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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Is there any mechanical reason to go for more side quests once renown is covered other than new character leveling? As far as I can tell there’s no downside to ignoring them. not really no. the rewards, outside of usually very safe xp besides mahjood being annoying, are i think exclusively the materials caches. the first time you complete the various side quest chains you unlock some titles. i don’t know if anything that gets like gated behind having not done a sidequest like say not being able to use s waypoint if you haven’t finished a stronghold
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Is there any mechanical reason to go for more side quests once renown is covered other than new character leveling? As far as I can tell there’s no downside to ignoring them. You no longer have to see the ! markers on your map.
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Mustached Demon posted:Those three plus a bar of nature skills (and poison creeper) shits all over with landslide. yeah i might switch back to creeper in that setup but tbh I dunno if it's even necessary trampleslide just covers most of the screen in double-hit landslides and i put the aspect on my 2H weapon so they get bonus damage too. it just deletes entire packs, it's fun
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Swilo posted:You no longer have to listen to NPCs grumbling that their eyes can only see so much.
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Pellisworth posted:yeah i might switch back to creeper in that setup but tbh I dunno if it's even necessary There's a board dedicated to poisoned enemies with nodes that boost DR and damage vs poisoned enemies. Creeper activates that. There's also a board that makes you poison stuff iirc.
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Mustached Demon posted:There's a board dedicated to poisoned enemies with nodes that boost DR and damage vs poisoned enemies. Creeper activates that. There's also a board that makes you poison stuff iirc. oh sweet, good to know. I'm still on my first paragon board so haven't got to some of those synergies yet. that makes sense. this feels like my first "real" build that actually works nicely. probably gonna roll druid in season 1 too.
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Pellisworth posted:oh sweet, good to know. I'm still on my first paragon board so haven't got to some of those synergies yet. that makes sense. Yeah you can ride it to 100 easy.
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Season 1 stuff and links: -For renown - Wait till > 70 and then drop back to WT1. You can now sprint through the dungeons ignoring the mobs and focus on the objectives. If you're in a group, the completion and codex unlock is shared w/ everyone else no matter where they are. So everyone splits up and does their own dungeon; drastically cutting down on the time. There should be plenty of discord groups titled "WT1 renown split farm" or the like. Here's ~22 side quests. "Map of All Side Quests That Lead To Dungeons for Optimal Renown on 1ºSeason" https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/14ymfd1/map_of_all_side_quests_that_lead_to_dungeons_for/ -You may be able to create a new seasonal character and claim all the gold, delete it, and then recreate for 65k total. Do this for about 10 minutes for a million gold approx. Should be enough for a little headstart so you can salvage all w/o worry about missing out on a good vendor item or w/e. 4 minute vid from Royalkubs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daFoUF2mtgQ -Stronghold resetting with the "ring the bell / bonus xp from completion" is doable in groups and insane xp. 2 speedruners Jymnasium and Vitruth found the bug/exploit and have reported it, but it may not be fixed by season launch. 7.5 min vid from Raxxanterax explaining it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5htXfP_wvzw -Diablo 4 - Stat/Damage optimization spreadsheet + Damage equation followup 7min vid. How to use spreadsheet starts @ 2 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J3nf6kZ4OFLhorbT1UsMSsWFXwc8CFMcR8Bu1sJBrmc/edit#gid=0 -Xarrio has an ongoing series about DR and everything related. Including when and why DR%/+Armor/+Life is better. Effective HP Calc spreadsheet in Part 5 vid.
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Pellisworth posted:yeah it's really fun. idk how trampleslide works mechanically but the tooltip says it spawns 6 landslides which is kinda misleading, in a good way? it fills the whole screen with landslides lol, just deletes groups of mobs. the trample itself does good damage too, feels good to just charge into elites, shove them into a wall then the ground opens up and eats everything. I think I killed the boss with like 2-3 trampleslides targeted underneath it. very fun and pretty effective. Yeah, Petrify is a lot better than Cataclysm also I would recommend to add the Poison Creeper and the poison passives instead of Hurricane. To me felt a lot better than the added dps or lucky hits from Hurricane.
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Zeg posted:
Same except level 100 and also never saw Teremity, though that one is less exciting. And I don’t think I’ll ever hit 100 again unless they do something about item power.
