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OnimaruXLR posted:Why is streaming such a hard model to make money on, anyway? Didn't Netflix make a lot of money when it first came out? Is it the switch to creating original programming/wholly owning your program libraries that caused the issue? My understanding is that part of the reasons streaming services have money problems is because they were constantly throwing money around. Like that JJ Abrams deal that was hundreds of millions of dollars and produced nothing.
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AngryBooch posted:a part of the reason all these streaming deals are so front-loaded like that it the lack of residuals... There is no aftermarket for original streaming content, though. They aren't selling huge amounts of Stranger Things Blu-Rays or syndicating it on TBS. They would have to either cut them part of the streaming subscription (which would have to be tiny or they would end up owing 100% of their subscription revenue to old shows after 20 or 30 original projects) or creators would just have to accept that they get no residuals once the streamer decides to take their content off.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There is no aftermarket for original streaming content, though. They aren't selling huge amounts of Stranger Things Blu-Rays or syndicating it on TBS. The closest model I can think of would be the YouTube revenue sharing model prorated by views or viewer minutes per episode. For example: Netflix says 50% of subscription and ad revenue every year/quarter goes towards residuals. New shows or seasons get large percentages along with shows that re-enter the public awareness but many would eventually fall into that same category you hear about with syndicated TV where a supporting actor from LA Law in 1992 gets $0.37 every fiscal quarter. Anyway, I think Netflix wants more control than that so will fight tooth and nail against it, but ultimately I think that's a mistake given their stewardship of some of their breakout hits. Every other YouTube adjacent service has avoided the revenue sharing model in favor of paltry "creator funds" after all.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There is no aftermarket for original streaming content, though. They aren't selling huge amounts of Stranger Things Blu-Rays or syndicating it on TBS.
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OnimaruXLR posted:Why is streaming such a hard model to make money on, anyway? When Netflix added streaming to complement their DVD model, it was just kind of a nice if odd perk. They were able to grab a crapload of shows and were lucky enough to get in right when high speed access became the norm. And after a bit, everyone realized they had sold their catalog for pennies and thought "If I have it all under my own umbrella..." Hulu was kind of the stopgap solution. Make a "studio" streaming arm comprised of a bunch of players. The anti-Netflix. But then they all got greedy and fragmented the market. Which means that it wasn't just good to have Terminator and Predator and New Star Trek on your service. Now you had to spend $80M on a development deal to see if John Carter, Quartermaster, and Doc Savage could be your dazzling new original series. And then another $20M to see if, uh, Alfonso Cuaron would like to do....anything? Maybe a food anthology docudrama? Iono man just get him on board. So now they're in an arms race to make originals while all their metrics are behind weird black boxes and no one knows what 700,000 Man Hours Watched means exactly, or if it means $500 or $50,000,000 and the guy that created it in Brazil gets jack poo poo for it.
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Speaking of streaming metrics: Secret Invasion is going way over budget in return for a mediocre viewcount https://twitter.com/PolyculeHitman/status/1679039214221156352 ("beloved comic book series" lol)
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Finding out how low the numbers were for Ms Marvel is disappointing. That series had a lot of fun stuff so I can only assume it has something to do with racism that people wouldn't watch it.
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Jamesman posted:Finding out how low the numbers were for Ms Marvel is disappointing. That series had a lot of fun stuff so I can only assume it has something to do with racism that people wouldn't watch it. One the reasons I read around where that some thought it was a children's/teen show.
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Desperado Bones posted:One the reasons I read around where that some thought it was a children's/teen show. It was one of the better marvel shows but it kind of was. At least toward the teen demo. The comment about things being too fragmented now is on the nose I feel. My friend started a plex server because he was tired of having to subscribe to 5 different services to watch what he wanted and it's basically the old piracy days except you can stream it to all your friends in HD too. It's great.
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GokuGoesSSj69 posted:It was one of the better marvel shows but it kind of was. At least toward the teen demo. Lol I'm on two friends Plexes for this exact reason. One has lots of anime/weird art house stuff and one has every other god drat thing in existence. Just used it to show my wife the bonkers Dick Tracy movie for the first time, and she agreed that it is weird as gently caress and kinda rules and must have made exactly zero dollars because it was shockingly full of "hmm, bold choice there" moments. She was confused how it even existed, so I got to explain that very weird moment where Batman 89 was a massive success and spawned a brief era where everyone was trying to capitalize on it with your Dicks Tracy and your Darkmen.
