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Tuna-Fish posted:The russians posted a video of an attack helicopter taking out at least some of them with ATGMs. Oh, interesting! I had assumed it was more about more explosive versus heavier penetrators, but wasn't certain.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 14:04 |
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# ? Jun 6, 2024 13:30 |
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Ynglaur posted:Oh, interesting! I had assumed it was more about more explosive versus heavier penetrators, but wasn't certain. From this video: Training ammo, but shape matches the real thing. 50mm sabot, 50mm HE, 35mm HE.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 14:36 |
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Surprising no one https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1679839793029562368?t=fXT4PewgleiteZx9K5neGg&s=19
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 14:37 |
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thankfully the enemy is very stupid https://i.imgur.com/Q6ZzM9O.mp4
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 14:44 |
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fatherboxx posted:Kommersant (established Russian newspaper of record, not super loyalist, but clearly broken with years of censorship) managed to get some rambling words from Putin regarding the meeting with Wagner leadership *surprised pikachu face when paramilitary group refuses to obey the rule of law*
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 14:45 |
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Tuna-Fish posted:Training ammo, but shape matches the real thing. 50mm sabot, 50mm HE, 35mm HE. Selfquote to add: I can't find the other presentation, but some high-up army guy explained the rationale somewhere, and beyond AA, they want ability to clear obstacles. By his telling, in Iraq they were perfectly happy with Bradley's ability to poke holes in things, but if someone piled up more than 10 bricks on a road, a Bradley had to either expend a tow, have someone dismount to clear it, or call up help from above because the 25mm HE was just anemic at moving earth. Therefore, 50mm with rounds that carry a very nice big HE charge.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 14:48 |
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Tuna-Fish posted:Selfquote to add: I can't find the other presentation, but some high-up army guy explained the rationale somewhere, and beyond AA, they want ability to clear obstacles. By his telling, in Iraq they were perfectly happy with Bradley's ability to poke holes in things, but if someone piled up more than 10 bricks on a road, a Bradley had to either expend a tow, have someone dismount to clear it, or call up help from above because the 25mm HE was just anemic at moving earth. Therefore, 50mm with rounds that carry a very nice big HE charge. If you could find it, I would be really interested in this guy's take on it. Moving dirt isn't really the Bradley's mission. I haven't worked with the engineer mod of it but it's pretty lightweight for that kind of work
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 15:06 |
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fatherboxx posted:Surprising no one Possibly a mistranslation. Reuters reports it differently. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/erdogan-says-he-is-agreement-with-putin-that-grain-deal-should-be-extended-2023-07-14/ I.e. Putin agrees it should be extended, but there are some conditions. Peskov also said that Putin hadn't agreed to anything yet.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 15:26 |
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POV almost getting your drone missiled https://v.redd.it/vij5yw8yxvbb1/DASH_720.mp4
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 15:47 |
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LifeSunDeath posted:thankfully the enemy is very stupid I love it how they were videoing it as if the sight of Russia's dumbest mofo springing to the mortar with a shell was going to be some sort of positive propaganda. They were so dumbstruck by this fratricidal idiot's display that the only reaction was to remove safety from the shell. And where the hell is your helmet private
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 15:54 |
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OddObserver posted:Note that the thread also points out that a lot of training days were wasted, with lots of time spent sitting around doing nothing. Good to know that hasn't changed, at least. That and bad housing contractors seem to remain constants. Djarum posted:I think also with the US military there is a VERY serious vetting process for every piece of equipment. They rarely use anything off the shelf because it can easily be compromised in various ways. I am quite surprised that they haven’t invested heavily in small drones that can be used on the platoon/squad level. As we have seen in this conflict they are basically invaluable in modern warfare. I completely agree. The US invested heavily into those Black Hornets, which are great except they cost about $100,000 each. Gdls submission for the Xm30 talks about having one (1) Switchblade drone. The US military needs several types of inexpensive, attritable drones. And they need hundreds of thousands of them. They keep treating every drone like a platform rather than like ammunition.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 16:12 |
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Ynglaur posted:I completely agree. The US invested heavily into those Black Hornets, which are great except they cost about $100,000 each. Gdls submission for the Xm30 talks about having one (1) Switchblade drone. Well if you were an enterprising fellow designing and engineering a domestically made cheap modular drone would likely make you a ton of money. If anyone here does that I expect a cut of the profits.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 16:15 |
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Nenonen posted:
Doing it once is dumb, doing it twice in a row is cognitive impairment from lack of sleep or something else. That guy's either drunk or having a lovely time.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 16:19 |
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Ynglaur posted:Good to know that hasn't changed, at least. That and bad housing contractors seem to remain constants. Even if such cheap off the shelf solutions exist, isn’t the procurement of the military politically motivated and only contracts for expensive, complex, over engineered products the only one capable of winning?
