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the remasters of FF1 forget that the flying fortress was supposed to be high-tech, and all the weird robots were supposed to foreshadow this element.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:the remasters of FF1 forget that the flying fortress was supposed to be high-tech, and all the weird robots were supposed to foreshadow this element. Luckily Jack Garland gets the full sci-fi experience with fortresses and stuff
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Jul 13, 2023 20:21
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"The fantasy setting is actually the aftermath of the collapse of a highly technified civilization whose remnants the inhabitants don't fully understand and treat as mythology" is pretty much one of the essential elements of Final Fantasy.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:30
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Isn't Jenova literally a space alien that crashes into the planet and cause problems???
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Jul 13, 2023 21:16
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YggiDee posted:Isn't Jenova literally a space alien that crashes into the planet and cause problems??? Oh yeah, i guess that one is an alien. I thought it was just a yin/yang situation with the cetra
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Jul 13, 2023 21:33
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Lavos in Chrono Trigger goes through a whole discovery process where it starts as a world-ending underground kaiju, to a summoned monster by an ancient civilization, to a big alien bug that fell out of the sky, to a weird bird alien in a space suit inside the bug. Parts of that remind me of Iconoclasts now that I think of it.
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Jul 13, 2023 21:54
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Iconoclasts is a real gem and I love how the final boss is basically a bird alien version of Robin, it's even wielding a giant wrench
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Jul 13, 2023 21:57
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The final boss of Iconoclasts is a gas station mechanic. I'm pretty sure that's the near-literal intended reading.
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Jul 13, 2023 22:02
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:The final boss of Iconoclasts is a gas station mechanic. I'm pretty sure that's the near-literal intended reading. I think it's a more a gas station customer but yeah. The planet exists to serve as a fuel repository, the aliens didn't expect its native life to figure out how to consume the fuel themselves
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Jul 13, 2023 22:08
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YggiDee posted:Isn't Jenova literally a space alien that crashes into the planet and cause problems??? realizing Jenova is basically John Carpenter's The Thing made me love FFVII just that much more
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Jul 13, 2023 22:16
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Random sci-fi bullshit in your swords and sorcery game is, if anything, a genre staple. Final Fantasy has it too, for example. Wizardry, maybe not so much, but it did have blenders and elevators and other modern anachronisms. mostly new to me. aside from the aforementioned Final Fantasy's and one Sword of Shannara book i read... i havent seen it a lot
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Jul 13, 2023 22:29
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And there's Ultima which is a sword-and-sorcery series except when you defeat an evil computer with punch cards, or go to Mars. There's the Pern books which start out as a feudal fantasy setting with magic dragons, but its thousands of years in the future and the magic dragons were genetically engineered by the humans that settled on the planet. There's a whole range between Sci-Fi and fantasy, and in tabletop RPGs there's poo poo like Spelljammer, Shadowrun, Warhammer (both kinds) I think the biggest difference is whether you call your weird power "psychic" or "magic"
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Jul 13, 2023 23:03
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It's pretty easy to use nanomachines as ersatz-magic in a cyberpunk setting, too *did I use that word right?
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Jul 13, 2023 23:05
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The biggest difference is if you call your money "credits" or "gil"
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Jul 13, 2023 23:06
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Final Fantasy IV: Aliens lived on a planet between Mars and Jupiter until it exploded and they all came to Earth, but it was occupied so they made a second moon and are in suspended animation until the two species can co-exist Final Fantasy V: Intedimensional travel is done by teleportation pads hidden in meteorites FFVI: To the best of my knowledge, no aliens? FFVII: Jenova is literally an alien literally from space FFVIII: Monsters live on the moon and also "magic" had been replicated with modern technology and also what the gently caress are GFs anyway. Also there's an alien named PuPu who is very very lost
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Jul 13, 2023 23:20
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credburn posted:It's pretty easy to use nanomachines as ersatz-magic in a cyberpunk setting, too I think so but we don't really use that word much anymore. I prefer its synonym: "It's pretty slutty to use nanomachines as ersatz-magic in a cyberpunk setting, too"
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Jul 13, 2023 23:37
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YggiDee posted:and also what the gently caress are GFs anyway. the FFVIII audience, both fans and haters, have zero loving clue. same with those magical spirits you can summon
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Jul 13, 2023 23:45
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GFs are essentially living energy, who typically can only manifest physically within certain energy fields. By hijacking a bit of a living creature's brain and using it as a battery, their host can manifest it outside of those energy fields.
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Jul 14, 2023 00:43
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FF6 doesn't have any aliens, but it does have the espers, who have their own parallel society that we get to see a little of. Also it has In terms of sci-fi, though, it's much closer to FF7: technology is a well-understood concept that has been fairly thoroughly integrated into society. The highest-tech location in the game is a research and Mengele facility that was built by and is in active use by the antagonists.
