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Zamujasa posted:Sooo about $300k/year, plus or minus some change. At least it was books and not random expensive vacations? Agreed it’s not as bad but it’s still a lot of money for personal enrichment, and using her office and staff to make the book sales is a misuse of resources. The mayor of Baltimore got busted for a similar scheme but it was more egregious.
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I'm aware, it's just another sign that the court is a corrupt disaster. There's just not much else to say about it; the court has decided that "checks and balances" refers to their bank account and there doesn't seem to be a lot anyone can (or is willing to) do about it.
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Maybe they should pay the Justices 10mil a peice for the rest of their lives?
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Maybe they should let the justices shoot a man in Reno just to watch him die?
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Zamujasa posted:the court has decided that "checks and balances" refers to their bank account Stealing this. $300k/yr is plenty of money, if you're trying to gift more on top of that it's not going to matter if you have a higher salary, you're going to keep grifting.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Justice Sotomayor's staff urged schools and libraries to buy her memoir or kid's books I worked for a real rear end in a top hat at a really nice restaurant. Even he understood this and every employee was allowed a full dinner before the shift started off a list of certain entrees and could end the shift with glass of wine and soup and garlic bread. He had a very loyal staff even though he was a huge pain in the neck to work under.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Justice Sotomayor's staff urged schools and libraries to buy her memoir or kid's books I'm reminded of my old company hiring a "sleep specialist" to investigate high levels of churn and sick leave, as well as complaints about exhaustion. Said sleep specialist gave me an Oura ring to monitor my sleep, which turned up the revelation that... I wasn't getting enough sleep, especially on days when I was expected to swap between AM and PM shifts, which also had a knock on effect to the rest of the week. Which is word for word what we had been complaining about.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm reminded of my old company hiring a "sleep specialist" to investigate high levels of churn and sick leave, as well as complaints about exhaustion.
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speaking in general and not for that poster in specific, but,stealie72 posted:So, did anything change? 
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Zamujasa posted:speaking in general and not for that poster in specific, but,
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stealie72 posted:So, did anything change? Yes, I quit.
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Or more accurately, I was off on medical leave for a month suffering from burnout, and tendered my resignation in disgust when they messaged me asking when they could put me on the roster again as it was frustrating for them to have to keep guessing.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Yes, I quit. My man
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The DOJ has said they are no longer certifying that Trump was acting within the scope of his office when he defamed E. Jean Carroll, thwarting his attempts to delay or stop the case.
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A.o.D. posted:They're really earning that Klanned Karenhood nickname, aren't they? Jesus f  Elendil004 posted:A friend suggested the Minivan Taliban This also deserves love.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Justice Sotomayor's staff urged schools and libraries to buy her memoir or kid's books I have a better idea: SCOTUS judgeships are no longer lifelong appointments. The Court is expanded to 13 seats- one for each Circuit court- and the justices are appointed on a rolling basis for 4 or 6 year terms, with 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13 being appointed in one year and 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 being appointed the next. At the end of their term, the justices go back to their original circuit. They get paid their original circuit salary (plus a COL bump for DC), and that's it. It's time that the US quit treating federal judges and SCOTUS justices as non-elected demigods. The system of checks and balances is way out of wack and favors whichever party has appointed the most federal judges, with SCOTUS justices as the grand prize. We need to loving end that and make the judiciary as boring and technocratic as possible.
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Elviscat posted:Stealing this. $300k is a lot of money, but it's still quaint compared to the truly wealthy. I don't think that's close to the point of diminishing returns for dissuading temptation.
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Jarmak posted:$300k is a lot of money, but it's still quaint compared to the truly wealthy. I don't think that's close to the point of diminishing returns for dissuading temptation. Which of the "truly wealthy" have decided that enough is enough and they don't try to grab more?
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Jarmak posted:$300k is a lot of money, but it's still quaint compared to the truly wealthy. I don't think that's close to the point of diminishing returns for dissuading temptation. Death penalty for white collar crimes.
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Midjack posted:You have to haul in proof of citizenship, most people don't drag a birth certificate or passport in for a DL renewal.
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Jarmak posted:$300k is a lot of money, but it's still quaint compared to the truly wealthy. I don't think that's close to the point of diminishing returns for dissuading temptation. I have had lawyers argue that top lawyers make $5-10mm+ per year and that we're not actually attracting the best talent to be judges as a result. Every SCOTUS justice has a salary that is 1/10th of their law school peers at best. I, on the other hand, think that an income that is just outside the threshold for the top 1% for life is probably good enough. I'm not rich and playing keep up with the jones, though.
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Are the majority of lawyers making that though? And more importantly, are these really the top lawyers? Captain Alcoholism, Uncle Ruckus, Amy Barrett. Don't seem like they'd be setting the world on fire
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So these lawyers, people theoretically trained to approach questions logically and analytically, are telling you that compensation is a reliable measure of talent? They should demand refunds for their degrees.
