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ImpAtom posted:It is a JRPG and enemies get stronger as the game advances. It's where I'm fighting them more than anything which bugs me. (Reverie - Rean Act III Part 2) The watchtower was under continuous human occupation until 40 minutes ago. It shouldn't be this infested yet. Also, I've reached the top of the watchtower and I'm missing one enemy in the highlands. I thought I was thorough checking, and it's the last enemy, so I don't know if I missed it or if it comes later. I do note that for some reason, I could not go to the Stone Circle, so it could be there. I just don't want to redo everything if I just missed something.
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Jul 17, 2023 18:48
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:It's where I'm fighting them more than anything which bugs me. (Reverie - Rean Act III Part 2) The watchtower was under continuous human occupation until 40 minutes ago. It shouldn't be this infested yet.
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Jul 17, 2023 19:41
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JavaJesus posted:This answer is only to tell you whether or not you're missing anything: You are not, it'll get filled in later. Yeah, thanks. I did a cautionary pass around just to make sure and saw nothing, and monsters are listed in order so I figured that was probably the case. *** Reverie, Act III, Rean Route End. what what the hell kind of asspull is this seriously what the gently caress goddamn it falcom is understanding any of this seriously locked to a randomly dropped minigame orb
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Jul 17, 2023 20:49
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Yeah, thanks. I did a cautionary pass around just to make sure and saw nothing, and monsters are listed in order so I figured that was probably the case. (same section) You noticed how everyone's reaction was also "what the hell was all of that," right? Right up to Rean saying, "man, I wish Valimar was here" initially instead of "oh it's fine I've got this"? The poster earlier talking about the minigame orb was wrong, that one just says "they're working on new Soldats" and of course they are.
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Jul 17, 2023 21:15
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Einander posted:(same section) You noticed how everyone's reaction was also "what the hell was all of that," right? Right up to Rean saying, "man, I wish Valimar was here" initially instead of "oh it's fine I've got this"? The poster earlier talking about the minigame orb was wrong, that one just says "they're working on new Soldats" and of course they are. Yeah the only thing the orb does is clarify "Rean has a custom Soldat sitting in a hanger" which of course he does.
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Jul 17, 2023 21:38
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Einander posted:(same section) You noticed how everyone's reaction was also "what the hell was all of that," right? Right up to Rean saying, "man, I wish Valimar was here" initially instead of "oh it's fine I've got this"? The poster earlier talking about the minigame orb was wrong, that one just says "they're working on new Soldats" and of course they are. Everyone's reaction also being "WTF???" does not keep it from being an asspull. An "explanation" coming later will still not keep it from being an asspull. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Jul 17, 2023 21:45
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Everyone's reaction also being "WTF???" does not keep it from being an asspull. An "explanation" coming later will still not keep it from being an asspull. ... So to be clear here, literally anything surprising is an asspull? Like no offense but you're sounding performatively hateful of this game at this point. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Jul 17, 2023 21:52
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Everyone's reaction also being "WTF???" does not keep it from being an asspull. An "explanation" coming later will still not keep it from being an asspull. (still Rean's Chapter 3) Basically the two ideas in the plot that come up repeatedly are "the present is echoing the past" and "this thing that happened shouldn't be possible," usually one in response to the other. Rufus is taking over Crossbell again, but it doesn't make sense that he would choose to do that. The people in Crossbell and Erebonia are being affected like victims of the Curse, but the Curse should be gone. Where did all of this equipment come from, how would they even get all the iron? It's the Reverie Corridor, and it's also kind of like Phantasma. This watchout tower in the Highlands is filled with archaisms again. Why is Arios evil again? McBurn shouldn't be here. How the Emperor here when we killed him? Why are the spirit veins like this, and how are the shrines back? You can brush all of it aside as Falcom being lazy and reusing ideas and assets, and that's definitely a part of it, but it's also something the story is obviously doing deliberately. Rean treating a Soldat like a Divine Knight and having another Divine Knight appear in response and starting to look like he did during the Twilight isn't directly foreshadowed, but it is precisely the sort of thing that can happen in the story as written, because "the present is echoing the past" and "it shouldn't be possible."
