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Maybe the percentage of americans who identify as religious is going down but it doesn't matter if the religious fascists are the only ones who vote
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bob dobbs is dead posted:its not gonna be christofascists, its gonna be normal fascists it'll be, and is, both. which flavor will prolly just depend on where you live
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Jul 17, 2023 19:46
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i wouldn't say it's necessarily correlated to religiosity but theres definitely a connection in commonly held beliefs. the decline in affiliation probably has more to do with people thinking that there is no god (or at least the christian god), not that they necessarily disagree with or don't hold many of the other values the church espouses like, all of those former christians probably don't completely eschew everything they were told
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Jul 17, 2023 19:47
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it's not necessarily just fascism pushing puritanical values, though the recent NATO public forum talking about internal enemies seeking to compromise NATO's shared values is.. in my opinion, a very dangerous thing to say
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Jul 17, 2023 19:48
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idc if it's around but please let me toggle nsfw on or off. (i'll leave it off)
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Jul 17, 2023 19:48
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Jonny 290 posted:idc if it's around but please let me toggle nsfw on or off. (i'll leave it off)
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Jul 17, 2023 19:49
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that reminds me though, there was a fun story on the radio just the other day about a local pastor at a primarily-latino church that was super in support of desantis and conservatives even though a whole bunch of people in his church told him they now feared for their safety and several of them had to outright move to another state because they were terrified of being deported, but i mean at least he's stopping those abortions
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Jul 17, 2023 19:49
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dioxazine posted:it's not necessarily just fascism pushing puritanical values, though the recent NATO public forum talking about internal enemies seeking to compromise NATO's shared values is.. in my opinion, a very dangerous thing to say it is definitely dangerous to connect "NATO values" (or whatever, insert geopolitical group here) and "christian values" they are not and should never be the same thing
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Jul 17, 2023 19:50
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The fact that religious fascists are also inevitably going to have their faces eaten by the leopards doesn't really make the situation better Like that's something that happens in every fascist regime but it doesn't really mean that fascism is fun
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Jul 17, 2023 19:50
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Yeah, all you had to do was be alive in the '00s to watch the New Atheist types shed their progressive veneer to reveal themselves as deeply Islamophobic and sexist to see that you can have lovely regressive views completely decoupled from religion. Even lovely views that we most commonly associate with religious people.
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Jul 17, 2023 19:51
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mystes posted:The fact that religious fascists are also inevitably going to have their faces eaten by the leopards doesn't really make the situation better the word "fun" was facetious it was more terrifying
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Jul 17, 2023 19:52
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ah yeah
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Jul 17, 2023 19:53
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also keep in mind 65% or 48% or whatever (depending on the graph) of the us adult population is still a lot of people
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Jul 17, 2023 19:55
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crazy religious people have an outsized voice ever since goldwater and them figured out the southern strategy in the 60s, they’re an easy to manipulate voting bloc plus they got catholics [also dwindling in the us] to stop voting democrat with abortion
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Jul 17, 2023 20:00
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qirex posted:crazy religious people have an outsized voice ever since goldwater and them figured out the southern strategy in the 60s, they’re an easy to manipulate voting bloc plus they got catholics [also dwindling in the us] to stop voting democrat with abortion really nixon more than auh2o but yeah
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Jul 17, 2023 20:45
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Shame Boy posted:also the people leaving the church are not the people who were frothing mad about other people having sex, they're still in the church and still frothing mad about it this is in fact a primary reason for the drop in church membership. it’s not like personal enlightenment or anything but some people are actually tired of all the hating on fags, etc LanceHunter posted:Yeah, all you had to do was be alive in the '00s to watch the New Atheist types shed their progressive veneer to reveal themselves as deeply Islamophobic and sexist to see that you can have lovely regressive views completely decoupled from religion. Even lovely views that we most commonly associate with religious people. lol yea look at dawkins and that whole group
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Jul 17, 2023 20:53
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mystes posted:the religious fascistic puritanical weirdos are winning no! no! i need tiddy, cake and bepper! its all a nutritious part of a delicious and healthy breakfast! they can pry it from my dead hands qirex posted:crazy religious people have an outsized voice ever since goldwater and them figured out the southern strategy in the 60s, they’re an easy to manipulate voting bloc plus they got catholics [also dwindling in the us] to stop voting democrat with abortion the dark patterns part of my brain is wondering if someone could socially engineer them into thinking that the act of voting is anti-christian or something because democracy undermines the rule of god or whatever and that whatever people choose means they open themselves up for gods punishments if they decide to have premarital homo sex or whatever -- and that intervening will mean they'll be punished by god for trying to steer its plan or something Expo70 fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Jul 17, 2023 21:07
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LanceHunter posted:Sadly, what we're encountering is a puritanism that is areligious in nature. Which just makes it that much more frustrating to try and combat. And much of it is coming from the religious right realizing that they're wildly unpopular. So they team up with other groups and rebrand their message in progressive-friendly nomenclature making it about controlling revenge porn, csam, exploitation, etc.
