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Seems like you’re cherry-picking the worst examples and actually aren’t open to changing your mind? 
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I worry that spacesuit is going to permanently pry those buttcheeks apart
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Jul 18, 2023 07:01
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The fingers thing is ultimately irrelevant because AI art becoming technically better doesn't change why people dislike it. Thinking that it'll be accepted once it reaches a certain quality level kinda exposes that you don't really "get" art.
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Jul 18, 2023 07:02
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mycot posted:The fingers thing is ultimately irrelevant because AI art becoming technically better doesn't change why people dislike it. Thinking that it'll be accepted once it reaches a certain quality level kinda exposes that you don't really "get" art. Yeah, the labor concerns people have won't be alleviated by AI getting better at threatening jobs.
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Jul 18, 2023 07:13
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I think the question of what art is and whether ai creations can qualify, is separate from the labor concerns.
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Jul 18, 2023 07:17
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DancingMachine posted:the vast majority of game studio staff will just be asked to use better tools to make bigger better stuff for the foreseeable future. Bigger, yes. Better, I'm not so sure. Don't gamers already complain about every game becoming a huge open-world slog of filler content?
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Jul 18, 2023 09:00
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Vegetable posted:Seems like you’re cherry-picking the worst examples and actually aren’t open to changing your mind? it's not cherry picking when all the cherries have 6 fingers
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Jul 18, 2023 09:09
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Vegetable posted:Seems like you’re cherry-picking the worst examples and actually aren’t open to changing your mind? Who cares what the good examples look like when basically every application of AI threatens laborand by extension normal people most of all for no meaningful gain?
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Jul 18, 2023 09:10
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I didn't read any of that poo poo.
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Jul 18, 2023 09:13
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mycot posted:The fingers thing is ultimately irrelevant because AI art becoming technically better doesn't change why people dislike it. Thinking that it'll be accepted once it reaches a certain quality level kinda exposes that you don't really "get" art. Art competitions, including those where machine generated art has been banned, are regularly won by art wholly or in part generated by machines. Some have been cancelled indefinitely due to the difficulty in enforcing the rules. The general public already accepts it.
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Jul 18, 2023 13:23
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Captain Oblivious posted:Who cares what the good examples look like when basically every application of AI threatens laborand by extension normal people most of all for no meaningful gain? A change in labor demand is not the problem. The problem is that people's actual lives (medical, food, shelter, etc) are threatened if they are put out of work. Avoid conflating the two. For creative endeavors (which includes a great deal of "technical" work), AI might raise the floor, but it ain't no ceiling.
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Jul 18, 2023 14:35
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Wouldnt an AI actually be better suited to replacing a CEO? AI is stronger at data analysis than anything else, right?
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Jul 18, 2023 15:02
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I mean, yes, obviously.
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Jul 18, 2023 15:08
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I said come in! posted:Wouldnt an AI actually be better suited to replacing a CEO? AI is stronger at data analysis than anything else, right? And you wouldn't have to pay them! Think of the cost savings.
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Jul 18, 2023 15:22
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Has Microsoft openly pledged to fix any of the working culture problems? I'm not expecting them to come out and say that they'll put locks on the breastfeeding rooms or fridges, but maybe someone has dropped hints that they'll fire some assholes?
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Jul 18, 2023 15:27
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I said come in! posted:Wouldnt an AI actually be better suited to replacing a CEO? AI is stronger at data analysis than anything else, right? This is how we all go extinct because human sludge helps increase rates of paperclip production
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Jul 18, 2023 16:01
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"no AI on steam" is kinda bogus, Vaudeville is p popular with streamers right now and has AI Voice Actors https://store.steampowered.com/app/2240920/Vaudeville/
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Jul 18, 2023 16:03
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It’s very arbitrary right now. It looks more like Steam is following a weird “don’t ask don’t tell” policy
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Jul 18, 2023 16:11
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Goa Tse-tung posted:"no AI on steam" is kinda bogus, Vaudeville is p popular with streamers right now and has AI Voice Actors It might mean more like "this game is nothing but AI generated assets" vs "you can have a crumb of AI generated assets as a treat". I haven't touched that, nor do I plan to. But I wonder how long it'd stay.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:14
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They made it clear their issue is with the uncertain copyright status of AI generated images using models sourced from unlicenced datasets (which is most models) If the various lawsuits against Stability and co end up going in the AI companies favor then Valve will immediately open the floodgates, they don't give a poo poo about low quality slop flooding Steam
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Jul 18, 2023 16:21
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I said come in! posted:Wouldnt an AI actually be better suited to replacing a CEO? AI is stronger at data analysis than anything else, right? Most video game CEOs could be replaced with a moldy turnip, and the only difference you might notice is a marginal decrease in stupid policies that arbitrarily make the employees miserable.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:30
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MH Knights posted:Was the story about a trans woman being treated horribly at Zenimax Online Studios (ZOS), the studio that makes Elder Scrolls Online - not Bethesda proper*, posted yet? It really sucks as trans people have so few legal protections so depending on where the jurisdiction is ZOS could get away with this. I found an article about this, in case you don't have time to watch a four hour video.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:56
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SilentChaz posted:I found an article about this, in case you don't have time to watch a four hour video. yeah no locking her out of her work accounts is absolute horseshit from the IT dickheads at ZeniMax - I worked a data access control role at Microsoft before the pandemic and that should be no different than someone doing a bog standard username or alias change unless Bethesda has something completely stupid in their RBAC architecture. Unless no one in the company has ever needed to change their working alias (which, while possible, would mean no one put in name changes when they were married, there were no name conflicts with employees, no one was unlucky enough to get cunthorped, etc..) this problem would have occurred before, presumably at a fairly regular frequency. That's not even going into the deadnaming bullshit people were pulling as well, which there's not even a veneer of a defense for.