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If the DoD ands its experience with contractors selling classified data are anything to go by, "temptation" is more a function of debt than income and the former doesn't necessarily go away when you have a lot of the latter
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:So these lawyers, people theoretically trained to approach questions logically and analytically, are telling you that compensation is a reliable measure of talent? They should demand refunds for their degrees. The argument isn't that the best paid lawyers are the best lawyers. The argument is that similarly situated lawyers to SCOTUS justices (practicing 30+ years in high positions, yale/standford law) are making significantly more. Because of this, justices will naturally feel lagging behind their peers and are thus more susceptible to bribery/corruption. If we paid them equivalent to their peers, not only would we have the salary as a draw for top legal minds while also minimizing the incentive for bad behavior. I will note, I disagree with this argument and pushed back against it.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Are the majority of lawyers making that, though? And more importantly, are these really the top lawyers? Captain Alcoholism, Uncle Ruckus, Amy Barrett. Don't seem like they'd be setting the world on fire When I was looking at law school a decade ago, law had a crazy bimodal distribution. A few folks were making crazy bank in big firms, skewing the average way up and tempting unsuspecting humanities undergrads coming out of school in the late 00s with few prospects for a decent income. A few folks were in the middle, call it 75k-low 100s as of 2010. Junior feds and some other oddball roles, but honestly, not many. Then, a whole shitload of folks making 25k-40k as public defenders, junior prosecutors, document review (glorified paralegals), and so on to go with their shiny $200k student loan package. The whole thing was a pyramid scheme with law schools at the top. Fortunately, as with the rest of our perfect capitalist system, I am sure things have sorted themselves out nicely since then!
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Let’s phrase it a different way: judges, and really all politicians and civil servants at very top are not in the same class as the people they inevitably interact with on a day to day basis outside of government.
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Florida adds 3000-5000 new lawyers per year and there definitely aren't that many retiring nor are there enough jobs to hire all of them. If you started practicing law in the 70s-80s, you're typically very well off with a 1% income. If you started in the 90s, it's more variable but still on the high side of things. If you started in the 00s pre 2008, you're probably doing pretty well by this point even if not in the top. If you started between 08-now, well, you might be almost homeless. Even today, the top ranking from the best law schools are getting paid nearly $200k to be ground into the dirt by biglaw firms. Most new lawyers are making substantially less than that, though. My alma mater is focused on scholarships for every student so that no one has to take out loans because they'll never pay them off.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Are the majority of lawyers making that though? And more importantly, are these really the top lawyers? Captain Alcoholism, Uncle Ruckus, Amy Barrett. Don't seem like they'd be setting the world on fire Big Law starting salaries are up to 215K fresh out of law school, they hit 300+ within a few years. Just feels like we could pay the 9 people in charge of deciding what the law means for the whole country more than Ropes & Gray pays a junior associate to do doc review. edit: to be clear that's 215k not counting an annual bonus which probably pushes it close to 250k Jarmak fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jul 12, 2023 |
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For comparison, SCOTUS salaries have a range (chief justice gets most) but they're all over $250k and he's at like $280 or something. They're also allowed to collect royalties on books and get $27k or something like that from a law school for "teaching." I think Kagan is on the lowest end of them, but most average $800k-$1m/yr with book royalties and salaries for their disclosed income. As we all know, Thomas and Alito at least have a lot of undisclosed income. Kav certainly does as well with things like his $300k in credit card debt for "baseball tickets for friends" disappearing. I don't know that income is necessarily the issue more than it is that republicans are brazenly corrupt.
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Jarmak posted:Big Law starting salaries are up to 215K fresh out of law school, they hit 300+ within a few years. Don't you get to work like 90 hours a week to make this much at those places?
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Milo and POTUS posted:Are the majority of lawyers making that though? And more importantly, are these really the top lawyers? Captain Alcoholism, Uncle Ruckus, Amy Barrett. Don't seem like they'd be setting the world on fire They would all absolutely be making big bucks for carrying water for conservative legal thought
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fknlo posted:Don't you get to work like 90 hours a week to make this much at those places? 100%. If you have a partner you get to see them when they drop off fast food dinner for you before you go back into the building.
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fknlo posted:Don't you get to work like 90 hours a week to make this much at those places? That wasn't my observed experience from having an ex that was/is in one of the big firms. More like 50-60, with 80-90hr craziness reserved for a couple weeks immediately before/during trials that happened 2-3 times a year. She would work a normal day and then put in another 2-4 hours from home after the kiddo was in bed. Some time after we split she went to an 80% schedule was still making something like 350k.
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Here's an example what a biglaw partner in NYC's schedule is like:Yuns posted:Just to reiterate for emphasis:
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Mr. Nice! posted:Here's an example what a biglaw partner in NYC's schedule is like: Nope, gently caress that, no thank you.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Here's an example what a biglaw partner in NYC's schedule is like: Jesus tap dancing Christ. All my loving nope. E- I've heard law school requires copious amounts of drugs to survive, which might explain all ^that^ on three hours sleep. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Jul 12, 2023 |
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