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Jul 17, 2023 22:26
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ImpAtom posted:I will say I think the biggest problem with the power levels aren't just that enemies blow you off but that so often it goes hand-in-hand with super strong allies singlehandedly doing what you couldn't, which is something that gets worse as the overall series power level increases. What got me about (spoilers for Reverie) Robo Rufus was when it turns out you weren't even fighting the real thing, but some robot some guy built, which means some dude just randomly built a robot on his own that is more powerful than the entire SSS combined including Rixia who is supposed to be like the worlds greatest assassin. That for me was a bit too much, like what is the guy Dr. Gero or something? At least in that instance it's cause he took samples from all of the worlds most powerful warriors to make his fighting androids Also for Reverie I know Ilya had some evil mask she got tricked into wearing that carries the curse of Erebonia, but still her going from just a random eccentric dancer girl civilian to seemingly one of the most powerful entities ever seen in the Trails series to date was a bit crazy as well, where everyone is just powerless and defeated because of her goofy looking harem dance. In some ways she's practically the final boss of the Crossbell arc along with Robo Rufus since you essentially fight them together putting them on an equal plane and you're more likely to end up dropping him first cause of her crazy speed and evasion. Kale fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Jul 17, 2023 22:40
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why do memes about the Cold Steel crew make Alisa the Mom Friend
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Jul 17, 2023 22:44
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Everyone's reaction also being "WTF???" does not keep it from being an asspull. An "explanation" coming later will still not keep it from being an asspull. As someone who started Chapter 4 having also reacted like you do, it does seem to be more part of a plot twist to be focused on rather than a "LOL GOT U" type thing. While I'm in a complaining mood, though. The Beach Vay-Cay is so loving janky. Watermelon thing, fine, whatever. Bananaboat is what is best described as a compound dick move. The drinks minigame is a crime. Putting aside the problematic elements (because I don't want that derail), it's so loving broken, natural dialogue suddenly asking for "yes" or "no" prompts despite the dilogue not asking a binary question, and sometimes what would be the likely natural answer in English seems to have the original Japanese answer hard-coded so it can be something like "isn't it great we're still finally together again" and answering "no" is correct and they go "oh, you think we should never have been separated? me too!"
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Jul 17, 2023 22:44
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loving christ kale those are not spoilers for the prologue, quit your poo poo
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Jul 17, 2023 22:48
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Terper posted:loving christ kale those are not spoilers for the prologue Oh thank goodness I saw the first part of the first line and noped out of that part just in case.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:49
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Terper posted:loving christ kale those are not spoilers for the prologue, quit your poo poo I could have sworn that happened in the prologue. Changed it to just spoilers for Reverie if I'm misremembering.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:50
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Junpei posted:why do memes about the Cold Steel crew make Alisa the Mom Friend That's weird considering Emma is literally the one they say is momlike.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:51
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ImpAtom posted:That's weird considering Emma is literally the one they say is momlike. I mean, she has to be the mum to her own "grandmother"
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Jul 17, 2023 22:52
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Kale posted:I could have sworn that happened in the prologue. Changed it to just spoilers for Reverie if I'm misremembering. Well in your first spoiler you (mid-game spoiler) made it obvious that the Rufus at the ceremony wasn't the real one. And in the second, and I really hope I misunderstood, you imply that Ilya is a willing co-conspirator, even if the mask is driving it initially. If I misinterpreted that second one please do not correct me; I want to find out for myself!