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Jul 17, 2023 21:10
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Internet Old One posted:And much of it is coming from the religious right realizing that they're wildly unpopular. So they team up with other groups and rebrand their message in progressive-friendly nomenclature making it about controlling revenge porn, csam, exploitation, etc. so basically they're abusing the liberal tendency to love reductive reasoning and to filter the world through poo poo like "why the soviet union is mordor" or "why socialism is the goo bathtubs from matrix" because original thought is hard and they need symbols and metaphors or they're unable to navigate the world i'm not kidding, this is a thing they do 
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Jul 17, 2023 21:14
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Expo70 posted:the dark patterns part of my brain is wondering if someone could socially engineer them into thinking that the act of voting is anti-christian or something because democracy undermines the rule of god or whatever and that whatever people choose means they open themselves up for gods punishments if they decide to have premarital homo sex or whatever -- and that intervening will mean they'll be punished by god for trying to steer its plan or something the current fundie model is "you must vote, and here's how also we will drive you to the polling station or take in your absentee ballot" because they know who's behind them being so relevant
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Jul 17, 2023 21:16
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dioxazine posted:this is a very roundabout way of telling people to use wechat and line f that, use weed and lean instead. the best social network is the one in your head, where it's just you and the spider people and/or machine elves in a well actually posted:in the world of fosta/sesta it just doesn’t work for anyone mainstream annoyingly, it apparently no longer is in the eyes of the courts (see the last segment), but in a way that doesn't matter, because none of the changes made for FOSTA/SESTA will be rolled back despite its narrowing. technically, maybe, if scotus were to grant cert on further appeal, but idk that they would (you'd likely need another circuit decision clashing with this one, and that'll take forever), and even if so, lol current scotus making a good decision here the gently caress is the pollster language reasoning here for "do you happen to be?" versus simply "are you?"
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Jul 17, 2023 21:17
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:the gently caress is the pollster language reasoning here for "do you happen to be?" versus simply "are you?" if they asked "do you identify as religious" 20% of respondents would shriek "I'm an attack helicopter" and hang up or close the browser window
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Jul 17, 2023 21:19
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i don't think super religious people actually exist, i haven't talked to one in ages
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Jul 17, 2023 21:26
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Expo70 posted:no! no! there are no principles under fascism in the sense of something that you uphold even when it does not benefit you. fascism is a temper tantrum with an aesthetic. these people understand power on an animal level to a far greater degree than you and i.
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Jul 17, 2023 21:26
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Eeyo posted:i don't think super religious people actually exist, i haven't talked to one in ages oh they definitely do
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Jul 17, 2023 21:29
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yeah wtf lol
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Jul 17, 2023 21:30
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Eeyo posted:i don't think super religious people actually exist, i haven't talked to one in ages 
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Jul 17, 2023 21:32
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Eeyo posted:i don't think super religious people actually exist, i haven't talked to one in ages blessèd fuckin existence op
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Jul 17, 2023 21:37
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Sapozhnik posted:there are no principles under fascism in the sense of something that you uphold even when it does not benefit you. fascism is a temper tantrum with an aesthetic. these people understand power on an animal level to a far greater degree than you and i. Nah, they don't actually understand it at all. They just haven't suppressed their urge to do harm to others and have correctly connected harming people with grtting what they want. Do predators "understand" why they need to kill? No, they just do.
