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The other thing about that workout tape that's hilarious is that it says that it's 45 minutes on the box, and to get the tape to that run time they have a segment after the workout. In it, we watch the same workout again but at "Warrior speed"
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Gavok posted:I once cosplayed as Savage's greatest role.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:he knows how make a song sound just close enough to licensed music without breaking copyright laws Jimmy Hart was the lead singer of the Gentrys, who sold a million records of their hit song "Keep on Dancin' (and a-Prancin')" in 1965, so he had chops.
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Rowdy Roddy Piper was a smash on It's Always Sunny and I'm sad he died  He was absolutely perfect for the role
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Defiance Industries posted:The other thing about that workout tape that's hilarious is that it says that it's 45 minutes on the box, and to get the tape to that run time they have a segment after the workout. In it, we watch the same workout again but at "Warrior speed" Please tell me this is on the internet somewhere.
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Defiance Industries posted:The other thing about that workout tape that's hilarious is that it says that it's 45 minutes on the box, and to get the tape to that run time they have a segment after the workout. In it, we watch the same workout again but at "Warrior speed" lol
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Literally A Person posted:Macho Man was a sick voice actor. There's an episode of Dexter's Lab he guest stars in and he's just drat good. that's my favorite episode, he's like a cosmic wrestler fighting monkey (a superhero who is literally just a monkey) Seth Pecksniff posted:Rowdy Roddy Piper was a smash on It's Always Sunny and I'm sad he died the best ridiculous wrestler cameos are the rock on voyager and big show on enterprise AlmightyBob fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Defiance Industries posted:The other thing about that workout tape that's hilarious is that it says that it's 45 minutes on the box, and to get the tape to that run time they have a segment after the workout. In it, we watch the same workout again but at "Warrior speed" Lmao this rules
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Turns out "Warrior Speed" isn't super good for your heart. Who knew?
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Defiance Industries posted:The other thing about that workout tape that's hilarious is that it says that it's 45 minutes on the box, and to get the tape to that run time they have a segment after the workout. In it, we watch the same workout again but at "Warrior speed" gently caress yea
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Literally A Person posted:Macho Man was a sick voice actor. There's an episode of Dexter's Lab he guest stars in and he's just drat good. That one is pretty much a full-length adaptation of a Marvel Comics crossover book. Kinda funny that the Justice Friends were basically an Avengers riff back when the Avengers were firmly B-list at best. I wonder how the kids who've grown up on the MCU see that.
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is there a definitive list of people who outright hated ultimate warrior or is it pretty much just everyone bar macho man
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Defiance Industries posted:The other thing about that workout tape that's hilarious is that it says that it's 45 minutes on the box, and to get the tape to that run time they have a segment after the workout. In it, we watch the same workout again but at "Warrior speed" Sometimes a cash grab is so cynical and lazy you have to respect the sheer audacity of it.
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Eau de MacGowan posted:is there a definitive list of people who outright hated ultimate warrior or is it pretty much just everyone bar macho man everyone in the business except macho man hated him
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bobby heenan, who was suffering from a bad neck and was explicitly off limits to taking big bumps asked warrior to not do a clothesline or be too rough with him and the moment the spot happened warrior clotheslined him from behind and hosed him up real bad
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This ultimate warrior character seems like a real jerk!
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:bobby heenan, who was suffering from a bad neck and was explicitly off limits to taking big bumps asked warrior to not do a clothesline or be too rough with him and the moment the spot happened warrior clotheslined him from behind and hosed him up real bad the truly unforgivable sin
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Speaking of the Ultimate Warrior, here is the time that the Iron Sheik confronted him on the Howard Stern show: https://youtu.be/1L0AzFdsfls?t=132
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AlmightyBob posted:the best ridiculous wrestler cameos are the rock on voyager and big show on enterprise There's an episode of the New Love Boat from the late 90s where Kevin Nash and Goldberg get into a fight and break deck chairs over each other's backs. 16-bit Butt-Head posted:bobby heenan, who was suffering from a bad neck and was explicitly off limits to taking big bumps asked warrior to not do a clothesline or be too rough with him and the moment the spot happened warrior clotheslined him from behind and hosed him up real bad There's also the time he picked up Heenan for a press slam and just dropped him instead of doing literally anything else.
