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I played some Jagged Alliance. Man. If I was a video essayist I would absolutely make one using this game as an example. The game is fun. I'd give it a 7 or 8 out of 10 if that was the only factor. Smaller quibbles are that the interface is a bit clunky, it's a bit crashy, and the mercenaries are very annoying. Remember how they were stereotypes in Jagged Alliance? Now imagine if those concepts were written by a 12 year old brought up on Marvel movies. They talk constantly and are never funny. But the big thing. Oooh boy. Remember how in JA2 you were hired by the deposed leader of a nation, and were fighting that nation's army? Yeah. Here your client is ostensibly the daughter of a kidnapped president, but that's not actually true. She is not the one paying you. You are in fact hired by a mining company to reclaim their diamond mines. A mining company ran by someone who seems Spanish at first glance. Not black. The country is very black. A former French colony. Every single enemy is black. Every single one. Whereas in JA2 your enemies were an army, with enemy types such as "recruit", "regular", "veteran" and "elite", here you are facing "goon", "marauder", "brute", "raid leader". Where in JA2 they wore uniforms, here they wear stereotypical "tribal" warpaint, headdresses (which count as armour, somehow), and leopard skins. You are, of course, almost only white people. There are a few token non-white mercenaries. The only black mercenary I hired so far makes frequent references to crack pipes. The only Chinese mercenary is a doctor, but he does martial arts, wears a Tang jacket, is into spirits, and constantly spouts fortune cookie wisdom. It's OK though, because the game opens with a "just don't get offended bro" graphic. I think we should consider not allowing Swedish people to make games anymore. It's a pain because the game is fun overall. I really wish someone would take the core structure of Jagged Alliance and make it about a people's revolution, rather than capitalist resource extraction. But I guess that would be Political in the way mowing down shirtless Goons and Marauders decked out in face paint isn't.
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 06:29 |
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Where in JA2 they wore uniforms, here they wear stereotypical "tribal" warpaint, headdresses (which count as armour, somehow), and leopard skins. Lmao holy poo poo god
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 06:38 |
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:The only black mercenary I hired so far makes frequent references to crack pipes. The only Chinese mercenary is a doctor, but he does martial arts, wears a Tang jacket, is into spirits, and constantly spouts fortune cookie wisdom. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 06:39 |
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Kazzah posted:I think you put the charisma chit in the wrong place That was the spot for his advantage, it got a minute 2 on my promotion roll
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 06:56 |
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:I played some Jagged Alliance. Man. If I was a video essayist I would absolutely make one using this game as an example. sounds rather problematic if you ask me
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 07:00 |
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KomradeX posted:That was the spot for his advantage, it got a minute 2 on my promotion roll Oh yah, I just thought the angle of the mouth meant it would fit over the blank face perfectly
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 07:07 |
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more like... Red-Brown Alliance 3
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 07:11 |
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There are references to communists also being rebels. I'm looking forward to meeting them and seeing that, presumably, they are bad. Also the country is called Grand Chien. Which means... tall dog? Oh and there's a town called Fleatown. Edit: Correction. Devs are Bulgarian, not Swedish. They are just published by THQ Nordic. Zeppelin Insanity has issued a correction as of 10:09 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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lol i just bought ja3 but hadnt played it yet... wowie zowie
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 11:18 |
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would it be moddable to create a tankie conversion mod?
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 12:32 |
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KomradeX posted:I played Beneath the Med today, was eventually sunk off the coast of Egypt in March of 1942 after becoming very decorated officer I'm so glad I met someone else who plays Beneath the Med. I love it. It's hard to find books in Inglese about the Regia Marina's submarine arm, and I think that's a shame. e: Oh man! I was looking forward to Jagged Alliance 3. Is it a good game though? I'd watch the video essay, and yeah the politics are... well gently caress, but I was really hoping to see that style of game again. "Remember how they were stereotypes in Jagged Alliance? Now imagine if those concepts were written by a 12 year old brought up on Marvel movies. They talk constantly and are never funny." gently caress. ee: Their dev diaries were about how they sent the team to Africa to do research! Apparently they had thousands of reference photos of people, places, did all sorts of reading on contemporary Africa, lol and from what you're describing they might as well have just based it off TinTin comics. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 14:22 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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the gameplay loop for JA3 is quite good. the politics suck but I don't think I'm going to stop playing it
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 14:21 |
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eurojank is going to hit differently now they've become political again
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 14:24 |
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Hmm...THQ posted:The country of Grand Chien
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 14:25 |
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just wait until you meet the italian guy
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 14:25 |
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gently caress that euro "we did racism but we did it smartly and it's so funny" smug rear end tone
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 14:28 |
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THQ posted:Throughout the pre-production phase, the game underwent multiple iterations until the visuals finally encapsulated the initial design concept we were striving for.
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 14:28 |
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Cuttlefush posted:just wait until you meet the italian guy gradenko_2000 posted:paging LaLD
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 14:30 |
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now i'm pissed off at the game it's time to actually play it
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 14:30 |
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I think Far Cry 2 actually did a pretty good job at parts of this, while still being a retelling of Heart of Darkness in video game form. Of course, the important thing about Heart of Darkness is that the real savages, monsters in the shape of men, that cause the ruination and evil encountered moving deeper into the interior are the Europeans. Somehow that's gotten lost eh? THQ posted:The Location So they did research, but then uh I guess decided on a certain art direction. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 14:35 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Frosted Flake posted:I think Far Cry 2 actually did a pretty good job at parts of this, while still being a retelling of Heart of Darkness in video game form. lol at western weapons being rare in the age of the US getting ran out of Afghanistan and having to leave all their poo poo behind
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Regarde Aduck posted:lol at western weapons being rare in the age of the US getting ran out of Afghanistan and having to leave all their poo poo behind It's set in the early 2000's, though that's when western Cold War inventories were being dumped into African civil wars, so your point stands.