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 16:23 |
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Kraftwerk posted:Even if such cheap off the shelf solutions exist, isn’t the procurement of the military politically motivated and only contracts for expensive, complex, over engineered products the only one capable of winning? Americans are trying and have tried to make drones, this page has a pretty good write up: https://www.thedronegirl.com/2020/06/23/american-drone-companies/ But the issue is that DJI has a massive advantage in that market. quote:A Department of Interior Mission Functionality and Data Management Assurance Assessment from July 2019 seeking out “inexpensive and highly capable aircraft” found that any drones “available from U.S. based companies were up to 10x less capable for the same price, or up to 10x more costly than similarly capable DJI aircraft.”
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 16:31 |
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How do American drones compare in cost/effectiveness to the Iranian ones being used in the war?
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 16:34 |
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Tiny Timbs posted:Doing it once is dumb, doing it twice in a row is cognitive impairment from lack of sleep or something else. That guy's either drunk or having a lovely time. Most likely it is a joke video
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 16:42 |
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Kraftwerk posted:Even if such cheap off the shelf solutions exist, isn’t the procurement of the military politically motivated and only contracts for expensive, complex, over engineered products the only one capable of winning? The value of a dollar goes a lot further overseas for various economic reasons. This can cause hilarious disconnects in pricing because in the US the cost of training a fresh faced LT is the same as two Ukrainian Specops. Groggy nard fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jul 14, 2023 |
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Ynglaur posted:The US military needs several types of inexpensive, attritable drones. And they need hundreds of thousands of them. They keep treating every drone like a platform rather than like ammunition. Australia has been sending cardboard drones to Ukraine. I feel like the ability to saturate enemy airspace with cheap drones would be extremely useful. Put some radar reflectors on them and just have them fly in circles over enemy territory and then return to land in a field somewhere for collection. Now they can either shoot down $2-3000 drones with $100.000 AA missiles or ignore them and risk having surveillance or armed drones mixed in with the swarm. Someone figure out how to marry a small engine from something like a chainsaw or leafblower to a cardboard fuselage and an arduino unit.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 16:53 |
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Kraftwerk posted:Even if such cheap off the shelf solutions exist, isn’t the procurement of the military politically motivated and only contracts for expensive, complex, over engineered products the only one capable of winning? Historically, yes. That seems to be changing, at least for some things. I've certainly seen changes in terms of how state-level governments procure in the US. Cpt_Obvious posted:How do American drones compare in cost/effectiveness to the Iranian ones being used in the war? Iran's are less "drone" and more "cruise missile". I think a US Tomahawk goes for about a million dollars. The Shaheds are around $100,000. The Tomahawks are far more capable. It remains to be seen if floods of $100,000 cruise missiles are worthwhile. I'm not sure we'll know until we see how inexpensive we can make air defense. It's like a reverse-arms race right now in terms of cost effectiveness. Groggy nard posted:The value of a dollar goes a lot further overseas for various economic reasons. This can cause hilarious disconnects in pricing because in the US the cost of training a fresh faced LT is the same as two Ukrainian Specops. This is something that is very under-appreciated. Everyone goes, "Wow, the US spends more on its military than every other country! They're so war-like!" I mean, yes, we are sometimes, but military spend relative to GDP is probably a fairer measure of efficiency given the relative strength of the dollar compared to most currencies.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 17:01 |
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Ynglaur posted:Historically, yes. That seems to be changing, at least for some things. I've certainly seen changes in terms of how state-level governments procure in the US. Shaheds are something like $10,000-$50,000 each.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 18:23 |
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Charliegrs posted:Shaheds are something like $10,000-$50,000 each. I think the overall point is fair that the Shahed is a loitering munition and not a traditional drone and is lacking a direct counterpart in the US arsenal.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 18:31 |
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Charliegrs posted:Shaheds are something like $10,000-$50,000 each. More to the point.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 18:32 |
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Owling Howl posted:Australia has been sending cardboard drones to Ukraine. Just a bunch of of those light up drones they use at concerts and such drawing a big penis in the sky
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 18:33 |
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ummel posted:Just a bunch of of those light up drones they use at concerts and such drawing a big penis in the sky That would have the benefit of pissing off Iran's hardliners...
