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BiggerBoat posted:Say what now? I was with you up until that last part there. Can you elaborate on why you think they have "no cultural influence?" Obviously it's a ridiculous statement when all fifty states have police and poo poo. But you live in perhaps the second whackiest state in the union. It's not even representative of most red states.
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Mister Fister posted:2) Personally, i think gay people did a lot better job of making their case, rather than throwing invective, they were more than happy to debate their case and did a great job. The trans debate is far more acrimonious. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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One of the main drivers of home ownership costs in Florida is due to the free market speaking. Very few insurance companies want to insure any of this poo poo that's gonna be totally underwater by 2030. Conservatives can deny climate change and sea level rise all they want but Prudential and AllState have other opinions.
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Jul 12, 2023 01:35
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FizFashizzle posted:The biggest factor driving the sustained success of the bud light boycott (on the right) is there is no difference, in taste or effort to obtain, between bud lite, coors lite, Miller lite etc. it’s as easy as moving their arm a foot in a direction when they go to pick up beer. It's literally this + InBevs initial freakout giving the right sound bites so they could crow about the success endlessly for weeks on all channels they blast on to keep reminding people to buy something else while at the same time making a lot of LGBT+ and allies go "ew" to the response so they got hit on both sides. They're still hilariously successful and at worst for the company, InBev is gonna shuffle around how much of what gets made in what vats as the market finds its new equilibrium. The right got lucky and capitalized on it, which is what their entire apparatus is designed to do! They throw poo poo at the wall relentlessly until something sticks and then they attack that weak point until something gives and they can re-entrench themselves somewhere else. They got lucky with judges dying/Trump winning and now we have a hell court that has been pushing an extremist agenda aggressively that is signaling to right states to just make up loving cases to throw their way to rewrite how the government works. Its a big nothing burger and everything at the same time, the fundamental nature of the reactionary. It works and it sucks that it does!
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Jul 12, 2023 02:05
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Do the people buying homes in Florida think that global warming is fake?
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Jul 12, 2023 02:06
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I AM GRANDO posted:Do the people buying homes in Florida think that global warming is fake? It's probably the equivalent of buying shares in the face-eating leopards business; won't happen to me!
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I AM GRANDO posted:Do the people buying homes in Florida think that global warming is fake? Yes. There's a reason The Pines is like the most Republican place in the whole drat country. Also they all they they'll be dead before it happens which, I mean, statistically
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yes. There's a reason The Pines is like the most Republican place in the whole drat country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbsHpe7FyC8
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yes. There's a reason The Pines is like the most Republican place in the whole drat country. Are there any old fart wars brewing over Desantis v Trump? I remember the Trump parades at the Villages and the old fuckers yelling White Power from their golf carts in 2020, I wasn't sure if the old folks are still all aboard the Trump Train.
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VorpalBunny posted:Are there any old fart wars brewing over Desantis v Trump? I remember the Trump parades at the Villages and the old fuckers yelling White Power from their golf carts in 2020, I wasn't sure if the old folks are still all aboard the Trump Train. Trump is currently leading DeSantis by 20 points in Florida, so nah, it's a lock for Trump in spite of any fantasies about GOP battles. Trump has that same margin among 65+, but among xers his margin over DeSantis is 26 points, lol.  eta: And among zoomers, Trump's beating DeSantis by almost 30 points. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Jul 12, 2023 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Wouldn't that be the case for Charmin toilet paper? Or that not purchasing baseball tickets and traveling to attend a baseball game is significantly less effort and cheaper than doing it? For Charmin, I just don't think anyone cares that much about toilet paper. Unless you're into scat or something, nobody wants to know what you're wiping your rear end with or even imagine you on the can. For baseball tickets/attending the games, the problem there is that then the would-be boycotters are depriving themselves of something they ostensibly enjoy. Going to games can be fun, even just sitting at home and watching can be a good time. Whereas, again, with the beer, there is literally no deprivation. There are a dozen other beers on the very same shelf that will get you just as drunk. You miss literally nothing.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Isn't that the same case with shopping at Dick's Sporting Goods, Charmin, or the LA Dodgers? It seems like it would be extremely easy to not shop at Dick's, grab a different toilet paper roll, or not buy tickets to a baseball game. But, those boycotts all sort of fizzled out without any impact. I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Who was boycotting Charmin, and why? I've never even heard of it. Hell, even Google is barely giving me anything. Look at this poo poo:  That's literally page 1 of the Google results (I cropped out the auto-answer bits because they were even more useless than these results). The first result Google returns is a high school newspaper article, the second result is a CBS article saying environmentalists were boycotting it in 2019, and the third result is a fifteen-year-old page on some meganerd's personal website about boycotting Koch Industries products. That said, I hope you can tell from this that the question "who was boycotting Charmin" is a rhetorical one, because the answer is pretty clearly "not much of anyone". There's jack poo poo for coverage on it, which suggests that the boycott campaign had little real reach in the first place.