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THE DIMINISHING RETURNS OF THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR: PART 7 If you look at the PPV match Warrior was supposed to have in WWF before getting the boot, you can see how much the company was going to change in the next couple years. Warrior's would-be partner Ahmed Johnson was primed for a title run, but was too sloppy and injury-prone to exist and his worth fizzled in time. Shawn Michaels suffered a career-threatening back injury that kept him out of the ring for all of the Attitude Era. Their opponents, Vader, Owen Hart, and British Bulldog would all fall victim to Michaels’ scummy backstage politics and fall down the card. When Bret was screwed over in Montreal, Owen remained with the company and it led to his doom. Bulldog escaped to WCW and, sadly, that also led to his doom. In the fall of 1998, WCW was in its last gasp of being a viable contender against a WWF that was getting more buzz by the week. WWF had regained the ratings lead, but it was close. The video game WCW/nWo Revenge was about to hit shelves, showcasing the last picture of what the company looked like when it was considered the cool promotion. The last snapshot before things started to fall apart. And funny enough, while Warrior’s run in WCW was indeed really stupid, it was only a footnote. It was not known for leading to the downfall of the company in any real way to the point that the Nitro: The Incredible Rise and Inevitable Collapse of Ted Turner’s WCW barely even mentioned him to begin with. He was just a dumb highlight of two months, quickly overshadowed by even worse decisions. They just finished Road Wild, a PPV where Diamond Dallas Page and Jay goddamn Leno defeated Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff. At the time, Bill Goldberg was the undefeated WCW Champion and was easily the most popular part of the promotion, but that didn’t mean that he was in the forefront. The champ was a borderline background character as focus was on the war between WCW, nWo Hollywood, and the tweener offshoot nWo Wolfpac. With Fall Brawl coming in a month, the focus was on the War Games match. War Games was a long-running specialty match in WCW that initially sounded cooler than it really was. Teams of four or five would gradually enter two rings with a cage over it. After everyone had entered, the match would end when somebody gave up. Initially, it was regularly WCW’s top five faces up against the Four Horsemen... and some other guy. Like, their manager or just some random dude in a mask. It was obvious who was taking the loss, making the match feel kind of pointless. The match was booked better throughout the 90s, up until the nWo became a thing. Then it became an exercise in the nWo outsmarting everyone instead of getting their just desserts. In WCW’s final years, it mutated into different matches that just did not work. This included War Games ’98. This time, it would be a single ring and with three teams of three. Using three teams sounded interesting, but it actually wasn’t about team warfare. It was really a nine-man every-man-for-himself situation. Once somebody got pinned (even if not everyone has entered yet), the match was over and the winner would get to challenge Goldberg at Halloween Havoc. Already, the match was screwy and logic was out the window. With a few weeks before the PPV, Hollywood Hogan came out to cut a promo at the beginning of the second hour, when Nitro was up against Raw. He was joined by Eric Bischoff and the Disciple (formerly Brutus Beefcake). He talked about who DDP might choose to be part of Team WCW for War Games and explained that he could defeat any “warrior.” That was the cue for Warrior to show up. While played up as a surprise, there were signs for him all over the place, as word of him signing was a big internet rumor. Funny enough, when asked about it months earlier, Bischoff insisted that it wasn’t going to happen because everyone he knew who worked with Warrior told him he was the worst. But I guess Bischoff got desperate and Hogan got in his ear purely so he could get his win back from eight years earlier. Yes, Hogan is that petty. He also wanted them to bring in Yokozuna for the same reason, but with his excessive weight gain, he was too much of a liability that even Bischoff had his limits. Now, in his heyday, Ultimate Warrior’s promos were beloved because they were high energy, brief, and they were filled with batshit sci-fi/fantasy stuff. He’d talk about aliens, gods, spaceships, forcefields, and so on. We didn’t know if this was his lore or if he was just crazy and thought it was his lore. By the time he was in WCW, his cadence had slowed down completely, and he spent his endless promos talking more like a motivational speaker whose monologue was translated into a foreign language and then translated back to English. It was still gibberish, but it was no longer entertaining. As he intimidated Hogan and his buddies (asking if Disciple was Hogan’s barber), he droned on for so long that the segment went on about 20 minutes longer than it was meant to. Bischoff had to rewrite the rest of the show on the fly and add another commercial break. Warrior ended his promo with his new catchphrase, “Same Warrior time, same Warrior channel!” before a Bat-Signal with the Warrior facepaint appeared in the arena. For the next several weeks, he would torment Hogan by having the ring fill with smoke in order to teleport in and out. This also included Warrior teleporting into a cage to secretly and magically knock out the Giant before scaring Hogan away. There was also a thing where he didn’t own EVERYTHING from his WWF run. At times he would shake the ropes and the ref would have to remind him that he’s not legally allowed to do that. For War Games, we had Team nWo Hollywood (Hogan, Bret Hart, Stevie Ray), Team nWo Wolfpac (Kevin Nash, Sting, Lex Luger), and Team WCW (DDP, Warrior, Roddy Piper). Piper’s time in WCW is a lot less memorable and longer than Warrior’s but honestly almost as depressing. Not only was the man a shell of his former self, but his promos were him trying to see how many different ways he could say, “Hulk Hogan is a homosexual,” and use every instance over the course of several years. Despite the