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How exactly did Gail “trap” the consciousness of a person inside a gigantic multi sided die? I thought Gail peaced out and left harry to rot on his ship.
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The worst adaptation, but the best naked Lee Pace fighting Ninja show on TV.Boris Galerkin posted:How exactly did Gail “trap” the consciousness of a person inside a gigantic multi sided die? By repeating to herself "Its just a show, I should really just relax." Literally nothing in this show is coherent, especially the science. Edit: I see the genetic deviation they introduced was colorblindness and a propensity to chew on the scenery. I approve. Realtalk though, why did they need to staple this to a lovely foundation show? I said it last season, and I'll say it again this one. I enjoy My Three Cleons and all the interesting tales told therein. It is a generally interesting concept that deserves better to be stapled to the side of mystical coin flip lady and her psychic mom. Caros fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Jul 16, 2023 |
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Jul 16, 2023 03:16
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Caros posted:The worst adaptation, but the best naked Lee Pace fighting Ninja show on TV. I mean the real reason is that there isn't any executive in the industry who will put that big of a budget behind an original scifi show but will take the risk for an existing IP. Its dumb but that is where we have gotten to. It's the same in the game industry.
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D-Pad posted:I mean the real reason is that there isn't any executive in the industry who will put that big of a budget behind an original scifi show but will take the risk for an existing IP. Its dumb but that is where we have gotten to. It's the same in the game industry. Sadly, I'm sure you're right. Theory edit: So Demerzel was likely behind the murder attempt, yeah? Keep him from destroying the dynasty with the whole 'kids' idea? She'd be someone in a position to do all of that, she was the one to initiate the sexual relationship which gave her the oppertunity. There is the issue of her keeping him alive once he was wounded, but that could just be an rear end covering once it was clear that the plot had failed. Even the whole. 'Look at me' moments before he was expected to be murdered screams of her feeling bad about it. Caros fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Jul 16, 2023 |
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My theory: a secondary show writer wrote a "3 Cleons" book but couldn't get it published. And he was hired to write for this show, which is showrun by an industry failson and a complete moron. Probably Tim Cook's nephew.
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Jul 16, 2023 04:06
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The 4D maze thing was stupid. Hari was all "a 3d shadow of a 4d whatever" and then that somehow makes that glass wall disappear so he can walk through it. Whoop dee doo.
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stephenthinkpad posted:My theory: a secondary show writer wrote a "3 Cleons" book but couldn't get it published. And he was hired to write for this show, which is showrun by an industry failson and a complete moron. Probably Tim Cook's nephew. Yeah the 3 cleons really seems like something made for another show or book they took to add to this. It just doesn't seem like something you would come up with for this show on it's own.
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D-Pad posted:I mean the real reason is that there isn't any executive in the industry who will put that big of a budget behind an original scifi show but will take the risk for an existing IP. Its dumb but that is where we have gotten to. It's the same in the game industry. I don't disagree with this at all, but my question is, who exactly is the big market for this idea? Asimov is one of the big three, sure, but how popular are the big three these days? I realize us goons are olds now, but why exactly does it seem safer to make a show that isn't actually an adaptation of the IP except in name only, rather than make Three Cleons loving Around and Lee Pace Is Naked A Lot show? I just don't understand it.
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Jul 16, 2023 08:20
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It does make me wonder if this started out as an original IP and then some suit was told it was similar to foundation, so they forced it to be foundation.
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Jul 16, 2023 09:18
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The dialogue on this show sounds like it was written by someone who has never interacted with another human before. "Hey there, I've got an update on your embryos." Rappaport posted:I don't disagree with this at all, but my question is, who exactly is the big market for this idea? Asimov is one of the big three, sure, but how popular are the big three these days? I realize us goons are olds now, but why exactly does it seem safer to make a show that isn't actually an adaptation of the IP except in name only, rather than make Three Cleons loving Around and Lee Pace Is Naked A Lot show? I just don't understand it. My understanding is that IPs are simply attached to projects, in the same way that actors and directors are. They do this because it brings whatever audience that IP has. Depending on what any individual within the project is trying to achieve, they don't particularly care whether they are faithful to it or not. You can have an existing script, and then add whatever flavour is brought in. Or you can just attach a proven story structure to it. People within marketing and the film industry are incapable of making anything new. They are there only to harvest. The really big successes you occasionally see are when people arrive fresh with something new to throw on the fire. If you want to make something beautiful, you don't need a $45 million budget to do it.
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Decided to come back to the show for the spectacle, since we aren't gonna get much of that for the foreseeable future. "I trapped Harry Seldon in a hypercube last night" has got to be one of the more powerful "it happened off-screen" moments I've ever seen in television. It takes a genius to write something that dumb. Otherwise I enjoyed this episode. The balance between the 2 boring characters, Empire, and Seldon was decently struck. I loved robot lady throwing injured Cleon into the white pool all "he's got 21 seconds to live, chop chop." I also loved that Cleon kept his JoJo pose from Season 1 during his fight. 
