: Anaconda, Medusa, White School, they expended hundreds of millions of dollars of ordnance and JP8. Yeah uhh I dunno how to say this nicely but my guy when it comes down to it you are a tool of the western ruling class and they will expend you without a second thought. Which is what they are doing to everyone (volunteered or pressganged into) Ukrainian service right now. They don't give a gently caress about your life. Not mine either, but you voluntarily made it easier for them to use yours all the way up if they think they can gain something from it.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:43
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Frosted Flake posted:I'm assuming you guys don't watch 90 Day Fiancee or Match Me Abroad on TLC? poor guy in basement if parents lovely house in Nebraska: I met a woman in Colombia literally every family member and friend: aren’t you worried she’s just stealing your money and American citizenship????
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Jul 11, 2023 16:45
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Orange Devil posted:The stated objective very specifically has to be "no matter the cost" btw, because as soon as you set a limit to what you are willing to accept you'd have to consider how much you'd lose versus how much you'd lose when pursueing the alternative (ie. negotiating a peace deal with Russia) and that is going to make a negotiated peace look like the vastly more sane approach every time. These are all easy calculations because the stakes are minimal if Ukraine loses anyway, but if we settle for a negotiated peace then it directly undermines the entire narrative that supported the war.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:46
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Ardennes posted:Is that picture of the dudes with cargo shorts real or did they actually did slip in a pic from 2002 to see if anyone would notice? I’m embarrassed to admit that from my long time here I’ve seen enough goonlulz threads to tell you that half of those are goon meets
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Jul 11, 2023 16:47
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them being goon meets doesn’t preclude those exact people from being at the NAFO summit tho
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Jul 11, 2023 16:48
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Frosted Flake posted:Idk I’m weak on the ideological component because this is antithetical to how I was trained: devastate the Afghan countryside, no Canadian gets their hair mussed. Yes, neoliberalism meant I had to keep receipts and the optics had to look restrained, both financially and in discrimination, discretion, humanitarian concerns, but in any situation where Canadians were really in danger: Anaconda, Medusa, White School, they expended hundreds of millions of dollars of ordnance and JP8. thats because dead canadians are a political liability at home, whereas dead ukrainians are a feelgood story but as mentioned, if push came to shove they'd feed you all into the meatgrinder as well
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Jul 11, 2023 16:49
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lol 90 Day Fiancee: NAFO Edition
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Jul 11, 2023 16:50
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Mr Hootington posted:The pm of the neatherlands said nato needs to fight Russia in Ukraine or they will be fighting Russia in Europe. Well, that it, Ukraine lost, they're official not Europe.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:53
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:These are all easy calculations because the stakes are minimal if Ukraine loses anyway, but if we settle for a negotiated peace then it directly undermines the entire narrative that supported the war. the cost of ukrainian defeat is negligible in a vacuum, but the cost of failing to break russia and china is collapse of the western bourgeois project, and the ruling class will not allow that no matter the cost.
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Frosted Flake posted:Idk I’m weak on the ideological component because this is antithetical to how I was trained: devastate the Afghan countryside, no Canadian gets their hair mussed. Yes, neoliberalism meant I had to keep receipts and the optics had to look restrained, both financially and in discrimination, discretion, humanitarian concerns, but in any situation where Canadians were really in danger: Anaconda, Medusa, White School, they expended hundreds of millions of dollars of ordnance and JP8. related to that - the article you published yesterday had this quote Frosted Flake posted:The Russians, who are much more sensitive to losses in manpower, try to avoid close ("contact") battles and, when the Ukrainians go to their trenches, withdraw, leaving the artillery to destroy the enemy. I’m no military man but this reads to me like “Russians value their soldiers lives and Ukrainians don’t” and I don’t know how that can be spun as a positive
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gradenko_2000 posted:lol 90 Day Fiancee: NAFO Edition fuckkkkk …. I’d watch it :|
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Four score years ago, a great Ukrainian, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Proclamation of the Ukrainian state with the words, "Glory to the heroic German army and its Führer, Adolf Hitler".
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Jul 11, 2023 16:55
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Vomik posted:related to that - the article you published yesterday had this quote the cowardly orc will not sacrifice his life for no gain, and this proves his fundamental lack of willpower
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RealityWarCriminal posted:https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1678699399570939904 uhhh Mr Hootington posted:The pm of the neatherlands said nato needs to fight Russia in Ukraine or they will be fighting Russia in Europe. uhhhhhhhhhhh 
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Jul 11, 2023 16:57
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Zodium posted:the cost of ukrainian defeat is negligible in a vacuum, but the cost of failing to break russia and china is collapse of the western bourgeois project, and the ruling class will not allow that no matter the cost. The western bourgeois project undermined itself by isolating pariah states and allowing them to develop their own national bourgeois. That ship sailed a decade ago. What we're talking about is something even more ideological, and stupid.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:57
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Lostconfused posted:Well, that it, Ukraine lost, they're official not Europe. when Ukraine loses suddenly the entire nato command will be filled exclusively with the losing generals of Ukraine
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Jul 11, 2023 16:57
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Wait, I thought they already had training arrangements for UA pilots and were quibbling over who was going to supply the F-16s. Are they just now signing a memorandum to someday set up a school, with the question of the F-16s themselves still unsettled? Are they planning for the Spring '24 offensive?
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Jul 11, 2023 16:59
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euphronius posted:why is this liberal equivocation important to determining if a state of war existed If you don't call it a war in paper you can wage all the war you want. It's only war if Congress says it's war, sometimes Cambodia just ends up bombed can't explain that.
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Jul 11, 2023 16:59
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Cambodia-involved bombing.
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Jul 11, 2023 17:00
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Died *with* war, not *of* war
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Jul 11, 2023 17:02
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Omfg is that a MLK quote to enhance the optics of selling war material.
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Jul 11, 2023 17:06
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It's only a war if it comes from the traditionally war-producing regions of Congress. Otherwise it's merely a sparkling conflict. The sparkles are white phosphorus.
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Jul 11, 2023 17:11
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I know we brought up Verdun and Przemysl, is it possible they were banking on this happening at the main Russian line of fortification? Strategic defences Russia would have to fight over and would be left strategically vulnerable if they were pulverized into uselessness would justify this approach, Galicia was not tenable without Przemysl, that corner of the French hexagon is indefensible without Verdun.
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Jul 11, 2023 17:12
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:loving hell I thought you were talking about the NAFO meeting, not actual NATO. Given how the NATO meeting has gone thus far, they might as well be the same thing
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:loving hell I thought you were talking about the NAFO meeting, not actual NATO. this is why it is mandated that the nafo fellas have to wear propeller beanies
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