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Pellisworth posted:yeah it's really fun. idk how trampleslide works mechanically but the tooltip says it spawns 6 landslides which is kinda misleading, in a good way? it fills the whole screen with landslides lol, just deletes groups of mobs. the trample itself does good damage too, feels good to just charge into elites, shove them into a wall then the ground opens up and eats everything. I think I killed the boss with like 2-3 trampleslides targeted underneath it. very fun and pretty effective. My build was all earth skills except hurricane and trample after I got the aspect, petrify is really good. procs cataclysm 1/3 of the time anyways. Hurricane was just to apply vuln mostly, but it's decent dps regardless. S.J. fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jul 15, 2023 |
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bio347 posted:I find there to be a really weird disconnect with gear versus level. Like, ancestral gear is the exact same whether you're level 68 or level 98. there wasnt really a difference between like level 70 and 100 in d2 either. at least levels offer a lot of power in this game Gejimayu posted:My whirlwind bleed build was feeling weak at 55 so I respecced to robs latest ww build but its clearly for a higher level than im at. Biggest issue is fury gen. Anybody recommend one that can clear the capstone at around 60? I don't want to redo all my aspects and still not have a strong build. just spend a little more time with lunging, or whatever you use for a builder? try to reroll fury cost reduction on your boots or resource gen on your rings. and umbral works just as well as the fury/sec so try to gamble either one of those
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Verviticus posted:there wasnt really a difference between like level 70 and 100 in d2 either. at least levels offer a lot of power in this game Seconding fury cost reduction, but resource gen on rings only rolls on ancestral level gear IIRC. The biggest boons to fury gen gear wise would be the shout cd and shout fury/sec aspects; otherwise you can play around with fury on weapon swap passives and fury/sec while berserking.
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odinson posted:Season 1 stuff and links: Oh hey look, spreadsheets that tell you when main stat is better than vuln, waoow
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What bucket is a multiplicitive increase like the additional effect of say the unleash glyph? Is that just straight on top of the three buckets or what And do all the "damage reduction" paragon nodes get summed prior to calculation or is it a bunch of little 4 percent boosts (ie. Damage reduction from elites from a number of different nodes) flashman fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Jul 16, 2023 |
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flashman posted:What bucket is a multiplicitive increase like the additional effect of say the unleash glyph? Is that just straight on top of the three buckets or what The DR I don't know off the top of my head but the final link in the post I quoted covers it. Most multiplicative increases on the paragon board or aspects are their own novel buckets, usually conditionally applied. Honestly the buckets thing seems confusing to me and I think it's blizzard's fault for not having more consistent vocabulary defining the way things work.
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Do Necromancer minions inherit some default percentage of thorns (like 30%)? There's gear affixes that are worded like "Your minions inherit x% of your thorns", which makes it seem like they don't. Otherwise, I would expect the affix to be worded like "Your minions inherit an additional x% of your thorns". Also, I want to complain about the minion AI. For whatever reason, the warriors and the golem love switching targets to "new" things. Things like minions that suddenly spawn in, recently resurrected minions, walls. I've had my entire melee force break a complete surround on the butcher to go attack a lone skeleton archer that had wandered down a hallway into the fight. The butcher died in the end but I was completely awestruck as to why such a behavior would ever be beneficial. Finally, I want to give a special shout-out to the most polite golem ever. I see you, patiently waiting for the enemies to get out of your way so that you can slam down where I asked you to. I see you, when I unfortunately target a slam too central on a totem or something and then you endlessly run circles around it. I see you, when you get permanently stuck on some level geometry and have no teleport-to-necromancer leashing behavior so I have to teleport out of the dungeon and port back again. Otherwise, I've been enjoying playing as a minion Necro. It's certainly an improvement over D3.
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Brutakas posted:Do Necromancer minions inherit some default percentage of thorns (like 30%)? There's gear affixes that are worded like "Your minions inherit x% of your thorns", which makes it seem like they don't. Otherwise, I would expect the affix to be worded like "Your minions inherit an additional x% of your thorns". I dunno but if you want to watch a 30 min video about minions this dude did a lot of testing. https://youtu.be/Ch49im9cvFU He has time stamps with power point slides if you don’t want to hear him drone on for 30 min.
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Brutakas posted:Do Necromancer minions inherit some default percentage of thorns (like 30%)? There's gear affixes that are worded like "Your minions inherit x% of your thorns", which makes it seem like they don't. Otherwise, I would expect the affix to be worded like "Your minions inherit an additional x% of your thorns". 
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pork never goes bad posted:The DR I don't know off the top of my head but the final link in the post I quoted covers it. Most multiplicative increases on the paragon board or aspects are their own novel buckets, usually conditionally applied. Honestly the buckets thing seems confusing to me and I think it's blizzard's fault for not having more consistent vocabulary defining the way things work. Thanks man appreciate it I will check it out when I can watch a YouTube. Novel bucket seems like it would be... Quite nice? Not as valuable as an exploit or destruction wrt damage out put as the primary effect is quite weak but really trying to explore all the options for mana regen and the lovely lucky hit chance of orb
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Necromancer minion stat inheritance is the wild west. Last I checked they still weren't entirely sure on a lot of things. One thing that I found very funny was that minions only inherit 30% of the "minion attack speed" affix that you can get on gear(I think?) and paragon. They DO however inherit 100% of the SPECIFIC minion attack speed affixes. Really feels like one of those bugs that should have been easy to catch, and maybe they did and it's just low on the priority list.