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Jul 16, 2023 10:33
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When reading the books I always thought Daneel Olivaw didn't play a big enough part so who is to say if getting dicked down by the empire is a worse portrayal
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Jul 16, 2023 13:46
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1) Why do some of you guys call the nanny/sex robot Daneel instead of Dermerzel? 2) Who was the queen, did we meet her before? 3) So Gail “trapping Harry in the cube” wasn’t something that I missed right? I just remember Gail was on the ship with VR Harry and she said gently caress you and the next scene she was in a space pod. 4) What’s this about genetic drift again? I thought they fixed the problem by killing the Cleon that was genetically different. 5) So none of the Cleons we see now existed in season 1?
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To point 1: R. Daneel Olivaw lived, if a robot can be called 'alive', a point in Asimov's writing to boot, for thousands of years under different names, sometimes, such as Demerzel, but Daneel was most established in the so-called robot series of books, where he and a human being from Earth, Elijah Baley, solved crimes together. There's a couple of scenes with Daneel at the very end of the Foundation books, too, and he's probably in the not-so-good prequel Foundation books somewhere, too.
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1. daneel is an immortal robot from the books. i dont know if dermerzel is the same or has the same motivations in this series. book spoilers i guess if you want to look that up 2. queen is new and the head of some trade power thats also probably a new galactic player in this era 3. harry trap in box was done off screen i guess, i was confused as you were 4. genetic drift was revealed last season after they killed the deviant cleon. they determined that all clones going back several generations were corrupted, including day and dusk, and they killed the dude for no reason 5. no
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Aertuun posted:The dialogue on this show sounds like it was written by someone who has never interacted with another human before. I mean this isn't even the first time this has happened with Asimov, right? That "i, robot" movie with Will Smith was (if I remember) a completely unrelated story that someone decided to repackage as the Asimov story because everybody was suddenly buying Roombas from iRobot
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Data Graham posted:I mean this isn't even the first time this has happened with Asimov, right? That "i, robot" movie with Will Smith was (if I remember) a completely unrelated story that someone decided to repackage as the Asimov story because everybody was suddenly buying Roombas from iRobot Out of the big three, Clarke was the only one who got a decent shake at movie adaptations of his work. And Clarke worked with Kubrick, too. Heinlein's stuff is probably mostly unfilmable porn, but I would definitely be interested in a genuine-to-text adaptation of the Daneel and Elijah novels from Asimov. Instead, we get... This.
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Data Graham posted:I mean this isn't even the first time this has happened with Asimov, right? That "i, robot" movie with Will Smith was (if I remember) a completely unrelated story that someone decided to repackage as the Asimov story because everybody was suddenly buying Roombas from iRobot All I remember from that I robot movie is a very prominent Audi TT product placement. Heinlein stays winning. VVV thats kind of my point, Heinlein attacks better director and adoption. stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jul 16, 2023 |
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Naw, starship troopers is a better movie than book. Heinlein is like Rand in that his books are elaborate fiction designed purely as a universe where his awful social ideas somehow work. Recognizing and parodying that was the best possible interpretation to film.
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I still get the heebies from the scene where they torture the brain bug  Outside of the porn novels, maybe Moon is a Harsh Mistress could be filmed sort-of straight-up, but these days it'd just end up being some sort of chud parable of Trump taking over against the "liberal elite". Ugh.
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Eiba posted:There was a little emblem of the Vault on that mayor guy's collar, and they were speaking reverently of the prophet. Interesting social developments have happened! This is teasing good stuff! lol the Foundation started pitching themselves as a techno religion to the backwater outer planets who had lost any technical capacity to operate and repair their own technology, they didn't actually buy into their own bullshit The techno religion is quite literally used to defeat Anacreon when they pull their bullshit with a derelict Empire battlecruiser (which in the show happened 137 years ago). Coincidentally, Salvor Hardin is the mayor at this point, so expect that to happen, along with the Invictus coming back, I guess.
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Rappaport posted:I still get the heebies from the scene where they torture the brain bug Citizen of the Galaxy, you can make a good YA movie out of it. Like Dennis V/Chalamet budget. Moon is also very good, can be made in the Total Recall styled action pack movie. I am also a huge fan of that SHTF story Friday. I still haven't read half of the Heinlein novels, most of the ones I read I like. stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jul 16, 2023 |
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Rappaport posted:I don't disagree with this at all, but my question is, who exactly is the big market for this idea? Asimov is one of the big three, sure, but how popular are the big three these days? I realize us goons are olds now, but why exactly does it seem safer to make a show that isn't actually an adaptation of the IP except in name only, rather than make Three Cleons loving Around and Lee Pace Is Naked A Lot show? I just don't understand it. I would guess it's a CYA thing. If I'm a big executive trying to get a show with a massive budget approved by the bosses if I have an existing IP I can point to some marketing data for the IP: ratings on the book, how many people have read or heard about it, what a focus group says about it etc. If it's an original you've got to spend most of the budget and make it before you can focus group it. Then if it fails I can point to the marketing data and say "foundation is greatly loved by the general public, the show runner hosed it up not me."