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Jul 17, 2023 22:54
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Kale posted:I could have sworn that happened in the prologue. Changed it to just spoilers for Reverie if I'm misremembering. the issue is how you're referring to that character, you're using information gained from later chapters and labeling it as spoilers for the prologue when you're talking about poo poo that doesn't become apparent until end of chapter 3
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Jul 17, 2023 22:55
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ImpAtom posted:... So to be clear here, literally anything surprising is an asspull? No, you , it's not "literally anything surprising." The railway gun targeting the settlement - that's surprising, but not an asspull. It's even partly set up with the imperial tanks rolling in earlier and making smoke. If the first time that Rean has a new robot is even mentioned is - oh wait, it HASN'T been mentioned yet. If the first time it gets mentioned is the next act after it appears, then IT'S AN ASSPULL. Things need to be set up properly. The series does a fairly decent job of setting up a lot of things so that when they happen the player can go "oh, that's what this meant 20 hours ago!" This was not even minimally set up. I was actually coming back around to the game after connecting some dots earlier. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Jul 17, 2023 23:39
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for the record, given how far in you are, have you come around on Nadia after the torture bit in C/Rufus Chapter 2 and her discussion with him right afterwards
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Jul 17, 2023 23:54
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Hoping that everyone is coming to the realisation that Team C is very funny and also the coolest.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:00
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:No, you , it's not "literally anything surprising." If the first time that Rean has a new robot is even mentioned is - oh wait, it HASN'T been mentioned yet. If the first time it gets mentioned is the next act after it appears, then IT'S AN ASSPULL. Things need to be set up properly. The series does a fairly decent job of setting up a lot of things so that when they happen the player can go "oh, that's what this meant 20 hours ago!" This was not even minimally set up. Again, I would argue that just because something blindsides you doesn't mean it's an asspull, and there are some, albeit weak, references in chapter 4 immediately showing that there were some elements of the game setting it up. Spoiler (opening of chapter 4, Rean path) Roselia and Zeit specifically have been tracing the origins of this disturbance and it's why Zeit has seemed to effectively 'abandon' the SSS, because he and the Hexen clan's leader as guardians of Sept-Terrions are interesting in why the hell this is happening. That said, why the gently caress they say that's an eighth divine knight to contend with? Confusing. I want to know more.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:03
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Hoping that everyone is coming to the realisation that Team C is very funny and also the coolest. I want to like Team C more than I do. In a vaccum they are fine but Nadia in particular suffers super hard from "This is the exact same character we have done before" even before she teams up with Reanne so you just have two Young Girl Genius Former Assassins With A Penchant For Sadism teaming up and the game even points it out S also is the most boring character in the game and requires Nadia to have anything resembling a personality. C is fun when he's basically just being Zero from Geass and Lapis isn't bad. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:No, you , it's not "literally anything surprising." The railway gun targeting the settlement - that's surprising, but not an asspull. It's even partly set up with the imperial tanks rolling in earlier and making smoke. If the first time that Rean has a new robot is even mentioned is - oh wait, it HASN'T been mentioned yet. If the first time it gets mentioned is the next act after it appears, then IT'S AN ASSPULL. Things need to be set up properly. The series does a fairly decent job of setting up a lot of things so that when they happen the player can go "oh, that's what this meant 20 hours ago!" This was not even minimally set up. The game does hint at it though. Rean keeps having weird flashes and memories of Valmar and at one point even seems prepared to summon him before he remembers he isn't around anymore. Then a Divine Knight which shouldn't exist shows up and he pulls off some weird half-assed version of Valimar, just the same way he pulls off a weird half-assed silver haired sacrifice mode.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:26
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Smh
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Jul 18, 2023 00:26
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Also I really feel like Nadia and S should have a gimmick that basically demands they pair up but Nadia gets to inflict the Marks (because of her super analysis ability) and then S can exploit them, which would both be a mechanical improvement and match their stated abilities and 'perfect partner' concept better.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:29
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But that book made such a big deal about Swin’s weird explodey sword! Do think Nadia should have a unique gimmick too though.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:31
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ImpAtom posted:Also I really feel like Nadia and S should have a gimmick that basically demands they pair up but Nadia gets to inflict the Marks (because of her super analysis ability) and then S can exploit them, which would both be a mechanical improvement and match their stated abilities and 'perfect partner' concept better. Make it so her standard needle throw line Craft always triggers a follow up and make it so Swin always Marks on follow-ups. Doesn't absolutely require you to pair them and both of those traits have good uses separately, but it also makes them a very good combination.
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Jul 18, 2023 00:37
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oezigWzj8o neat!
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Jul 18, 2023 01:41
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I figured out what the deal is with a lot of the incorrect numbers stated in this game: they're overstated by exactly one order of magnitude. The food item I mentioned that the description says restores 300CP actually restores 30CP. The food mentioned by the other goon which says it restores 500% HP actually restores 50%. What made me look into it more closely was the fish I caught that said it gave me 30 Action 3 quartz. It actually gave me 3. gently caress if I know how they screwed things up that precisely. The funny thing is that when you break things down for U-materials at the forge, the number it gives you is correct but has an unnecessary decimal usage. Rather than saying it gave you 5, it says it gave you 5.0. And of course that doesn't apply to the Reverie missions that say things like "cook 15 peculiar dishes" when it actually wants 28, or "kill x number of strong enemies in Stratum 2" when it means Stratum 3. This whole thing is sloppy and feels rushed.