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Netflix’s early success came almost entirely from buying up licenses cheap because they got there first and it was free money for the content owners. Once they saw the value of what they had, things started to turn.
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Some of the reason for lower ratings for Ms Marvel and other recent Marvel stuff is almost certainly racism and misogyny and the whole anti-woke culture war bullshit.
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Jul 14, 2023 09:08
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At the end of the say I'm just not interested in keeping up with both TV shows with full seasons of episodes and also the movies. So now I don't keep up with either one. I like reading this thread despite not watching most of the stuff
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Jul 14, 2023 09:43
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Macaluso posted:At the end of the say I'm just not interested in keeping up with both TV shows with full seasons of episodes and also the movies. So now I don't keep up with either one. Same. In theory Secret Invasion should be right up my alley but I just find myself not giving a poo poo.
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Jul 14, 2023 12:52
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Aphrodite posted:Netflix’s early success came almost entirely from buying up licenses cheap because they got there first and it was free money for the content owners. The smart thing Netflix did besides being the first major streamer is that they invested in making their own content before they lost a lot of other studios’ stuff. Now most of their original content is crap but they have at least been able to keep their position as the #1 streaming service by not paying as much for outside content.
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GokuGoesSSj69 posted:It was one of the better marvel shows but it kind of was. At least toward the teen demo. Yeah, it's been said many times before, but they just brought back the ridiculous cable era of TV with all these streaming services and that's driven a bunch of folks back to piracy. Netflix made everything simple and easy and convenient, that is no longer the case, especially with these services just up and deleting programing that never got a physical release.
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Jul 14, 2023 15:43
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Surely this will recover all the monies lost. https://twitter.com/WarnerBrosNFT/status/1679838164276453377
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Same. In theory Secret Invasion should be right up my alley but I just find myself not giving a poo poo. It's very slow and meandering. Right now it's too long and dense for a movie (though most recent episode was just over 30 mins), but I feel like it could be shrunk into a movie with a few characters written out and some things changed. It's not wowing me, and it's kind of a shame because Jackson and Cheadle are really strong playing off each other. Everything else is kind of meh though.
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X-O posted:Surely this will recover all the monies lost. Lmao
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Yeah my griftspeak is a little rusty, what's that mean? The movie is an NFT?
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Why doesn't the Warner Bros. NFT Twitter account have a Twitter NFT profile pic?
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La Louve Rouge posted:Why doesn't the Warner Bros. NFT Twitter account have a Twitter NFT profile pic? People were blocking the different silhouette icons on sight.
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They already did Bat Cowl NFTs, why would a failed movie do any better. I haven't heard anything about this since.
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site posted:if you add slurp juice to your flash ape you can resell it for lots of money His name is Grodd.
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OnimaruXLR posted:Why is streaming such a hard model to make money on, anyway? Didn't Netflix make a lot of money when it first came out? Is it the switch to creating original programming/wholly owning your program libraries that caused the issue? The secondary cause is that TV's in a transitionary state right now. Cord-cutting is real and it's not going to stop; cable is a dead format walking and broadcast is in trouble. Every studio knows this; they've all seen the same studies, there is a reason why everyone went "oh poo poo" and started going in on streaming about five years ago. But nobody knows exactly what the future's gonna look like when we get there, so everyone is guessing. And because of the primary cause, everyone jumped in way too hard and overcommitted, and this wasn't helped by most streaming services coming online in 2019/2020, just in time to catch a tsunami of momentum from COVID. But COVID was an artificial surge, quarantine ended, and... oops. And also because of the primary cause, nobody's thinking right. None of these studios should loving care about the viewership numbers, all that should matter is one more piece of quality content for the library so that in ten years when cable collapses, you're there and ready with a mature platform Also, frankly, I think we as the consumers are also a bit out of line. The Netflix era when everything was on one streaming service? That was artificial too. It was never gonna last, it wasn't the endgame, we're being silly in wanting it back. What we can hope for is, ironically, what we wanted before this whole thing begain. Remember back when cable was the only game in town, and everyone was agitating for a la carte pricing so you could just buy the channels you want and not have to pay for a bundle to get like sixty other stations you have no interest in? We're gonna get that. It's still a win for us.
