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Marching Powder posted:Still thinking about MMA punching in a boxing match. I think it's uncontroversial to say that conor could punch a guy hard. In that fight with Floyd he hit him once clean with a real nice uppercut and Floyd didn't even blink. I think boxing is just different. Obviously are way fewer avenues of attacking an opponent in boxing so boxers who have spent much more of their lives training within that space will, all else equal, generate more power and have better defense just due to muscle memory unlike mma fighters who cross over and whose muscle memory is geared toward boxing but having to be cognizant of being taken down/kicked/elbowed at the same time.
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ngannou has used the boxing style of gloves before back in 2015 when he did a kickboxing match. its not the same but at least there's somewhat footage of him using his striking in a "striking only" context and he at lest did start off as a boxer when he got to france before being convinced to move to mma (think the person said he'd make more money quicker or something which idk if that's true or misremembering the story a bit) https://twitter.com/Beyond_Kick/status/1678874477294149637 edit - yeah the story was the coach at the gym in france thought he'd be better fit for mma for some reason wikipedia posted:At age 22, Ngannou began training in boxing, despite the initial reluctance of his family.[20] After training for a year, Ngannou stopped training due to an illness.[21] He did various odd jobs to make ends meet, until age 26 when he decided to head to Paris, France, to pursue professional boxing.[22] However upon reaching Europe, he was jailed for two months in Spain for illegally crossing the border.[23] After Ngannou reached Paris, he had no money, no friends, and no place to live.[17] After living homeless on the streets of Paris, he met Francis Carmont who introduced him to Fernand Lopez and the MMA factory.[24] Being a fan of Mike Tyson, Ngannou was originally interested in learning how to box but Lopez saw his potential in MMA and convinced him to try MMA instead.[22] Lopez gave Ngannou some MMA gear and allowed him to train and sleep at the gym for no cost thus starting Ngannou's MMA career.[22] Mekchu fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Jul 12, 2023 |
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Jul 12, 2023 08:56
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if francis ever jon jones's i'm going to be so mad. he's one of my favorite people in this sport.
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Marching Powder posted:Still thinking about MMA punching in a boxing match. I think it's uncontroversial to say that conor could punch a guy hard. In that fight with Floyd he hit him once clean with a real nice uppercut and Floyd didn't even blink. I think boxing is just different. While McGregor can knock out people for sure, he doesn’t and has never has the power to send 250lbs men flying from a punch to their head. I don’t think they’re quite comparable. I do agree, though, that boxing is different. The larger gloves mean hits aren’t as clean and they’re padded more. I just don’t think comparing McGregor to Ngannou is proper.
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I was about to say I was only drawing the comparison because the only sample of mma champ VS boxing champ we have is that, but honestly fury and Floyd and conor / Francis is not too bad of a comparison in my view. Just they're double the size.
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Conor was clearly pacing himself, and while that punch landed really well, it wasn't anywhere close to being thrown with KO intent. He adopted the pace to look good in terms of rounds lasted. I don't think Ngannou will have that concern about his reputation/ legacy here.
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I remember dudes telling me that McGregor started off training in boxing and had amateur boxing experience
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kimbo305 posted:Conor was clearly pacing himself, and while that punch landed really well, it wasn't anywhere close to being thrown with KO intent. fair comment, but if i hit someone clean throwing at 75% and they didn't blink i'd consider discontinuing the fight if i was also down on points.
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Marching Powder posted:fair comment, but if i hit someone clean throwing at 75% and they didn't blink i'd consider discontinuing the fight if i was also down on points. Reminds me of Luke Rockhold just giving up after Mike Perry shattered some of his teeth in their bare knuckle match. I don’t watch standard boxing enough to know how often someone just says “nah, I’m done” like that.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don’t watch standard boxing enough to know how often someone just says “nah, I’m done” like that. i've literally never seen it because quitting is considered cowardly and that's worse than getting knocked out for a fighter. i have just reached the age where i could give a gently caress about that lol
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Marching Powder posted:i've literally never seen it because quitting is considered cowardly and that's worse than getting knocked out for a fighter. i have just reached the age where i could give a gently caress about that lol There's spots where a fighter will just go down after getting hit and stay on a knee or otherwise not get up, no? I at least see it in Muay Thai decently often, does that not happen in regular boxing? But yeah not quite how Rockhold did it. Although this recent thing also comes to mind. https://twitter.com/GLORY_WS/status/1670138223903768579
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Brut posted:There's spots where a fighter will just go down after getting hit and stay on a knee or otherwise not get up, no? I at least see it in Muay Thai decently often, does that not happen in regular boxing? But yeah not quite how Rockhold did it. 'after getting hit' is fine. after hitting a guy, seeing it do nothing and just going 'done' is a little different lol
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Marching Powder posted:'after getting hit' is fine. after hitting a guy, seeing it do nothing and just going 'done' is a little different lol golata doing it against tyson is still the usual callback
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Jul 13, 2023 04:18
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Roberto Duran famously quit during Duran/Leonard II
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blue footed boobie posted:Roberto Duran famously quit during Duran/Leonard II Wasn't he getting beat the gently caress up?