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 14:42 |
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I'm predicting a field of academia a few decades after the collapse of American empire studying how many racist stereotypes were native to europe and how many were imported from US plantation slaver culture.
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 15:28 |
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double nine posted:would it be moddable to create a tankie conversion mod? Technically, probably, the game does seem set up for mods. But it would be a total conversion. You would need to change: -the story -the mercenaries, though you could probably get away with just cutting the shittiest lines and not replacing them, and adjust skills to not be stereotypes -the enemies, which would require new models -voice acting if you wanted to have any, but I guess you could get by with text But yeah the gameplay systems are solid. It's a very fun game. In a way that makes it a bigger shame than if it sucked overall. It's so interesting how no one, that I know of, has ever attempted to do a commie revolution game in this vein. I mean, even from the cynical perspective, if you cared about profit more than about your ideology - Che t-shirts are famously popular!
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 18:38 |
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double nine posted:would it be moddable to create a tankie conversion mod? someone needs to make it about the Cuban intervention in Angola
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 19:25 |
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Wasn't that way out of scope? They sent tanks and all. Meanwhile Cuba was overthrown with 14 people.
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 20:10 |
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Technically, probably, the game does seem set up for mods. I would love this. Workshop support and modding tools when?
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 20:14 |
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The game already has a mod manager out of the gate. The devs released a "show chance to hit" mod as a demonstration.
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 22:38 |
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Every game nowadays comes out with high-class graphics, possibly interesting mechanics, and the worst dialogue ever written
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 23:50 |
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:THQ Nordic. why that's the same publisher that did the infamous 8chan ama, how peculiar
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# ? Jul 17, 2023 23:55 |
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Every game nowadays comes out with high-class graphics, possibly interesting mechanics, and the worst dialogue ever written
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# ? Jul 18, 2023 02:56 |
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fox ftw
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# ? Jul 18, 2023 02:58 |
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This was good lol It's one of the better lines so that might say something about JA3's quality. I don't think the dialogue is that bad though. It's cheesy but xcom-ish games don't need dialogue to be good and I don't find it too intrusive that you can't ignore it even if you hate it. It's certainly less obnoxious than bad writing in bad FPS or RPG games anyway Re the politics I am waiting to see if there will be an 'are we the baddies?' moment for being western mercenaries going around exploiting diamonds from a poor ex colonial African country, and there have been flags right from the start that the diamond corp might be evil. Not holding my breath though ModernMajorGeneral has issued a correction as of 04:26 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Frosted Flake posted:I'm so glad I met someone else who plays Beneath the Med. I love it. It was fun, now the only one I haven't played is the Hunted. But I might do a round of The Hunters first before moving onto that. This is the only thing I know about JA3
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# ? Jul 18, 2023 04:31 |
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I just picked up Xenonauts 2, hope to play enough to write a little review before the weekend starts https://store.steampowered.com/app/538030/Xenonauts_2/
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Re the politics I am waiting to see if there will be an 'are we the baddies?' moment for being western mercenaries going around exploiting diamonds from a poor ex colonial African country, and there have been flags right from the start that the diamond corp might be evil. Not holding my breath though There's hasn't been a big moment, but the game shows the Adonis Corp is bad and will let people die and suffer for money. Adonis Corp is also named like an evil corporation, so I'm thinking this game will have them be evil since it is inspired by 80s action movies. I'm a big idiot though and I love Jagged Alliance so you might not want to take it from me. I didn't even realize having black people wear tribal masks was racist; I just thought that the main bad guy likes to have his army wear masks.
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# ? Jul 18, 2023 11:13 |
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fermun posted:I just picked up Xenonauts 2, hope to play enough to write a little review before the weekend starts please do! the release discount is going to be on for another week, so there's some time for word-of-mouth to get around before it expires JA3 and Xeninauts 2 in the span of a week blessed month for tactical games
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# ? Jul 18, 2023 11:17 |
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my initial impression is that its harder than the first xenonauts. money's tight, soldiers die real easy, i think easier, tanks are expensive and die really easy. but a base in the middle east seems to be able to keep the soviet union, the EU, and africa pretty happy. xenonauts is a universe where aliens infiltrate governments starting in the 1980s to keep the cold war going and on the brink of nuclear war and xenonauts 2 is continuing that during a crisis period in 2009. i'm actually considering turning the difficulty down to the easiest difficulty level to re-acquaint myself with this sort of game because i can't really tell right now if it's just super hard or if i just super suck. also you can have initial soldiers that just were a bad roll and they are bad.
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# ? Jul 18, 2023 12:52 |
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the engineer was better in 1
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My one wish with Xenonauts is for it not to look so drab. Memory might be playing tricks on me, but I remember the original X-Coms as having a fairly vibrant colour palette and not just greys in blacks and browns like Xenonauts does.
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# ? Jul 18, 2023 17:00 |