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Jul 17, 2023 21:43
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on the one hand the religious right are getting their asses handed to them socially speaking. there's gay and trans characters in major tv shows, adherence to "traditional christian morals" is clearly on the decline, belief in god and church attendance is declining, etc. but on the other hand, they spent decades building up a presence in government, and those efforts are finally bearing fruit, most obviously with the scotus reversal of roe v wade. there's a contingent of conservative america that may not be deeply religious but still gets a funny feeling about the queers, and they might be willing to throw in with the religious right if it means a return to Winning
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Jul 17, 2023 22:10
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bob dobbs is dead posted:skyrocketing religion rates, absolutely, right?  from: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/09/13/how-u-s-religious-composition-has-changed-in-recent-decades/ look how fuckin steady that line is from 1972-92 and its a generational/cohort replacement trend too. the remaining religiously-affiliated americans are disproportionately old people and theyre dying off in droves so this trend is going to continue for several more decades (the link above has some projections) also churches got hit real hard during the plague as as lots of people who stopped going because they were closed/quarantined discovered that they rather liked not having to drag their asses out of bed every sunday and waste a chunk of an already too-short weekend when there are so many other things they could be doing ( https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/22/us-churches-closing-religion-covid-christianity )
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Jul 17, 2023 22:16
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I hope organized religion continues to die and that the trashing limbs of the bleeding beast won't hurt too many minorities as it breathes its last
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Jul 17, 2023 22:20
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i said this earlier but in interviews with a lot of these people it literally all comes down to the hate. if the church as a body decided to just actually preach love and acceptance and goodwill i don't think they'd be dropping off as much
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Jul 17, 2023 22:24
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Eeyo posted:i don't think super religious people actually exist, i haven't talked to one in ages go hang around an abortion clinic on a saturday morning
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Jul 17, 2023 22:25
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Eeyo posted:i don't think super religious people actually exist, i haven't talked to one in ages a lot of them are front loading their poo poo onto people as a philosophy instead of a religion where the values live on without the religious part they're still religious, they just won't describe themselves as religious or think of themselves as religious protestant work ethic is practically a whole religion in and of itself, and you don't have to be a god-liker to do it to yourself
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Jul 17, 2023 22:32
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Expo70 posted:a lot of them are front loading their poo poo onto people as a philosophy instead of a religion where the values live on without the religious part it's this Calvinism is in no way an exclusively christian affliction
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Jul 17, 2023 22:50
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I mean it's not just people who believe christian-ish stuff without actually considering themselves to be christians A lot of christians realize that a large percentage of the country will get mad if they try to force their religion on other people, so they simply lie and come up with fake explanations for why their backwards religious beliefs aren't actually religious beliefs but are "common sense" or whatever and therefore are okay to force on other people I think also the increase in non religious people is mostly coming from the moderate end of christians, so the christians who are left are getting more and more extreme
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Jul 17, 2023 22:53
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i was just kidding by the way, i have in-laws that are religious nuts. they're very hypocritical, they cut off contact after another inlaw came out as trans. we've never said anything about how they're abusing their children with their religious upbringing so the least they could do is shut the gently caress up
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Jul 17, 2023 23:03
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the american christian grifter mediasphere is pretty impressive an entire alternate reality of movies, music, books, clothing, television, radio, board games, video games, and every conceivable household product clumsily ticking "christian" checkboxes and forming a defensive perimeter for god-fearing households against the secular world
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Internet Janitor posted:the american christian grifter mediasphere is pretty impressive because he loves you cheeseburger with all his heart and there ain't nothin' gonna tear you two apart
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