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Willa Rogers posted:Trump is currently leading DeSantis by 20 points in Florida, so nah, it's a lock for Trump in spite of any fantasies about GOP battles. Trump is leading with enbies by over 40 points!
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I AM GRANDO posted:Do the people buying homes in Florida think that global warming is fake? Regardless of their beliefs in global warming, most people don't actually think that far into the future when buying a house now. Most home owners are looking at houses as slightly longer term decisions than purchasing a new car. The national average for how long people live in their home is around 13 years. Outside people buying literal beach front property, we're still more than 1 house stay away from the oceans swallowing Florida. Also people are absolutely terrible at correcting factoring in long term risk when making decisions. California mountains have been burying houses in mudslides for longer than I've been alive, yet hill top houses are still selling at a premium. My yard would never lose structural cohesion, due to earthquake or water saturation, and send my house to the bottom of this beautiful cliff! Edit: On the topic of why the Budlight boycott worked when almost all others failed, the answer is identity. All the other brands have consumers who use them, but not consumers who identify as consumers of the product. People go to Dick's for lots of reasons, but nobody makes going to Dick's a part of their identity. However there is a small but noticable group of people who have Bud Light consumption as part of their identity. So when their identity is under attack by terrible woke corporations, they actually stick with a boycott. This is reinforced by the fact that BudLight drinking is a social event where people who identify as Budlight drinkers get together and virtue signal to each other through conspicuous consumption. Gyges fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Jul 12, 2023 |
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koolkal posted:Trump is leading with enbies by over 40 points! All three of them who made up the sample, no doubt.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Do the people buying homes in Florida think that global warming is fake? I'd imagine a significant number of home sales are to large institutions that will expect the government to reimburse them for their losses. Similar to banks giving out bad loans prior to the great recession.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Do the people buying homes in Florida think that global warming is fake? Aquaman knows a good investment when he sees it.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Wouldn't that be the case for Charmin toilet paper? Or that not purchasing baseball tickets and traveling to attend a baseball game is significantly less effort and cheaper than doing it? I think it's a social thing, and beer is more amenable to peer pressure. Nobody knows what kind of toilet paper you buy without you telling them or them poking around your bathroom. People notice what others are drinking, and I'll be willing to bet that fear of someone saying "Bud Light? What are you, queer?" drives sales down. Mister Fister posted:Well, i'm not that old to remember stonewall, i just remember the my time as a student who fought for gay rights the amount of acrimony surrounding gay marriage, until it was finally passed. It was far far less than the trans rights movement because even lots of normies thought it was dumb that gay marriage wasn't allowed. The trans rights movement is quite a bit different than the gay rights movement because there's friction even within feminists and the gay community over certain aspects of the trans rights movement that people on the left are uncomfortable talking about (but it's there). You should read a bit more about LGBT history, because it sounds like you grew up after Stonewall, White Night, Act Up, etc. etc. when a lot of the early fighting for acceptance was done. Reading about what happened before your time might change your opinion. The stance you're taking is pretty ignorant.
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Willa Rogers posted:It's going to come to a shock, but in a country of 330 million people a lot of them have stupid opinions. just want to note that you went from "who said anything about boycotts????' to "there's no evidence of an organized plot..."
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Mister Fister posted:2) Personally, i think gay people did a lot better job of making their case, rather than throwing invective, they were more than happy to debate their case and did a great job. The trans debate is far more acrimonious. To add some content here, you're also factually wrong here, as there's tons of information available to contradict you, specifically how confrontational ACT UP was during the height of AIDS, and the fact that stonewall was literally a riot and a trans person threw the first brick at the cops. But also, in addition to the factual content of this post, gently caress you, you earn this acrimony (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I AM GRANDO posted:Do the people buying homes in Florida think that global warming is fake? They're just keeping the old swamp real estate joke alive.
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Consider me informed:quote:The most recent survey shows the percentage of Florida Republicans who believe climate change is real has doubled to 88% since 2019. https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/environment/2021-12-08/belief-in-climate-change-is-growing-among-florida-republicans-an-fau-survey-shows Honestly kind of shocked it's above 50%. Not too terribly long ago, Rush Limbaugh and the gang were calling it bs.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Tuberville takes one step forward and two steps back on "clarifying" his comments about white nationalism. It's very likely both. White supremacists are famously often dumb as gently caress but literally their entire ideology is deliberately incoherent, contradictory and made to provide a patina on hatred and entitlement. They act confused and worried to deflect anger, and get credulous fence-sitters and decorumites to come to their defence and give them the benefit of the doubt, and then go back to spewing the same hatred the moment they think they can get away with it.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's very likely both. White supremacists are famously often dumb as gently caress but literally their entire ideology is deliberately incoherent, contradictory and made to provide a patina on hatred and entitlement. They act confused and worried to deflect anger, and get credulous fence-sitters and decorumites to come to their defence and give them the benefit of the doubt, and then go back to spewing the same hatred the moment they think they can get away with it. The stuff about fascist rhetoric and ideology being deliberately incoherent is true, but in Tuberville’s case I think he’s just really stupid. I get the sense he started throwing around a term he’s heard his staffers, handlers, RWM, whoever use and when he got asked about it didn’t know what the gently caress to say. Then he gets cornered and says ludicrous poo poo like “white nationalists aren’t racist” while he’s desperately looking for an exit. I don’t know how much to make of him being a former college football coach (I already do it a lot), and I know at least a few folks in here know nothing about CFB, but once you’ve been a head coach of a major college program (Tuberville was for three different ones) you’re basically set for life. If you lose too many games and get fired, your contract almost certainly has a buyout and you get paid for the years you don’t coach, and some other school will inevitably hire you when they fire their coach ‘cause hey, you’ve got a recognizable name and experience! All that to say, I have no clue why Tuberville chose to pursue a Senatorship. He sure doesn’t act like a true-believing demagogue. Grift? Again, being a bad CFB coach is loving easy street. Which further points me in the direction of “he’s a total dumbass.”