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Jul 18, 2023 01:41
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Generally in that sort of thing you'd just have a variable in the text which gets auto-inserted with the actual number that is being used by the game (so the tooltip auto-updates when they make balance changes during testing, etc). So my assumption was that they added an actual hard 0 into the text, which gets placed after the actual number. So 3 becomes 30, 30 becomes 300, etc. And 5. becomes 5.0.
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Jul 18, 2023 02:09
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Just finished the main story. Overall I thought it was great. I actually liked the much faster pacing compared to the other games in the series. I finished in less than half the time I finished any previous Trails game, mainly because there aren't any sidequests, bonding events, etc. to slow things down. The game just shoots you straight down the main plot. Now to dig into the postgame part of the Reverie Corridor. 
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Jul 18, 2023 02:55
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Regarding the power levels in fights stuff, there are some characters it never bothered me much with, like McBurn or Arianrhod. In both those cases, the story actually does a good job of adequately selling how powerful they are. They're basically in the Victor Arseid/Cassius Bright tier of "super strong characters that the protagonists could only ever hope to beat in a party." But it can feel silly when the antagonist is someone like Shirley, Rufus, Lechter, Claire, etc (who shouldn't really be that different from the party members in power, outside of situations like Cold Steel 1 or the New Class 7 (minus Rean) in Cold Steel 3. edit: I also feel like this didn't become much of an issue until the Cold Steel games specifically, though that might partly be related to the sheer number of "named" antagonists. Some Numbers posted:Turns out that bringing a shotgun to a sword fight works really well. It can also somehow turn into a really big fancy hi-tech shotgun with floating turret thingies when he uses is S-Craft.
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Jul 18, 2023 03:02
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does Machias still say YOU'VE FAILED YOUR INSPECTION in Reverie
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Jul 18, 2023 03:20
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I think the Trails world is a lot more fun for being a place where Rufus, a regular noble with immense daddy issues, is portrayed as somewhat of a comparable threat to immortal knights of legend or supernatural demon flame guys. Same with Machias being able to hang with the heroes through nothing more than having a shotgun in his hands and justice in his heart. That’s very good imo.
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Jul 18, 2023 03:21
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I'm about to finish Trails from Zero and this lategame boss description is maybe the best thing that's happened so far in the entire game:
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Jul 18, 2023 03:25
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Hwurmp posted:does Machias still say YOU'VE FAILED YOUR INSPECTION in Reverie Yep
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Jul 18, 2023 03:53
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Oh cool: in TRC postgame, whenever you complete a mini mission, it immediately replaces it with a new one without you having to go back to the main area.
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Jul 18, 2023 03:57
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Junpei posted:for the record, given how far in you are, have you come around on Nadia after (C Chapter 2)the torture bit in C Chapter 2 and her discussion with him right afterwards That monologue started out disturbing, but the longer it went on - and it went on a lot longer than I expected - it ended up getting even more disturbing. I believe that it was trying for once to play that seriously and emphasizing that it was not supposed to be funny and in that regard I considered that it succeeded. It did not make me come around on her and go "wow, this person is cool or awesome." However, she grew more tolerable as her proportion of "cutsey" dialogue decreased. A minor note, I don't understand why you're using "C/Real Name," as including the real name defeats the point of using "C." If someone has played past Act 2, they know who you mean if you're referring to C. ImpAtom posted:I want to like Team C more than I do. In a vaccum they are fine but Nadia in particular suffers super hard from "This is the exact same character we have done before" even before she teams up with Reanne so you just have two Young Girl Genius Former Assassins With A Penchant For Sadism teaming up and the game even points it out Goodness yes, this series has far too many different, entirely separate organizations or individuals which groom children to be assassins and killers. It was fresh and interesting (in this series) the first time it came up. By the time you get to the fourth or fifth variation on the same thing, the novelty has worn off. S is the "boring straight man" character and also has a very repetitive (and hence boring) playstyle. I'm now in Act 4 and am using him as an Emblem/Scepter thing with Luck and Sepith Vein to increase my drops. I was not expecting Lapis's character to dive so deeply into philosophical discussions, although if any character warrants it, it would be hers. I have a very hard time swallowing such a perfectly human-mimicking automaton... but that seems to be linked to the same "impossible technology" which can perfectly replicate the thought patterns and mannerisms of various people, so I'm setting that aside for now. *** The game seems to be hinting at progressing all three stories to a certain point to unlock the next Stratum to explore, so I'll do that before going any farther. Current playable character count in the corridor: Thirty-nine.
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Agreed, I'm an automaton but my human mimicking is extremely weak
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