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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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You seem to be incorrectly witnessing genocide, want to have another go?
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Jul 17, 2023 21:41
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There's been a lot of this Christian with valknut tat style posting all over the internet ever since it became clear that the spring offense was nothing. Almost like they feel the need to convince their own more gullible, less tuned in, followers that they're not backing the European version of the mujahideen at this point. If the media grants the gullible McDonald's crowd a narrative that tells them how to be both capital D democrats (the good guys!) while also being anti-war (like Tucker Carlson????) we might see a slow draw down and a west/east split. Just in time to start the real wars that the US has been salivating about for decades. The US won't stop until all of Asia is a checkerboard of tourist friendly and easily bribed regional democratic ethnostates, finally free of the shackles of whoever their neighbors are, all thanks to US intervention. Do not ask the age of consent.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:05
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I think they will in fact be easily stopped by China.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:06
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not quite sure when NATO is going to formally tire of supporting Ukraine but having watched the NATO summit, I think things are going to change sometime after the first of the year 2024
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Jul 17, 2023 22:08
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bedpan posted:not quite sure when NATO is going to formally tire of supporting Ukraine but having watched the NATO summit, I think things are going to change sometime after the first of the year 2024 then i guess it's nuclear brinkmanship with China for an indefinite amount of time
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Jul 17, 2023 22:10
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Regarde Aduck posted:then i guess it's nuclear brinkmanship with China for an indefinite amount of time until trump is elected and dissolves nato
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Jul 17, 2023 22:10
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bedpan posted:not quite sure when NATO is going to formally tire of supporting Ukraine but having watched the NATO summit, I think things are going to change sometime after the first of the year 2024 Finally! Enough of this backwater!
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Jul 17, 2023 22:11
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Ukraine is still a good grift for disposing of old unwanted gear to justify buying new shiny gear. The west will keep supplying Ukraine for some time to come. I think the real limiting factor on western support is how long the US will prop up Ukraine's government by paying all their bills. They probably lose financial support before they lose military support, which will have no repercussions whatsoever because the west absolutely thinks everything through
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Jul 17, 2023 22:12
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Nonsense posted:Finally! Enough of this backwater! Yep. Watch out for articles about Ukraine not in fact being important or Russia is already contained or the real menace/cause of the war was China
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Jul 17, 2023 22:13
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the russians are literally going to kill every single man, woman, and child in Ukraine but we've got to look at the big picture and fight the Chinese
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Jul 17, 2023 22:15
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you know this topic is an extremely good place if you ever feel like finessing rhetoric/discourse we've talked about this here and in other threads, but one really difficult thing to break through is this thing of our time where a different affirmation is taken immediately as a negative/refusal. So, when people point out "hey there are nazis in the ukrainian forces", ideological discourse takes full steam in others and means that the person affirming that is obviously a sympathizer of Putin and favorable to the present Russian state but of course, both things can be true: there are nazis in the ukrainian forces and the present Russian state is led by a reactionary oligarch, who has his own fascist cretins also. and emphasizing such things work. People start to realize that they are going together with a bundle of assumptions about the topic because that's what ideological discourse does, and the gears shift accordingly (and of course it is much more effective when actually talking to people instead of posting)
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Jul 17, 2023 22:16
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Frosted Flake posted:Sure, we learned about it in Artillery School, because no Canadian gun has ever been lost to the enemy, no matter the circumstances: Thanks dude! The whole battle of France is just drastically different to how it's depicted in even semi serious history
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Jul 17, 2023 22:20
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dead gay comedy forums posted:you know this topic is an extremely good place if you ever feel like finessing rhetoric/discourse ime if you successfully manage to get western liberals to actually listen to something like "the russian and ukrainian working classes are both being brutalized by their respective ruling classes" they will respond with something along the lines of "yes but that's no fun," but mostly they will hear you want to fondle putlers tits and rear end
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Jul 17, 2023 22:21
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Buffer posted:AFAIK it wasn't a suicide bomber, they got some contract trucker to move it like any other freight and *boom* This was the most hosed up thing I have seen either side do in this war by a huge huge margin and it still pisses me off just to think about it
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Jul 17, 2023 22:22
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I'm still holding out hope that Ukraine will see their way clear to surrendering at some point in the future (probably by running some sort of coup on the current pro-war faction and getting in new people who can credibly negotiate with Russia) but it's not exactly clear to me how this can happen without the blessing of the US.. so regrettably my opinion is still that most likely this will continue until American weapon manufacturers have made every last dollar of profit they can off this whole affair.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:22
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Lol dumb bitch reporting posts
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Jul 17, 2023 22:24
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speng31b posted:Lol dumb bitch reporting posts I have to say I'm very pleased by your shame based modding technique, keep it up
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Jul 17, 2023 22:29
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dead gay comedy forums posted:you know this topic is an extremely good place if you ever feel like finessing rhetoric/discourse Zodium posted:ime if you successfully manage to get western liberals to actually listen to something like "the russian and ukrainian working classes are both being brutalized by their respective ruling classes" they will respond with something along the lines of "yes but that's no fun," but mostly they will hear you want to fondle putlers tits and rear end How about if the Russians, while right-liberals, are actually the better choice for at least Russian/Russian-speakers and it isn't a "both sides" issue? You can talk about "both working classes being exploited" but in all honesty those people are probably better off with the Russians.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:31
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The Russia-Ukraine war is causing exponentially more posting casualties by the day
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Jul 17, 2023 22:32