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flashman posted:What bucket is a multiplicitive increase like the additional effect of say the unleash glyph? Is that just straight on top of the three buckets or what Each source of damage reduction is multiplicative. If they were additive it would be pretty easy to hit 100% DR
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uber lillith is p. hard. not sure why but sometimes it zooms out a little bit before the first adds , then zooms out a bit more. sometimes it doesn’t zoom out at all until the adds then zooms out a lot. makes it really hard to tell where the waves are and what pattern i’ve got nearly perfectly rolled gear, minus a bit of DR on my skillet that i’d prefer to be move speed. 2 of my glyphs are 15 instead of 21, but i don’t see a lot of ways for me to get more power at this point otherwise. i’d really like to beat it before the patch drops and changes stuff but i dunno if i’ve got enough time
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Tarnop posted:Each source of damage reduction is multiplicative. If they were additive it would be pretty easy to hit 100% DR So each 4 percent node is separate? I see
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flashman posted:So each 4 percent node is separate? I see Yup. You'll still be taking 4% less damage than you were each time you click one, so it doesn't feel as weird as the diminishing returns on all the +conditional damage gear
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The only exception is armour, since its not small buckets of damage mitigation, but one big bucket thats relatively easy to cap. Seriously, if you're not armour capped for whatever level of content your doing, you should get right onto that. Its even the main reason Sorc paragon boards are so goddamn awful, they're mostly resist based and not armour like the other classes.
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Decided to roll S1 as a rogue, after experiencing NM50 as a sorc and noping out of that hot mess. Playing with Wudijo's Flurry+Rapid Fire build ATM and it's pretty fun. Bit less tricky than twisting blades on a controller, although it is frustrating when you're all set up to delete something with RF and the drat game just decides you didn't want it to autotarget the only drat thing left in the room, standing right in front of you 
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Don Dongington posted:Decided to roll S1 as a rogue, after experiencing NM50 as a sorc and noping out of that hot mess. I have this issue with penetrating shot from time to time, and sometimes it seems like it automatically shoots twice with one button press. Can't tell if that's just lag or it's the way it works on console.
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Rogue seems like it's quite fun, yeah. Lots of mobility, seems overall pretty good at all stages of the game and you can pick between melee and ranged 
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Yeah after suffering through Sorc I'm ready for Barb or Rogue next season. Honestly I'll probably wait until the actual patch notes/changes to decide, I just hope they are significant.
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Sorc could be improved greatly overnight if they just took out all the pointless maluses on their gear. No other class has them to the same extent and they turn some interesting item effects into total crap.
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Just 100%ed all the regions, the most annoying part being the invisible side quests. But, it's fine, I guess. It wasn't too hard with this guide on the blizzard forums. I'm level 82 and wondering if I should bother pushing to 100 before the season starts, maybe. Who knows, I don't.
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S1 is in 4 days. I'm at least in "I'm not touching D4 until S1" mode. But to be fair I have been for like 3 weeks.
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pork never goes bad posted:Isn't infinimist good too? That looks fun. I think I'll start bone necro and transition to that, pending patch notes, then do something with whatever the new poo poo enables, then back to PoE. Late to the convo on this, but I've been running infinimist since lvl40 ish and while it doesn't throw up 25 million damage per tick, it's definitely the easiest to play, and you don't die ever. Granted, I don't have Black River, which would probably help the damage a lot, and I've only just now touched the 3rd Paragon board, but it let me get to wt4 before I hit 60. It's very fun and very chill. I usually walk in to a huge pile of mobs, hit 3 buttons, run in circles and everything dies. Occasionally throwing in a manual corpse explosion. At lvl 70, and t40nmd, I have to pay more attention by tossing around more corpse tendrils and Decrepify, and make sure my abilities are off cool down before a huge elite mob alpha, but it's still pretty chill. Build it, play with it, see how it fits. I'm probably eventually going to switch over to a blood surge build because I like making the whole screen explode at once, but this build has been fantastic fun so far
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satanic splash-back posted:Rogue is probably the only class that won't get buffed by the next patch because outside of being 1 shot by high level monsters, most builds are somehow mostly viable, different, and fun Being 1 shot constantly is pretty annoying though! Also having your only way to get unstoppable also be your movement ability so you can't actually move with it.
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bamhand posted:Being 1 shot constantly is pretty annoying though! Also having your only way to get unstoppable also be your movement ability so you can't actually move with it. Concealment and shadow clone also grant unstoppable. 3/5 classes are basically one shotted after a certain dungeon level so I'm not sure that's something unique to rogue. E: I forgot some necromancers don't fold like paper but being one shot killed seems more like a game design issue than a class issue is my point satanic splash-back fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jul 16, 2023 |
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Ah I didn't know clone did since I run death trap. Concealment seems fairly useless though and has a longer cd than shadowstep.
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