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Darko posted:Barber shops often have set clientele already and get a lot of referral based business. Pandering with or agreeing to a certain type of client probably won't really hurt your business. Plus they are EXTREMELY local-based in most instances. There's also the issue that hair places have a very long history of being segregated by both gender and race to the point where it's still considered very normal to do so. The vast majority of places still price "men's" and "women's" haircuts differently and I can only think of one place near me that has explicitly gone to gender neutral pricing. This was extremely annoying when I had long hair and a beard but couldn't find a single person to style and groom both.
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BiggerBoat posted:Consider me informed: Is this encouraging evidence that once your city starts flooding constantly then reality can pierce the petro-regressive propaganda bubble a little?
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Failed Imagineer posted:Is this encouraging evidence that once your city starts flooding constantly then reality can pierce the petro-regressive propaganda bubble a little? No, not really. I was just surprised the % of republicans conceding that climate change is real is that high.
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Tuberville does just seem really dumb. Like most of his equally bigoted piece of poo poo peers in the GOP are much better at managing the messaging, but Tuberville gets himself stuck arguing himself into a hole in the most idiot way possible because he can't think his way around this poo poo.
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BiggerBoat posted:No, not really. I was just surprised the % of republicans conceding that climate change is real is that high. A lot will probably flat out say it's real and only Trump can solve it.
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It's too implausible to say that climate change doesn't exist when we're already +1.1C, so they've mostly shifted to "it's not that big of a deal." I've even seen "it's good, actually."
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Failed Imagineer posted:Is this encouraging evidence that once your city starts flooding constantly then reality can pierce the petro-regressive propaganda bubble a little? Not particularly because for a lot of them their argument shifts from "Climate change isn't real" to "Climate change is real but it's a natural process, not man-made".
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Willa Rogers posted:All three of them who made up the sample, no doubt. That's the weighted frequency - unweighted says 8. Looks like they got 1 Ramaswamy, 2 DeSantis, 5 Trump, and the percentages got a little rejiggered from the weighting.
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Chemtrailologist posted:I'd imagine a significant number of home sales are to large institutions that will expect the government to reimburse them for their losses. Similar to banks giving out bad loans prior to the great recession. Bold of you to assume that individual home owners don't expect the government to bail them out when the home they got in an uninsurable area gets (shock!) destroyed by a disaster.
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New CPI Inflation/Wage report out today looks surprisingly good. - Gas and energy prices (the previous biggest sector driving inflation) have mostly settled. - Rent (one of the biggest current drivers of inflation) has finally decreased a small amount instead of rising. - Food prices (one of the areas that has consistently risen faster than average) rose only 0.1%. They still remain fairly elevated, but have started to see real price drops for the median American for the first time in 1.5 years. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1679108178821148674 https://twitter.com/byHeatherLong/status/1679110659399614465 https://twitter.com/jeannasmialek/status/1679108069421113345 quote:Inflation data released on Wednesday showed a pronounced cooling and offered some of the most hopeful news since the Federal Reserve began trying to tame rapid price increases 16 months ago.
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Also, related to the earlier Florida talk: Farmer's insurance announced today that it will pull out of Florida entirely. They were a relatively small portion of the insurance market there, but due to their small size and the ever increasing amount of payouts they had to do for hurricane related damages to cars and homes, they pulled out of the state entirely rather than remain unable to compete on premiums and also taking the risk of getting wiped out if there were several major hurricanes in a year. quote:Farmers Insurance pulls out of Florida, affecting 100,000 policyholders https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/12/business/farmers-insurance-florida/index.html
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Wonder how Desantis is going to pitch the expansion of their means-tested public insurance program
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Tiny Timbs posted:Wonder how Desantis is going to pitch the expansion of their means-tested public insurance program By "means-tested" you mean that the state will only insure homes worth more than $1mm right?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, related to the earlier Florida talk: We are Farmers! Done, donedonedone done done done (in Florida)
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