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Held fast except for picking up one of those 2TB SN850X. Any other upgrades I was looking at was would have tempted me with a full rebuild, but not enough games have pushed my setup (Ryzen 5 3600/GTX1070/32GB DDR4 3200MHz @ 1440p) to a point where I could justify spending on bigger upgrades. My total SSD storage is less than that SN850X though, and the fewer SATA cables I gotta deal with next upgrade the happier I'll be. I do have one concern: I think the PSU I've had in this machine is pushing 10 years. Am I asking for trouble by not replacing it soon? Or is it (based on that PSU and/or the fact it's lasted til now) an Ivan Drago, "if it dies, it dies" situation?
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Minidust posted:Thanks!! Don't have that graphics card in stock by me BUT those CPU bundles are lookin pretty good. I'm still wavering on the GPU front anyway, part of me still wants to say screw it and jump on the first 4090 that gets a decent sale aaahhh  I went with the 4080 because I was hoping to retain my 750w power supply, but the Intel 13700 pushed it just over. I'm almost certain I'm going to return it - The PNY 4090 someone purchased upthread is now 1575 on Amazon.. for an extra 500 bucks it seems like the most future proofing thing I could purchase   I'm only buying this because I managed to knock iced tea into the exhaust port on my previous Death Star  I've spilled maybe 3 drinks ever in front of a computer; this was the perfect combination of a standing desk, a big mug, and a case with fans on the top. Pulled the power instantly, field stripped the PC and dried everything with towels and compressed air, then let it sit overnight and it booted up fine, but escalating BSODs  Parts of my old PC may be recoverable so once everything has arrived I'll do some testingPCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor ($359.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Deepcool LT720 85.85 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($125.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($209.99 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory ($219.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card ($1199.00 @ Amazon) Case: Fractal Design Torrent ATX Mid Tower Case ($189.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.99 @ Newegg) Total: $2744.91 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-13 10:08 EDT-0400 EDIT fwiw I most certainly did not pay that price. I think I was closer to 2200? I spent more than that building my last pc 3 years ago: 3800x, asus tuf gaming x570, 64mb ddr4-3600, wd 1tb nvme, 2080 super, 750w power supply.
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Vampire Panties posted:Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg) Is the extra RAM from forgetting to delete a set from the builder or is there a reason to spec like this?
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kavik posted:Is the extra RAM from forgetting to delete a set from the builder or is there a reason to spec like this?  no its a mistake, it shouldve been the trident 32gb (2 x 16gb dimm) twice
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Vampire Panties posted:
Don't run 4 sticks of RAM if you can avoid it, memory controllers will struggle to run at their rated speed. Just get 2x32 instead of 4x16 if you really need 64 GB.
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These might be some dumb questions, but bear with me. The last time I built a computer, the common wisdom was to use a small fast SSD as your boot drive (I think mine was 128GB), and then a larger HDD (1TB?) for storage. I had a few key things in the SSD, but most stuff ended up on a HDD or a larger SSD added later. With the new build I’ll be putting together this weekend, I have the WD SN850X in 2TB and 4TB versions (because I couldn’t resist the sales), and then the 2 SATA 1TB SSDs I’m bringing from my current build. I’m assuming I’ll want all programs on the NVMe drives, and other random stuff on the SATA drives as needed, but does it still matter to have the OS kind of sectioned off from other things? Would it make more sense to use the 2TB or the 4TB as the primary? My motherboard (B650 Aorus Elite AX) has a PCIe 5.0 M.2 slot. I assume I use that for the boot drive even if my drives are Gen4? Do I put the other drive in the M.2 slot by the GPU or the further away slot that passes through the chipset? I read what I could, including the diagrams in the motherboard manual, but I ran into conflicting info about the GPU having to share PCIe lanes. Parts are starting to arrive, so I’m trying to make sure I have things planned out before I dive in. I’m totally comfortable with the physical part of building, it’s the planning I’m unsure of.
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Put the OS on whatever nvme you want.