star power of that match... and obvious pinning victim Stevie Ray, War Games was atrocious. Warrior was the last entrant in the match and proceeded to teleport into the ring. Hogan attacked him from behind, but then the ring filled with smoke again and Warrior was gone. Then the real Warrior came out the entranceway. In reality, the double that Hogan attacked was the Renegade, which was fitting. Warrior entered the match and within seconds, Hogan escaped the cage. Warrior kicked through the cage and went after him. This left DDP to pin Stevie Ray and get his title shot. More importantly, earlier in the night, the opening match was the British Bulldog and Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart vs. Disco Inferno and Alex Wright. Bulldog was slammed onto the part of the ring that Warrior used as a trap door for when he “teleported.” This hosed up Bulldog’s back irreparably, killed his maneuverability, and led to a pain-killer addiction that would eventually kill him. Warrior would publicly say Bulldog was at fault for falling to his own vices. For the next PPV, Halloween Havoc, the double main event was announced: Goldberg defending the WCW Championship against Diamond Dallas Page and Hogan vs. Warrior II. Warrior spent the next month cutting his nonsense promos and also kidnapping and indoctrinating the Disciple into being his own follower. Warrior had coined the term One Warrior Nation (oWn), which was a neat way to show his independence in a promotion filled with factions, but having Disciple as the second member kind of killed the branding. It's during this build that we got Warrior’s most infamous WCW moment. As he was using his supernatural powers to get in Hogan’s head, Hogan was freaking out backstage in the locker room as the Warrior was appearing in the mirror, taunting him! Bischoff thought Hogan was insane as there was nobody there! Except... the commentators could see him. The fans could see him. The only person who couldn’t was Bischoff. Weird flex, but okay. With two weeks before the PPV, Warrior put together one hell of a tag match to main event Nitro. For the first time in 12 years, Warrior and Sting would once again become a tag team against the dream team of Hogan and Bret Hart. This was the perfect example of why WCW died as despite this epic tag match being their main event, it went only a few minutes before the nWo guys swarmed the ring and it turned into a lame brawl. Meanwhile, WWF countered it with their own awesome tag main event combo. It was Steve Austin and the Rock vs. Undertaker and Kane and it actually delivered. Plus it gave us that awesome spot where Rock set up the People's Elbow, Undertaker sat up during it, Rock stopped, kicked him back down, then completed the move. At Halloween Havoc, Hogan vs. Warrior went just over 14 minutes and holy poo poo was it not the match they had eight years earlier. I’ll even give Warrior some praise for still being able to do top-rope axe-handles and maybe, just maybe, if he remained active through the previous couple years, he would have been almost passable. But here, he was tired and rusty and Hogan was just completely over-the-hill. When it wasn’t stalling, it was the most basic, boring poo poo between the two. There was no urgency and it’s a regular on lists of the worst wrestling matches of all time. Near the end of the match, Hogan tried to throw a fireball at Warrior’s face. We watched him fiddle with the flash paper and lighter for way too long and by the time he did it, the fireball sparked out far before it could reach Warrior’s face. Warrior was confused how to sell it and angrily kicked Hogan’s fireball supplies out of the ring in frustration. In the end, Warrior gestured that he was going to press slam Hogan (which probably would have shattered Hogan into 200 pieces), but Hogan’s talentless nephew Horace showed up to hit Warrior in the back with a chair. Hogan got the pin, Horace attempted to light Warrior on fire before security intervened, and that was it. The funny part of this show was that although it was scheduled to go for three hours, Bischoff intended to have the main event of Goldberg vs. DDP go well over the limit. Unfortunately, due to some miscommunications with cable providers, once Halloween Havoc hit three hours, the feed cut for many households. Goldberg vs. DDP was an incredibly solid match, possibly Goldberg’s best match ever, and people were cheated out of it with Hogan vs. Warrior being the last thing they got to see. Ouch. The next night, Nitro aired Goldberg vs. DDP in its entirety. It would be the last time Nitro would defeat Raw in the ratings. As for Warrior, there was just a little more juice there. He came out to cut a promo on Hogan for his lack of honor and for the way he stained what should have been a legendary match with a bullshit finish. Hogan and some nWo guys showed up and Warrior kicked all their asses. Two weeks later, Warrior would do a run-in to protect Disciple from some lesser nWo members. That was the last time we’d see Warrior in WCW. Warrior was suffering an injury that would keep him on the shelf. While injured, WCW took some turns for the worse, including the end of Goldberg’s streak and the infamous Fingerpoke of Doom. Soon after, Eric Bischoff was sent home and replaced with one Vince Russo. Russo actually talked to Warrior about coming back and at one point, they planned to do one of the wildest “dream matches” to never happen: Warrior vs. Goldberg. It would have been terrible. It would have been historical. I can’t imagine how things would have gone with that match and the build around it, but the world is a worse place without it. God, what could have been. Warrior didn’t come back after all and was pretty bitter about his WCW run. He decided to retire. Years later, Bobby Heenan would sit down and do a recorded interview with RD Reynolds, the man behind the Wrestlecrap website and books. When Reynolds asked about Heenan’s thoughts about Warrior in WCW, Heenan got up and asked him to follow. In the minute or so after, you could hear the two leaving the room, walking down a hallway, then entering another room. “You wanted to know what I thought of Warrior in WCW?” Heenan flushed the toilet. Next up: What doesn't make the world work? The answer may surprise you!