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The weirdest one I can think of was Oliver McCall’s breakdown against Lewis: https://youtu.be/hG5e-yec0b8
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kimbo305 posted:The weirdest one I can think of was Oliver McCall’s breakdown against Lewis: for real but that was clearly a mental health episode. i can't imagine the whiplash of beating a monstrous opponent, knowing it was lucky, and then agreeing to fight him again only he now wants to humiliate you. not saying that's what caused it, but it couldn't have helped.
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Marching Powder posted:Wasn't he getting beat the gently caress up? Duran was definitely getting outworked, but he was in there, throwing punches and fighting until he suddenly waved it off. It was a very weird thing. Obviously, he had not prepared properly and was running out of gas, but he wasn't in complete survival mode. It was especially weird seeing as he was so well known for his heart and fighting spirit.
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Freudian slippers posted:Duran was definitely getting outworked, but he was in there, throwing punches and fighting until he suddenly waved it off. It was a very weird thing. Obviously, he had not prepared properly and was running out of gas, but he wasn't in complete survival mode. It was especially weird seeing as he was so well known for his heart and fighting spirit. Duran had beaten Leonard in the first fight, in part because he baited Leonard into a more aggressive style. Leonard admitted as such. In the rematch, Leonard was keeping more distance and clowning Duran, not to the point of embarrassment, but baiting him into being reckless. Duran partly quit because he thought it was complete bullshit and knew that there was no way he was landing enough to get a knockout, and the crowd was eating up the showmanship. Back to Fury-Ngannou...um...well...I doubt I'll pay for it. There is no advantage for Ngonnou, other than random angle novelty. I'm referencing the idea that there is so little data on how he will set up boxing style punches, that he catches Fury unaware. I highly doubt that.
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I'm not shocked at this point but the Kambosos-Hughes fight tonight, holy gently caress, robbery on a level that actually made me laugh my rear end off in front of my TV 117-111 just lmao
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Good soup! posted:Kambosos-Hughes fight was that the one on espn earlier ?
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Good soup! posted:I'm not shocked at this point but the Kambosos-Hughes fight tonight, holy gently caress, robbery on a level that actually made me laugh my rear end off in front of my TV yeah it was absolutely egregious, how the gently caress can that be justified
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Jul 23, 2023 20:24
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Well I guess one good thing about having a toddler and an infant is that I'm up early enough to watch these fights live lol Not looking good for Fulton
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lmao he did it again, this guy is nuts
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He's the easy pound for pound number 1 no matter what happens on Saturday between Crawford and Spence
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That was great stuff. It was never in doubt
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Mekchu posted:inoue is so good
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The SituAsian posted:He's the easy pound for pound number 1 no matter what happens on Saturday between Crawford and Spence agreed. i hope he gets a big payday before his time in the ring is up.
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Inoue is the loving man
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Wow, Inoue made that look easy. He just needs to learn some broken English and he'll become a major global star.
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Inoue started at junior flyweight, is currently at 122, and unless his body just completely cannot handle the weight, I don't see anyone giving him a challenge until/if he moves up to 135. He's essentially Manny Pacquiao at this point.
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I honestly thought Fulton would give him a real challenge. Just glad I didn't put money on that lol.
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The big fight down the road for Inoue is probably against Tank. Would take a lot but that's what I see other than just moving up until he can't anymore.
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Mekchu posted:inoue is so good it's bonkers
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just caught up. if bud blows spence out i'll hear an argument for him since he's also come up in weight but whoever said inoue is manny pacquiao now pretty much summed it up for me. inoue is easily the scariest dude in boxing.
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Get those Crawford - Spence predictions on record everyone Terence Crawford by Unanimous Decision I truly believe, and always have believed that Crawford is better at everything other than size than Spence and I think he could stop him but given the mutual rematch clause and little bit of mutual stage fright considering how big this fight is for both, I think both will be a bit more cautious this first time. The SituAsian fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jul 28, 2023 |
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Spence KO 10
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