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Shipon posted:Don't run 4 sticks of RAM if you can avoid it, memory controllers will struggle to run at their rated speed. Just get 2x32 instead of 4x16 if you really need 64 GB. Supposedly getting up to 6000 MT/s is possible with two dimms per channel on Intel, but it's going to be significantly more fiddly than just using two 32GB sticks. WattsvilleBlues posted:A friend is asking me to put together a parts list for a "gaming" machine for him. I have what I think are similar Intel and AMD builds, with a placeholder 4GB GPU stuck in until I know what monitor he'll be getting. He hasn't played PC or console games since about 2002 so I imagine he'll be looking for 1080p 60Hz. The upgrade from 16GB to 32GB is fairly cheap all things considered and I think worth it for any system being built in 2023. The 2x16GB Kingston Fury DDR4-3600 CL16 stuff is £78 while you can get 32GB of DDR5-6000 for around £100. The extra memory will be worth the extra £30 in the long run, I think.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Supposedly getting up to 6000 MT/s is possible with two dimms per channel on Intel, but it's going to be significantly more fiddly than just using two 32GB sticks. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb/p/N82E16820374468?Item=N82E16820374468 https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144564?Item=N82E16813144564 https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-13700k-core-i7-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118414?Item=N82E16819118414 Tested both sticks individually and they both work fine but once I add that 2nd stick to the 4th slot, it won't post and the motherboard stalls/eventually restarts with the RAM error light lit up. Not sure how to fix it.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Supposedly getting up to 6000 MT/s is possible with two dimms per channel on Intel, but it's going to be significantly more fiddly than just using two 32GB sticks. For sure, memory is far too cheap now to even considering going less than 32 GB. I picked up a 64 GB kit (2x32) of 6000cl30 for $290 when the 7800x3d launched and that same kit is down to $215 now, ouch for me personally but pretty great news for anyone building now.
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I've got two questions: one short and one long. The short question: I asked about whether or not my local computer shope would accept parts that I bought myself so they could assemble it. I'm going to try and call tomorrow to see whether they'd do that or not, but if not, do you think at the very least they'd mount the CPU on the motherboard? If I have to build it myself, that would be the part that would worry me the most. - The longer question: Should I stick with the 4070-Ti, or should I go with a different card? I want to stick with NVIDIA because the ray-tracing, DLSS, and all that jazz. The Ti sounds to be about $200 more than the regular 4070 and gets a pretty substantial improvement. The 4080 is like $400 more (some reviews I read say it's overpriced, which I agree with; seems like it should've been $1k). I'm also not sure what manufacturer I should go with. With one of the list I was recommended (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tZV6cb), it used the one by PNY VERTO, which is cheaper, but I'm wondering if I'd be better off/safer going with a different one. The build at local computer shop uses the ASUS TUF. I looked that up, and I found there's also the ASUS TUF OC (I guess overclock?) I dunno, it's all really hard to keep track of. 
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I've got a couple hundred bucks to get some upgrades, what do you guys think is the priority? CPU: Intel i5-9400F RAM: 16gb GPU: GTX 1050 I definitely need more RAM, I can see if I can get a better GPU as well, i feel like my CPU is probably fine? or at least shouldn't be the priority, the RAM is definitely the priority
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Thumbtacks posted:I've got a couple hundred bucks to get some upgrades, what do you guys think is the priority? RAM is fine, upgrade the GPU. The 1050 is... equal to or worse than AMD's integrated graphics at this point: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
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Thumbtacks posted:I've got a couple hundred bucks to get some upgrades, what do you guys think is the priority? Do you mean for playing video games, or doing something else? What's your budget to throw at this? GPU is top priority, by far. 16GB is enough to run almost every game well, with a handful of outliers wanting more than that. The best value GPU options are the AMD 6600 / XT around $200, the AMD 6700 XT at $300, or if you absolutely must go Nvidia and want the Nvidia specific stuff a used 3060 Ti for cheap or a 4060 for $300. The best value buy overall is a $300 RX 6700 XT.
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Are you looking to improve gaming performance? Because more RAM is not going to have an impact on that except in maybe a small handful of games, or if you're trying to add 100 mods to skyrim. Upgrading the GPU will have by far the biggest impact on performance. efb
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If you're just looking for the most bang-for-buck gaming performance boost I'd definitely go with a new GPU first - you can get the RX 6650 XT for around $240 and it'd be a massive upgrade, but even the $180 RX 6600 would make a huge difference compared to the 1050 e:f,b thrice haha
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Sure, I would get a Radeon 6700 XT if you have about $300 to spend and the CPU/MB can wait. Get 32GB of DDR4 3600 if you have an extra $60 after that.