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Cornwind Evil posted:I think what irks me the most about Hellwig is that for all he was given, and all he got away with, and becoming one of the legendary figures in the business for so little given...he seemed like he never wanted to be there. Which probably explains a lot about how he made everyone hate him and refused to learn how to be better. Maybe that was a side effect of his character eating his actual personality. He wanted to hijack and crash hulk hogan’s airplane.
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rally posted:He wanted to hijack and crash hulk hogan’s airplane. warrior may have sucked but this is one of the best promos of all time
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Gavok posted:the fireball sparked out far before it could reach Warrior’s face. Warrior was confused how to sell it and angrily kicked Hogan’s fireball supplies out of the ring in frustration. guy was just a big stupid dummy
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I do wonder if Vince McMahon is one of those people whose narcissism comes in the form of a bizarre mind virus that turns people into twisted imitations of himself via proximity.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I do wonder if Vince McMahon is one of those people whose narcissism comes in the form of a bizarre mind virus that turns people into twisted imitations of himself via proximity. It has been noted by some observations that one of many cult leaders' secondary, possibly subconscious goals is to turn everyone in their cult, or at least their inner circles, into clones of themselves. David Berg and the Children of God come to mind.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I do wonder if Vince McMahon is one of those people whose narcissism comes in the form of a bizarre mind virus that turns people into twisted imitations of himself via proximity. Somewhere in Vince's attic there is a portrait of The Ultimate Warrior remaining eternally youthful as Vince himself continues to shrivel.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I do wonder if Vince McMahon is one of those people whose narcissism comes in the form of a bizarre mind virus that turns people into twisted imitations of himself via proximity. a shocking amount of wrestlers grew up fatherless and a lot of those same wrestlers view vince as a father figure make of that what you will lol 16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:a shocking amount of wrestlers grew up fatherless and a lot of those same wrestlers view vince as a father figure take of that what you will lol Doesn't Vince himself have some rather serious daddy issues? That can be easily inferred from everything about him, but I think there's actually a real story about it earlier ITT.
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Prof. Crocodile posted:Doesn't Vince himself have some rather serious daddy issues? That can be easily inferred from everything about him, but I think there's actually a real story about it earlier ITT. his mom sexually abused him and his step dads regularly beat him vince sr by comparison was a saint that didnt want vince to get into the wrestling business
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:his mom sexually abused him and his step dads regularly beat him vince sr by comparison was a saint that didnt want vince to get into the wrestling business That is horrible, and no child should have to go through that, but it certainly explains quite a bit.
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Think I've thanked Gavok and Cornwind already but thanks for your write-ups. Wouldn't go out of my way to read about Ultimate Warrior since I know very little about him but your posts have me hooked. The early Undertaker stuff was great too, and Goldust.
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And the wrestlers that did have fathers were raised by people like Grizzly Smith and Fritz von Erich,
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one reason i think vince is such a fascinating person is because while he's a huge piece of poo poo and a monster that has done horrible things to a lot of people he has also done very nice things to people that didnt benefit him unlike his good friend donald trump who has never done anything nice for anyone
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snoremac posted:Think I've thanked Gavok and Cornwind already but thanks for your write-ups. Wouldn't go out of my way to read about Ultimate Warrior since I know very little about him but your posts have me hooked. The early Undertaker stuff was great too, and Goldust. Seconding (or whatever-ing) this. These write-ups aren't just informative, they're engaging as hell. Love it.
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The write ups are fantastic. I’d love to see one on DDP since he had such a weird career with him starting training super late (late 30’s?), being thrown into such a bad feud with the Undertaker and somehow ending up as a yoga guru. Also, it’d be refreshing to see some history about one of the few older wrestlers who didn’t turn out to be a giant piece of poo poo.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:That would also be DDP. Yep, that’s who I meant
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