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X-O posted:Surely this will recover all the monies lost. 
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CapnAndy posted:Primarily it's because end-stage capitalism no longer recognizes concepts such as "loss leader" or "building an audience" or even "steady income". You must make more money than you made last quarter, every quarter, forever. This is very sustainable and in no way is going to cause an astounding series of disasters that will shatter every market before sanity prevails again. The other big thing that broke things, IMO, is the all or nothing mentality. Basically a show is either a massive zeitgeist grabbing success or it's a total failure that should be instantly shitcanned. And that's a thought process that would've killed several of the biggest shows on US TV EVER. All In The Family, MASH, Cheers, Seinfeld? All did LOUSY for the first season or so. But even setting that aside, rather than spending a billion dollars on Lord Of The Rings, and whatever the gently caress the Russo thing Amazon made, or Disney making 15 Marvel and Star Wars shows a year, they should be treating it more like network TV and have a smaller slate of less over-budgeted stuff so that if something DOES catch fire, it's easier to capitalise, and if you end up with a bunch of middle-of-the-road stuff, well, then that helps your content library later.
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WB doing the job of killing the Justice League better than any comicbook villain could.
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I wonder how much Gunn will be able to get away with making his new Luthor into Zaslev. I guess he can just say it's Iger
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:- You can't sell ads. I thought all the streaming services have an ad based version now?
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I was trying to keep up with all the Marvel stuff on D+ at first, Wandavision and Hawkeye and Loki were interesting and fun but god there's just so much of it so eventually I just fell off hard. The last things I watched were like, most of Moon Knight (which I should probably finish sometime) and Werewolf By Night (loved it, at least, what was the general reaction around here to it?). There being too many shows ended up ruining the movies for me too, I still haven't seen Quantumania or Guardians 3 yet because I just don't care. They really should have just stuck to the movies and maybe one series a year.
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im just lol that they can utterly plan everything out like this for mcu then let star wars just trainwreck itself for a good long while lmao.
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Vandar posted:I was trying to keep up with all the Marvel stuff on D+ at first, Wandavision and Hawkeye and Loki were interesting and fun but god there's just so much of it so eventually I just fell off hard. The last things I watched were like, most of Moon Knight (which I should probably finish sometime) and Werewolf By Night (loved it, at least, what was the general reaction around here to it?). Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk were two of the best Marvel things ever made. But I say that against the context of many of the recent movies being... a mixed bag. I'm not sure, because I've like most (not all, but most) of the TV shows, but suddenly the movies have started having bad ones, when for a few years there were no bad ones. The thing about the increase in volume of content is that I got more good stuff overall, but there's been a higher % of bad stuff. In an ideal world, there would be less content, but only the bad content would have gone unmade. But it's just as likely that in a world of less content some of the stuff I loved was the stuff that never existed. I do know I'm sad that my three times a year, guaranteed good time movie, is no longer a sure thing and I now go into each one wondering if this coin flip comes up heads.
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I'm currently watching through the DCAMU so I'm not exactly inclined to being on team "limit the output in the hopes it means all bangers." Like I didn't love every pre-Endgame MCU movie either. It kind of feels like we get rose colored glasses about that now. Most of the Disney+ TV isn't required viewing any more than every movie is required viewing for each other. People can pick and choose. I can understand why people who were deeply invested in "the Infinity Saga" are now disappointed at the much looser Phase 4. But eh. I've loved a lot of the random weird stuff they've made. Not everything, but I'm having a good time.
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STAC Goat posted:I'm currently watching through the DCAMU so I'm not exactly inclined to being on team "limit the output in the hopes it means all bangers." Like I didn't love every pre-Endgame MCU movie either. It kind of feels like we get rose colored glasses about that now. Most of the Disney+ TV isn't required viewing any more than every movie is required viewing for each other. People can pick and choose. People can pick and choose but this is a Disney problem of not getting the returns they want. TV is crowded and there are lots of good shows so to rise above you need to be really drat good. People aren't going to watch just because it's there or just because it's Marvel. And if the show isn't cheap to make, what is Disney actually getting out of it?
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