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Jul 18, 2023 17:51
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Unfortunately, this sort of transphobic bullshit isn't too surprising. I was jerked around by HR for 6 months on my name change, yet they were somehow instantly able to change a colleague's name same day when she was married. It was only when lawyers started to be mentioned did it suddenly seem to work itself out. In this case, it's absolutely not that the people at Bethesda couldn't change her name- they just didn't want to.
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Jul 18, 2023 18:25
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James Stephanie Sterling also made a summary video about that bullshit that was going on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko8khiV3C4Y
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Jul 18, 2023 19:15
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Polygon posted:Blizzard’s bringing its PC games to Steam, starting with Overwatch 2  
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It'll still require battle.net, surely?
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Jul 20, 2023 10:46
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repiv posted:They made it clear their issue is with the uncertain copyright status of AI generated images using models sourced from unlicenced datasets (which is most models) exactly. quote:"We are continuing to learn about AI, the ways it can be used in game development, and how to factor it in to our process for reviewing games submitted for distribution on Steam. Our priority, as always, is to try to ship as many of the titles we receive as we can. The introduction of AI can sometimes make it harder to show a developer has sufficient rights in using AI to create assets, including images, text, and music. In particular, there is some legal uncertainty relating to data used to train AI models. It is the developer's responsibility to make sure they have the appropriate rights to ship their game.
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Jul 20, 2023 11:16
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THE BAR posted:It'll still require battle.net, surely? It won't launch battle.net or a mini version of it, apparently. Supposedly it'll juat need you to sign into your battle.net account in game. Probably the same as the eventual Gamepass version, once the MS deal is complete.
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Jul 20, 2023 11:33
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Veotax posted:It won't launch battle.net or a mini version of it, apparently. Supposedly it'll juat need you to sign into your battle.net account in game. Oh that's.. progressive? I'd really like to play the Anno games again, but the fact I have to bust out Uplay or whatever makes it not feel worth the bother, so them bypassing battle.net like that is neat and all. Shame it's in the service of a game no one plays!
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Jul 20, 2023 11:35
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THE BAR posted:Oh that's.. progressive? I'd really like to play the Anno games again, but the fact I have to bust out Uplay or whatever makes it not feel worth the bother, so them bypassing battle.net like that is neat and all. They're probably trying to see if steam will juice their numbers
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Jul 20, 2023 13:19
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Yeah, for sure.
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Jul 20, 2023 13:26
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leper khan posted:They're probably trying to see if steam will juice their numbers Unfortunately for them Steams player numbers are public so if it bombs everyone will know Blizzard are careful to hide when their games are in decline (they stopped reporting WoW sub counts after 2015) but they can't opt-out in Steam repiv fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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Jul 20, 2023 13:33
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They can explain that with all the Steam users migrating to battle.net proper, of course!
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Jul 20, 2023 13:42
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The Steam OW2 numbers are going to mean nothing since at this point 99.999% of anyone who wanted to play OW2 on PC is already playing it on battle.net.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:35
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nah, they'll be a clear indicator of how pathetic of a move it was, which is extremely useful for the purposes of mockery
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Lemon-Lime posted:The Steam OW2 numbers are going to mean nothing since at this point 99.999% of anyone who wanted to play OW2 on PC is already playing it on battle.net. OW2 is free to play, right? If you could just download the Steam version and sign in to your account and get everything you paid for on battle.net, I could see a good number of people moving over if they already use Steam for other things. Not a majority of the players, or whatever, but a decent number. I probably would, if I played the game.
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There's probably some people who'll move over, and depending on how it works with Linux (I know some people got it running on there already) there's probably at least some Steam Deck users who'll jump in. As well as people who realise the actual Bnet launcher is probably being discontinued at some point.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:54
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Yeah, Microsoft killed the Bethesda launcher after that purchase, didn't they? Can't see battle.net sticking around unless someone makes a really good case for it. Or I don't see new games going to it, or being exclusive to it at the very least, from here on.
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