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The Rules-Based International Order strongly opposes unilateral territorial annexations, like those Russia has carried out in Ukraine. https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1681011827185008647
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Jul 17, 2023 22:37
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Zodium posted:young sheldon but his special interest is racial purity
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Jul 17, 2023 22:39
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Ardennes posted:How about if the Russians, while right-liberals, are actually the better choice for at least Russian/Russian-speakers and it isn't a "both sides" issue? You can talk about "both working classes being exploited" but in all honesty those people are probably better off with the Russians. the two sides are ruling and working class.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:43
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Danann posted:
speng31b posted:https://www.military.africa/2022/12/morocco-choose-sides-supplies-t-72b-tanks-to-ukraine/
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Jul 17, 2023 22:44
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The working class are not a side because they're not organized and have no position or say in what's happening.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:47
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Zodium posted:the two sides are ruling and working class. It is simply better for the working class there at that time materially to side with the Russians, and I don't think people in the West have any real say in that regard. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:50 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Jul 17, 2023 22:48
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i have it on good authority that the czechs stole it, sawed the steering wheel club in half and everything
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Jul 17, 2023 22:48
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Ardennes posted:It is simply better for the working class there at that time materially to side with the Russians, and I don't think a Western has any real say in that regard. lol, care to tease that out? Because it seems pretty clear to me that the working class in the region's getting hosed either way.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:49
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Lostconfused posted:The working class are not a side because they're not organized and have no position or say in what's happening. they're the losing side.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:50
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Majorian posted:lol, care to tease that out? Because it seems pretty clear to me that the working class in the region's getting hosed either way. avoiding the imf is an objective bonus
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Jul 17, 2023 22:53
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Majorian posted:lol, care to tease that out? Because it seems pretty clear to me that the working class in the region's getting hosed either way. They are clearly better off with the Russians in a material sense than Russia, not only is Ukraine bankrupt, but Ukraine is also press-ganging men along with everything else (cultural suppression, etc). At least Russia offers some stability. Zodium posted:they're the losing side. Better than to make the best deal possible
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Jul 17, 2023 22:53
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Old and busted: Russia is about to run out of shells New hotness: https://twitter.com/BuddyYakov/status/1680625891326693376?t=I4IFUlWeJ51tBUe-6RHVQA&s=19
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Jul 17, 2023 22:54
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Ardennes posted:Better than to make the best deal possible they're not in a position to make any deals because they're not organized.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:54
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Ardennes posted:They are clearly better off with the Russians in a material sense than Russia, not only is Ukraine bankrupt, but Ukraine is also press-ganging men along with everything else (cultural suppression, etc). At least Russia offers some stability. I'm sorry, but that's a delusional take. If Russia holds onto the Donbas the region's going to suffer a protracted insurgency funded by NATO for decades to come. There isn't going to be any stability for the Donbas anytime soon. Regarde Aduck posted:avoiding the imf is an objective bonus It is, I'll give you that. It seems likely to me, however, that Moscow will be only too happy to pull the copper wiring out of the walls in the region themselves. They're getting economically plundered either way.
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Jul 17, 2023 22:58
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Some Guy TT posted:The Crimean Tatars are the Turkic-speaking native people of Crimea, absorbed by the Mongol Golden Horde in the 13th century. There was no such thing as a Crimean Tatar in the 13th century. Nix Panicus posted:Ukraine supposedly has a bunch of mechanized assets hidden away somewhere still, I guess to exploit any openings the, uh, recon in force opens up. I wonder if we'll see them any time soon? My hot take is the challengers have been given to nazis to put down any mutiny. Anyone know anything about Levada? They were put on the foreign agents list in 2016 but they seem to still have a Moscow office.
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Jul 17, 2023 23:00
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Weka posted:Anyone know anything about Levada? They were put on the foreign agents list in 2016 but they seem to still have a Moscow office. "Anything" meaning their reputability? Because they're pretty well-regarded as a polling firm.
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Jul 17, 2023 23:04
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gradenko_2000 posted:Old and busted: Russia is about to run out of shells Tweets like that are end stage lib brain. By the time lend lease really started to pick up, the great battles that turned the war in Russia around were already over. Namely the defence of Moscow and Leningrad, the victory at Stalingrad and then at Kursk in 43. The majority of lend lease goods arrived between 43-45 and it's real impact was that it gave the Soviets the logistical structure to make Operation Bagration such a success in 44. Besides, Tooze's book "The Wages of Destruction" is brilliant and it deserves a spot right alongside Overy and Glantz. Hammerstein has issued a correction as of 23:08 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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Jul 17, 2023 23:04
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Weka posted:There was no such thing as a Crimean Tatar in the 13th century. there were kipchaks
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Jul 17, 2023 23:08
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presumably the ukrainians do maintain an armoured reserve, but this idea that they've only used a couple of their brigades is imo deeply suspect they've been doing more than a month of offensive action with the NYT estimating 20-30% loss rates from at least some of the participating units - i.e., they've been seriously chewed up and will have had to be pulled off the line to refit. they're still attacking in several sectors. unless all their attacks are limited to sending in the territorial defence units in death marches - which i doubt - they're using their husbanded offensive resources.
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Jul 17, 2023 23:11
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gradenko_2000 posted:Old and busted: Russia is about to run out of shells well that reads dire for the wests chances at this war then
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Jul 17, 2023 23:11
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lol yeah the ukrainians really do have a mass mobilisation thing going on - unlike the russians, who are just actually getting their armaments sector to prioritise production over profits
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Jul 17, 2023 23:13
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