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Gaming performance specifically would be nice, r I’ve got like $400 set aside for this so I can probably do both, I think that 16gb of Ram is 2x8. I’ve had games hanging a lot recently and task manager is saying I’m maxed out on memory, which is why I thought it might be a priority. Would help with loading times and stuff too which would be great
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Thumbtacks posted:Gaming performance specifically would be nice, r I’ve got like $400 set aside for this so I can probably do both, I think that 16gb of Ram is 2x8. I’ve had games hanging a lot recently and task manager is saying I’m maxed out on memory, which is why I thought it might be a priority. Would help with loading times and stuff too which would be great The 1050 came out in 2016, and even back then it was MSRP $109. Yes, it can technically play games but its like a bicycle can technically ride on the street. I would get the best graphics card you can, and then like two or three months from now toss in a couple more sticks of ram so you can leave chrome running while gaming.
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Shop around for a $300 deal on a 6700XT and then shop around for a deal on 32gb of DDR4. I think you can squeeze both in your budget with some bargain hunting.
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TheDemon posted:Shop around for a $300 deal on a 6700XT and then shop around for a deal on 32gb of DDR4. I think you can squeeze both in your budget with some bargain hunting. I would also recommend sinking at all of it into GPU however. You are going to be holding onto this graphics card for a long time and the extra ram you can easily pick up whenever. It won’t be possible down the road though to toss a little bit of money at your graphics card and to make it better however. The good news is that whether you spend $300 or $400 on your GPU it is going to be like more than twice as powerful as what you’ve got now.
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Yeah I’d try and get a $300 6700xt while that deal is still going.
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Well, good news: I called my local computer shop today, and they said that they would indeed take parts I provided to them to build a system; they just can't offer a warranty as predicted. They're also able to mount/post the CPU and the RAM onto the motherboard for a fee, which would be dependent on the parts (higher-grade parts costing more).
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Max Wilco posted:(higher-grade parts costing more). Uh what? What are they quoting you?
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Any halfway decent computer place should be quoting a flat for assembly. Higher-powered parts aren't somehow more difficult or time-consuming to install. Time to find another shop.
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yeah having a scale to insure them against the expensivity of the parts they're installing means they aren't confident they can do it correctly without breaking something. do not go to there, imo
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Or they're happy to take advantage of someone that doesn't really know better
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Looks like I can get a $350 6700XT at bestbuy rn, and they ahve 32gb ram for like $60 so that might be the way to go, as long as that card is compatible with my board and stuff it should be fine
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Thumbtacks posted:Looks like I can get a $350 6700XT at bestbuy rn, and they ahve 32gb ram for like $60 so that might be the way to go, as long as that card is compatible with my board and stuff it should be fine That’s not bad but if you wanted to shop around you could do better. If saving $50 isn’t a big deal then I’d just do that.
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What country are you in? Canada Do you live near Microcenter? Nope What are you using the system for? Gaming mostly What's your budget? 2000-2500 CAD including monitor CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($379.00 @ Newegg Canada) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($109.95 @ Amazon Canada) Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 UD AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($259.99 @ Newegg Canada) Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL38 Memory ($131.98 @ Newegg Canada) Storage: Kingston NV2 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($111.99 @ Amazon Canada) Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card ($804.99 @ Newegg Canada) Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case ($124.98 @ Newegg Canada) Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($147.98 @ Newegg Canada) Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ1A 27.0" 2560 x 1440 170 Hz Monitor ($399.99 @ Amazon Canada) Total: $2470.85 I want to build a gaming PC with a monitor that can double as a screen for my work laptop. Mostly running solidworks / autocad etc so the more screen real estate the better, at the office I have a dual 24" 1080p setup. For games I'm looking for 1440p 60fps+.
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I have the Noctua and I love love love it but definitely get the cheaper one someone is going to post right below me in about 20 seconds.
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Thermalright Peerless Assassin - https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0B8MN4BM2/?coliid=I3JEGB8O3FDTFP&colid=2O1GXHP9AHBPB&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it I'd also think about switching the case to a Lancool 216 - https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/qP2WGX/lian-li-lancool-216-atx-mid-tower-case-lancool-216x For just about the same price you get better fans and a front-panel USB-C port grack fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Jul 15, 2023 |
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Max Wilco posted:Well, good news: I called my local computer shop today, and they said that they would indeed take parts I provided to them to build a system; they just can't offer a warranty as predicted. Putting the ram into the motherboard is surprisingly simple because they literally design it so that you cannot put it in backwards. The CPU even has a little dot you line up with another little bit just watch a video on how your CPU is installed. It takes like 10 seconds to do these things. Honestly, these days there are so few parts to put together. I would just watch some YouTube videos and build it myself. If you do pay for them to put it together just make sure you get one fee for putting it all together. Don’t let them build half of the computer and then charge you a bunch to finish the job. There is zero difference in installing a low end and high-end CPU. Only the size of cooler.