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 18:45 |
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Charliegrs posted:Shaheds are something like $10,000-$50,000 each. They are effectively RC planes with a DSLR and packed with plastic explosive. There isn’t much to them. I think you are going to see a LOT of effectively Land Phalanx Weapon Systems on a vehicle frame being developed to handle drones and missiles being fielded in the coming years. You’ll probably see a couple in each armor group.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:05 |
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I'm curious to see if anyone builds short range anti-radiation missiles to attack small drone operators directly.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:14 |
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I wonder how well Iron Dome would do against a Shahed drone and if it would be cost effective.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:17 |
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Tiny Timbs posted:Doing it once is dumb, doing it twice in a row is cognitive impairment from lack of sleep or something else. That guy's either drunk or having a lovely time. If you ever seen a brain running on fumes and stress hormones yeah it goes like that
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:23 |
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Safety Dance posted:I'm curious to see if anyone builds short range anti-radiation missiles to attack small drone operators directly. That depends on what the strength/frequency differences are between the signal from an anti-air-radar, and a drone controller. I could imagine the drone operating signal being a lot weaker and thus harder to find and lock on to. It might be tricky to fit a detector sensitive enough inside a missile. I'm guessing people have already mounted such detectors on aircraft and other drones. It's definitely better bang for buck to take out the operator than take out the more replaceable drone. Though most of the point of drone operation is being as far away as possible from threats, so range could be a bigger issue than detection. Still, could be useful to counter frontline troops tossing up small drones to check out the trench just ahead of them.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:28 |
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Some speculation about the state of the Russian defenders given a recent flurry of reports about ammunition and troop shortages https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1679893186620141582 Threadreader for the above: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1679893186620141582.html https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1679783976595013632 quote:
https://twitter.com/ArmedMaidan/status/1679861202606759936 quote:Ukraine "close to a bigger kind of success": Estonian military intelligence boss, Col. Margo Grosberg Maybe the speed of the counter offensive may change soon, if this really is the state of things.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:34 |
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fatherboxx posted:Most likely it is a joke video I guess I shouldn't rule it out for grunt behavior but when I worked around explosives I always drew the line at using them for prop gags
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:35 |
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Safety Dance posted:I'm curious to see if anyone builds short range anti-radiation missiles to attack small drone operators directly. Aren't they already just aiming artillery at operator positions anyway? Drone controls are pretty loud
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:36 |
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Chalks posted:https://twitter.com/ArmedMaidan/status/1679861202606759936 Hold on, is he wearing a "Russian warship, go gently caress yourself" gang tag? What's your account name, Colonel Grosberg?
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:38 |
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It's not a surprise to see memes on UA uniforms. There's been a large pro-Ukraine meme effort since the war began. Saint Javelin and all that.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:40 |
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Moon Slayer posted:Hold on, is he wearing a "Russian warship, go gently caress yourself" gang tag? Nah, it says Slava Ukraini.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 19:54 |
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Moon Slayer posted:Hold on, is he wearing a "Russian warship, go gently caress yourself" gang tag? drat that's a classic goon brain reaction to a flag with some text!
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 20:17 |
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tractor fanatic posted:Aren't they already just aiming artillery at operator positions anyway? Drone controls are pretty loud If it really becomes an issue you can just connect to a detached antenna with a cable though, anti radiation will only find the transmitter and the operator can be a good distance away.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 20:21 |
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mutata posted:It's not a surprise to see memes on UA uniforms. There's been a large pro-Ukraine meme effort since the war began. Saint Javelin and all that. He's an Estonian intelligence officer wearing a UA patch.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 20:42 |
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Morrow posted:He's an Estonian intelligence officer wearing a UA patch. Ok. Same post but insert "Estonian" wherever you'd prefer.
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# ? Jul 14, 2023 20:45 |