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Jul 14, 2023 00:56
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What about FXIII? What is even going on there? What is technology and what is --- whatever is going on there
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Jul 14, 2023 01:01
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credburn posted:What about FXIII? What is even going on there? What is technology and what is --- whatever is going on there I'm currently playing through this, and from what I gather the fal'cie are basically divine beings who bestow all of the tech (along with everything else, including basic needs like food and shelter) to humans. There might be humans who carry themselves as scientists, but it's essentially aliens treating humans like pets. Or raising them like livestock.
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Jul 14, 2023 01:14
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Cleretic posted:A realization brought on by Sonic Frontiers, but I feel like this is accurate in all games: Agree Assassins creed black flag when i found out that if i caught the floaty bastards the crew would sing different sea shanties was wonderful
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Jul 14, 2023 03:01
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Man, I need to get back into Black Flag. I started it but got distracted by other stuff. I've been doing way more handheld stuff lately, maybe grabbing the Switch port is the way to go.
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Jul 14, 2023 03:11
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My favorite fantasy/sci-fi blending was always Might & Magic 6 and 7. Going from whatever weapons you were trained in to running through everything spamming laser rifles and pistols to disintegrate everything was a fun victory lap. Then you forget to get the scroll before initiating the ending and 
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Jul 14, 2023 05:42
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One of my favorite things about Black Flag is how Edward spends a solid 85% of the game actively avoiding becoming an Assassin until it aligned with his interests. Really drove home the ‘gently caress you got mine’ vibe of piracy.
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Jul 14, 2023 06:02
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Jul 14, 2023 06:03
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Black Flag has a weird reveal where the girl you spend much of the game with is revealed to be a woman??. It's not that well hidden  I mean I don't mean to like, gender folks on archtypes. It's just... it was real weirdly obvious? Eh
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Jul 14, 2023 06:23
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Sonic Frontiers, I like that when fishing, whether you catch a measly goldfish, a whopping sailfish, or a big ol tire Sonic still gets the same excited grin on his face. Also catching trash still gets you tokens, usually a bunch. Its great.
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YggiDee posted:FFVIII: Monsters live on the moon and also "magic" had been replicated with modern technology and also what the gently caress are GFs anyway. Also there's an alien named PuPu who is very very lost I'm not surprised those playing Final Fantasy don't know what a GF is.
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Jul 14, 2023 08:35
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credburn posted:Black Flag has a weird reveal where the girl you spend much of the game with is revealed to be a woman??. It's not that well hidden the whole "pirate was secretly a woman" thing is quite a well-trodden part of Pirate Lore so i guess they wanted to a) make it reeeeeeal obvious for their audience, and b) try not to cause more technical overhead (e.g. different models for post-reveal)
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Jul 14, 2023 08:56
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They should have given her a big bushy beard imo
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Ashsaber posted:Sonic Frontiers, I like that when fishing, whether you catch a measly goldfish, a whopping sailfish, or a big ol tire Sonic still gets the same excited grin on his face. Also catching trash still gets you tokens, usually a bunch. Its great. Absolutely love when you catch a sunfish and it looks like it has little Sonic legs 
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Samovar posted:I'm not surprised those playing Final Fantasy don't know what a GF is. Lol nice
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credburn posted:Black Flag has a weird reveal where the girl you spend much of the game with is revealed to be a woman??. It's not that well hidden Reminds me of AC2 where Ezio is shocked and amazed that all of the people that taught him how to be an assassin...are assassins!
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Always reminded of this ProZD clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN9DW4rrEjY
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credburn posted:Black Flag has a weird reveal where the girl you spend much of the game with is revealed to be a woman??. It's not that well hidden It's been a while since I played Black Flag, but I'm pretty sure that was based on real events. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Read quote:Read was born in England in 1685. She began dressing as a boy at a young age, at first at her mother's urging in order to receive inheritance money and then as a teenager in order to join the British military. She then married and upon her husband's death moved to the West Indies around 1715. In 1720, she met Jack Rackham and joined his crew, dressing as a man alongside Anne Bonny. AFewBricksShy has a new favorite as of 13:11 on Jul 14, 2023 |
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Jul 14, 2023 13:08
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It's fine to have stuff that is apparent to us but not the characters.
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For what it's worth, a lot of pulp-era fantasy/sci-fi had a lot of blending the two together. Scientists using magic, fantasy heroes fighting aliens. Conan's still wearing that dichotomy on its sleeve, but you could argue the main relic of that is actually superhero comics and their general willingness to go 'gently caress it, sure, Superman can fight both robots and wizards'. So fantasy settings going sci-fi out of nowhere is a pretty classic thing, actually!
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Jul 14, 2023 14:50
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Pseudohog posted:My favourite little thing is that the sea shanty pages won't run away if you're not looking at them - so rather than walking up to them normally, them flying off and you having to chase them, you can just remember where they are, turn around and walk backwards over to where they are, and presto! Shanty collected.  I had no idea you could do this!sebmojo posted:They should have given her a big bushy beard imo
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There's a movie that came out in '77 that did pretty well by mixing magic and spaceships.
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