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Thumbtacks posted:Looks like I can get a $350 6700XT at bestbuy rn, and they ahve 32gb ram for like $60 so that might be the way to go, as long as that card is compatible with my board and stuff it should be fine What power supply do you have? Let’s make sure it’s not like a prebuilt 250 watts or something low like that. “Being a dual-slot card, the AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT draws power from 1x 6-pin + 1x 8-pin power connector, with power draw rated at 230 W maximum.” I think you need 500-550watts, maybe a nice 400-450
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Crustashio posted:What country are you in? Canada Consider the Gigabyte M27Q instead. It comes with a KVM switch built in, which may be useful for swapping to and from your laptop. The M27Q used to have a BGR subpixel layout which meant text clarity wasn't perfect, but they did a panel swap earlier this year and now they're shipping them with an RGB subpixel arrangement. (any listing that says 92% DCI-P3 coverage is for the new panel) edit: You probably want a couple extra fans to go with that case. Or you could get similarly priced cases that come with all the fans you need, like the Phanteks G360A, Lian Li Lancool 216, or Fractal Design Pop Air. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jul 15, 2023 |
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grack posted:Thermalright Peerless Assassin - https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0B8MN4BM2/?coliid=I3JEGB8O3FDTFP&colid=2O1GXHP9AHBPB&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it Thanks, I had looked for the peerless on newegg but it was all overseas shipping for some reason. Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Consider the Gigabyte M27Q instead. It comes with a KVM switch built in, which may be useful for swapping to and from your laptop. The M27Q used to have a BGR subpixel layout which meant text clarity wasn't perfect, but they did a panel swap earlier this year and now they're shipping them with an RGB subpixel arrangement. (any listing that says 92% DCI-P3 coverage is for the new panel) Wow, that's a new one for me. It works via usb-c on the laptop? I have used usb-c wireless remote display adapters at work, but never anything for keyboard/mouse.
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Crustashio posted:Wow, that's a new one for me. It works via usb-c on the laptop? I have used usb-c wireless remote display adapters at work, but never anything for keyboard/mouse. I haven't actually used this particular monitor, but the way I believe it works is that you connect your desktop to the monitor via HDMI or DisplayPort and a USB-B cable, you connect your laptop to it via USB-C (with DP alt mode support), and then you connect your keyboard and mouse to its two USB-A ports. Then it should switch your KB/M over to the new device when switching inputs.
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spunkshui posted:What power supply do you have? Let’s make sure it’s not like a prebuilt 250 watts or something low like that. I had an issue with my power supply years ago and went overboard getting a better one, it's like a 650 or something. Definitely capable, the only concern is whether or not the GPU would be compatible with my motherboard, unless it doesn't have the slots or something. Here's the motherboard I have, idk if this needs to be replaced but I think it's newer than the other things I'm looking to replace. I don't know why they wouldn't be compatible, and the only thing on the GPU requirements is a recommended 650W PSU which I have.
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spunkshui posted:Putting the ram into the motherboard is surprisingly simple because they literally design it so that you cannot put it in backwards. It's probably not the best tutorial, but I played a bit of PC Building Simulator, and yeah, installing RAM seems pretty simple. I just bring that up because they mentioned it on the phone. My dad put a computer together several years ago, and he told me it was stressful trying to get the CPU in (in fairness, he told me another issue is that the instructions he was following weren't that great, so that might have been part of the problem). When I try to do some kind of small-scale work (ex. trying to apply very small decals on a model), sometimes I get really nervous about trying to do it accurately, and my hands start to sweat. With something like a model or what have you, it's not a big deal. With hardware that costs hundreds of dollars with really fragile pins that render useless if one of them breaks, it stresses me out just thinking about it. Past that, though, there's also dealing with the CPU cooler. Since I want to go with a liquid cooler for a CPU, there's the issue of arranging the tubes for it, which if not done correctly, can cause heating issues with other components. There's also figuring out the wiring, where to place the fans, and so on. I'd rather they just build the whole thing; having them mount the CPU was something I thought would help me bypass one of the more stressful parts of doing it myself for bit extra (I think they said it ranged from $50-200). I'm going to go there tomorrow to try and get some more details. Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Jul 15, 2023 |
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