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I'd like to see a good adaptation of Rendezvous With Rama, but they'd just turn it into some sci-fi thriller with jump scares and poo poo so probably best to leave that be. Childhood's End would make for a decent TV mini-series I think. Fountains of Paradise could be either I guess
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Is that a joke or do you not know about the mini series
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:Childhood's End would make for a decent TV mini-series I think. I have good news for you on that front! They even got Charles Dance to play the "devil", it's really a fun time.
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:I'd like to see a good adaptation of Rendezvous With Rama, but they'd just turn it into some sci-fi thriller with jump scares and poo poo so probably best to leave that be. Denis Villeneuve signed on to direct an adaptation of Rama. Assuming it ever gets made I’m sure he could do a good version of it.
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Cojawfee posted:Is that a joke or do you not know about the mini series I did not!
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on the subject of golden age poo poo, ive always wanted to see alfred bester's The Stars My Destination adapted. it will be a mess if its ever made
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re: Gaal trapping Seldon in the cube I know it happens off screen but I assumed, somehow, the knife (she's been carrying it across the galaxy all this time) still had a copy of the Seldon that is uploaded to the ship in S1 and then she uploads that to the cube?
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I absolutely don't remember what terrible stuff actually happens in it, but Tunnel In the Sky seems like a shoe-in for a CW show about teenagers on an alien planet in the vein of The 100.
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Caros posted:Sadly, I'm sure you're right.
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Folk have speculated that The My Three Cleons Show came first and then was grafted onto Foundation due to the usual executive cowardice and penchant for existing IP, but I don't really think that is likely, it's just that there's only a few realistic ways you can tell a story spanning an immense amount of time and keep the same actors. Remember all the production, marketing and social media effort expended on Hot D telling us how yes these are the same characters, you'll love these new actors like you loved the earlier ones, yes yes good, this is the episode where they change over yes yes, don't panic yes yes it's going to be all right don't worry there there go back to sleep now. You had to think there must have been at least one early draft where the producers were asking themselves if they could do it with in-episode flashbacks instead, rather than a necessary re-cast halfway through the season. And that's only across a slice of a lifetime of a character, not hundreds of years of a galactic empire. And yes, you're right, audiences are actually generally fine with re-casts! Rhodey. Rachel Dawes. Whatever. But remember the key phrase "executive cowardice", here expressed as they'd rather not re-cast unless they absolutely have to. So we have to answer the question of how we keep the same bods across the timescale, and they're just doing them all: clones, robits, digital consciousness, and everyone's favourite, jumpsintoastasispodattheendofeachseasonandpopsoutatthebeginningofthenext. Thus a major reason why the Cleon stuff works is not only the better writing, being unmoored from the original, but because it allows actors to act. Same face, different character, money please.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I’m having a hard time accepting that the will smith iRobot movie and this tv show takes place in the same universe lol. best to not think of it this way
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I'd have less of a problem with this show if it wasn't poisoning the IP and making sure we probably won't ever have an attempt at an actual big budget Foundation story Sex Clones in Karate Space is fine I guess. Just call it that. Boris Galerkin posted:I’m having a hard time accepting that the will smith iRobot movie and this tv show takes place in the same universe lol. Still time for a badass motorcycle chase but I feel like they would have led with that in the trailer
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Boris Galerkin posted:I’m having a hard time accepting that the will smith iRobot movie and this tv show takes place in the same universe lol. Foundation is so far into the future of I, Robot that R. Daneel/Demerzel is literally the living being that knows the location of Earth. So hopefully Will Smith guest stars in a season cliffhanger as Gaal's ancestor or a secret Cleon or something.
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In one of the Elijah Baley books it's mentioned that one of the stories in I, Robot is considered an implausible myth, later for plot reasons, but R. Daneel Olivaw never partook in the adventures of Susan Calvin, who is the heroine of those stories for the most part. So there's thousands of years between those stories, the robot novels, and then more thousands of years between those and Foundation.
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Data Graham posted:I mean this isn't even the first time this has happened with Asimov, right? That "i, robot" movie with Will Smith was (if I remember) a completely unrelated story that someone decided to repackage as the Asimov story because everybody was suddenly buying Roombas from iRobot these are pretty legit tho if you accept it's just like every other automation where you still gotta do 1/3 of the job (going around and picking all the stuff off the floor so the vacuum doesn't try to eat the dog toys or dirty laundry) I kinda enjoyed this first episode so I dunno. I'll watch it for the Adventures of Cleon and Cleon and Cleon (and also I guess if Gaal Dornick wants to go swimming its also cool)
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