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Party Boat posted:Highest grossing since 2019 is kind of a weak comparison though - the only Pixar film in that span that got a full theatrical run was Lightyear It's all Disney animation, not just Pixar, so as the tweet points out it includes Encanto, but also Raya, Strange World.
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Eh, Encanto went to streaming 30 days after release and Raya was in March 2021 which is before I got my first vaccine shot. Those both feel like asterisks.
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Honestly a big relief. I was expecting it to feel generic but elemental actually had a really strong message imo. Racism and its entrenched institutions from a very different angle to Zootopia (also a better angle).
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Koramei posted:Honestly a big relief. I was expecting it to feel generic but elemental actually had a really strong message imo. Racism and its entrenched institutions from a very different angle to Zootopia (also a better angle).
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Zootopia came out pre-Trump/the great political awakening if it came out in 2023 I guarantee the internet would erupt in discourse about carnivore racism and bunny cops.
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mystes posted:Yeah I honestly think it's weird how everyone gushed about zootopia for what is imo an incredibly weak/generic message about fantasy racism and then randomly got mad at Elemental for how it handled racism in a fairly realistic way I think a lot of that is people who were just going by the trailer and not the actual movie. The trailers REALLY wanted to hammer home the FIRE AND WATER DON'T MIX and the racism stuff isn't really a cut and dry as that Captain Invictus posted:pretty sure people were still saying acab about judy even back then Yeah I was gonna say. I heard plenty of people saying Zootopia was copaganda. And I really don't think they were explicit trying to do that, they just wanted a fantasy setting where cops are mostly good but real life cops kind of ruin that. I wouldn't be surprised if Zootopia 2 goes a much more corrupt cops route (though ultimately will try do a one rotten apple spoils the bunch thing with it). Macaluso fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jul 13, 2023 |
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Captain Invictus posted:pretty sure people were still saying acab about judy even back then Not as many as post-Floyd
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There's something about animals vs elements that I just find less annoying when they're being used as monocultural stereotypes. Nostalgia for movies like Robin Hood? The nod to fables? Something. But it's visceral.
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Slyphic posted:There's something about animals vs elements that I just find less annoying when they're being used as monocultural stereotypes. Nostalgia for movies like Robin Hood? The nod to fables? Something. But it's visceral.
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The metaphor in Elemental is a lot weaker. I haven't seen the movies, so I can't say which is better. As a premise, though, it feels more restrictive. Less capable of being subtle or indirect. I do not disagree that Zootopia is copaganda to a fair degree. It's just also a movie that says, "the police are a tool wielded by the political establishment to enforce racial hierarchies." I think it's cool to have that message in a kids movie.
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Alhazred posted:Halloween Ends This is for the Movie You Just Watched thread probably but I chose to believe it's animated
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mycot posted:This is for the Movie You Just Watched thread probably but I chose to believe it's animated God, I wish. That would be so cool.
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The only thing I'd change about Zootopia is have them both be private eyes at the end. Regardless, the abortion comic with the surprisingly good artwork would still be valid.
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mystes posted:Yeah I honestly think it's weird how everyone gushed about zootopia for what is imo an incredibly weak/generic message about fantasy racism and then randomly got mad at Elemental for how it handled racism in a fairly realistic way Strictly going by the state of the conversation before Elemental actually came out, so this has nothing to do with how the movie actually handles it: Firstly, there was plenty of criticism of Zootopia for the racism metaphor having unfortunate implications if you really thought it through. Secondly, it's much easier to rationalize that by imagining that the animals just like, evolved different or whatever (they also talk and build cities, after all). Like they figured out that they actually didn't need to be predators or something. That's a harder leap to make with something as basic as fire & water. Again, I haven't seen it (like most people) so I don't know the actual answer to how they addressed this. I'm just talking about why people have been reluctant to see it. Which also makes sense because it just hasn't been out very long. It's not really "random".
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Wittgen posted:The metaphor in Elemental is a lot weaker. I haven't seen the movies, so I can't say which is better. As a premise, though, it feels more restrictive. Less capable of being subtle or indirect. I guess it is more restrictive, but I don’t know that that’s innately a bad thing, especially since despite perhaps its greater capability for nuance/subtlety, Zootopia falls a bit flat on the deeper implications of its message . Whereas in Elemental, yeah okay it’s a bit simpler but the visual presentation of systematic racism is visceral and imo really effective; seeing the constant discomforts and dangers the fire elementals have to navigate just to exist in the city, let alone immerse themselves into a water dominated space. I mean, writing it out, not gonna say it isn’t on the nose; but what’s wrong with that?
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Captain Invictus posted:pretty sure people were still saying acab about judy even back then This is such media illiterate horseshit. It's a significant plot point that only ONE COP'S A BUNNY.
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It’s not as scathing as some would like but yeah I didn’t really come out of Zootopia thinking it portrayed cops in a good light
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Papercut posted:Good, Elemental was good
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The elemental people seen in the trailers seemed quasai immortal. Do the fire people really die if they are completely inundated with water? An air person gets hit by a bus and is completely fine.
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Panfilo posted:The elemental people seen in the trailers seemed quasai immortal. Do the fire people really die if they are completely inundated with water? An air person gets hit by a bus and is completely fine.
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Panfilo posted:The elemental people seen in the trailers seemed quasai immortal. Do the fire people really die if they are completely inundated with water? An air person gets hit by a bus and is completely fine. I'm not sure how air elementals would die, but the elementals certainly *believe* they can die as presented in the movie and also I don't think the realism of the world presented is important for the story at all
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Panfilo posted:Do the fire people really die if they are completely inundated with water? An air person gets hit by a bus and is completely fine.
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Personally, I don't like it. Anyway, here's a minute and a half clip from the new TMNT for people like me who like to ruin their cinema experience: https://youtu.be/MvWE4EkzVJs Looks really good. I think I'll have to find a way to go see it in cinemas without having shrieking toddlers around.
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God that looks so good. I love all their interactions. "You sound like you have bronchitis" 
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I feel like this and other recent projects have a tendency to make Donatello extra lame, and as he is my favorite, they should stop. Like, they gave him the little kid voice.
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This Donatello is not lame. 
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The_Doctor posted:This Donatello is not lame. Someone voiced by Gumball can't be lame.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Someone voiced by Gumball can't be lame. He is? Which Gumball?
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Larryb posted:He is? Which Gumball? Uh...looking around I got the turtles and voices mixed up. Leo is the one voiced by the current(I think?) Gumball VA(Nicolas) and Don is voiced by someone completely new to the scene, but he sounds a lot like how I remember Gumball sounding. Also didn't realize Gumball had 3 VA changes like knew about the first one, but didn't know about the second one.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Uh...looking around I got the turtles and voices mixed up.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Uh...looking around I got the turtles and voices mixed up. That’s a problem you run into when you have a long running show where the characters are voiced by kids but don’t age as the series goes on (Hey Arnold had the same issue)
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mystes posted:shameful 
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Larryb posted:That’s a problem you run into when you have a long running show where the characters are voiced by kids but don’t age as the series goes on (Hey Arnold had the same issue) Another problem is that sometimes kids who play secondary characters for a few years turn into right wing nut jobs and then you’re stuck dealing with Steven Crowder
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