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https://twitter.com/BMarchetich/status/1680984690386141185?t=7i09EtziPkkbGvfPKSiyxA&s=19
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Jul 18, 2023 03:40
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Frog Act posted:BBC using the same statistics people itt were contextualizing very effectively for a shameless propaganda piece entitled “Burnt out or jobless - meet China's 'full-time children'”, about the apparently bleak and hopeless outlook for China’s college-educated youth, who are returning home en masse after being unfairly exploited by the private sector. I mean it’s pretty typical for the BBC but drat this is almost exceptionally stupid even by those incredibly low standards: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-66172192 It's great how they identify problems with workplace culture and exploitation of staff in the tech industry contributing to all this burnout and then immediately say how draconian ccp regulations are to blame. quote:China's recent crackdowns on industries popular among young Chinese professionals have also choked the job market. Regulations against major tech companies, restrictions on the tutoring industry and and a ban on foreign investment in private education have all led to job cuts. Western liberals reading all this and nodding sagely about how it makes perfect sense we don't regulate the tech industry as it will just make working conditions worse.
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Jul 18, 2023 04:08
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Question for the thread, I was discussing writings about China with a friend recently and the text Sorghum and Steel by the Chuang Collective came up. I've searched a bit a round and have seen some people recommend it but no real discussion. Has anyone here read it or know anything about the group behind it?
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Jul 18, 2023 06:52
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Tankbuster posted:Its loving insane how badly that man has screwed over the electoral left in India. Went from having 40 seats and passing laws that lifted a quarter billion people out of poverty to writing opinion pieces in jacobin. do lots of indian people read jacobin
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Jul 18, 2023 07:05
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stephenthinkpad posted:So I looked up why digital rmb can be used offline. The way they explained it is that they are acting like small denominations of personal checks when you pay and receive payment offline. it took me way too long to realize that my alipay qr code worked even if i didnt have an internet connection and holy poo poo did that improve my opinion on alipays usefulness as an app
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Jul 18, 2023 07:07
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thread title plz
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Jul 18, 2023 07:11
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1680960476921081861 wait ethnic chinese people in canada have the option to vote for candidates who dont hate china??? this is a mockery of democracy!!!
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Jul 18, 2023 07:13
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Jul 18, 2023 07:46
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ah gently caress i did the meme thing and got a celta certificate and am supposed to move to shenzhen this week and now im thinking i made a huge mistake.
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Jul 18, 2023 08:09
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Bot 02 posted:Question for the thread, I was discussing writings about China with a friend recently and the text Sorghum and Steel by the Chuang Collective came up. I've searched a bit a round and have seen some people recommend it but no real discussion. Has anyone here read it or know anything about the group behind it? I'm getting leftcom people who think the CPC betrayed the revolution vibes from why they think socialism doesn't exist in China article. quote:To conclude, let’s review the basic points: China is only a “socialist” country insofar as the meaning of the term “socialism” has become utterly bankrupt. This bankruptcy has mostly occurred through the false equivalence between “socialism” and “development.” While developmental programs were once at least conceivably justified insofar as they established the basic conditions necessary for communism, today even this tenuous argument no longer holds. China’s level of development is in all respects more than sufficient to proceed with the abolition of capitalist society. Moreover, development alone should not be conflated with socialism. Many other parts of the world have seen similarly rapid development, often under openly capitalist or even dictatorial regimes backed by the major imperialist powers. These governments also emphasized that they had lifted their populations out of poverty. Yeah wow god forbid China develops her productive forces no the CPC betrayed the revolution because it did not press the communism button. Also what other parts of the world, India is definitely not building out thousands of kilometers of rail and Russia only just started the process of getting rid of its neoliberalism due to economic warfare from the West. Japan's industry is dead in the water since the Plaza Accord, South Korea is starting that process, and Thailand's was destroyed when it ran out of reserves to maintain its baht peg to the dollar.
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Jul 18, 2023 08:28
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quote:Many other parts of the world have seen similarly rapid development, oh yeah like where?
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Jul 18, 2023 08:30
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man i love reading all these blog posts about how china is doing communism wrong EDIT: oh wow it looks like they're affiliated with promise li and other hong kong protest dweebs, how surprising Comrade Koba has issued a correction as of 09:01 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Jul 18, 2023 08:47
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fart simpson posted:oh yeah like where? Meiji Japan 
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Jul 18, 2023 08:53
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People severely underestimating just how poor China was 75 years ago and just how much development you need to provide for 1.4 billion people (ie. 20% of the world population) is a very common theme in China criticism from the "left". It's like they see some pictures of Shanghai and go "China looks plenty developed to me".
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Jul 18, 2023 08:57
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Bot 02 posted:Question for the thread, I was discussing writings about China with a friend recently and the text Sorghum and Steel by the Chuang Collective came up. I've searched a bit a round and have seen some people recommend it but no real discussion. Has anyone here read it or know anything about the group behind it? interesting... quote:But the most striking feature of Pereira’s report was not its author’s checkered history nor his descriptions of the ornate but effective Ming judicial system. Instead, it was the curious fact that, among all the “Chinese” people he spoke to, none had heard of “China,” nor any of its supposedly native correlates (variants on Zhongguo—the “middle” or “central” country or countries). Pereira himself travelled exclusively in what is today Southern China, traversing Fujian, Guangdong, Guangxi and Guizhou provinces. These regions were host to a myriad of local “dialects,” most as mutually incommunicable as European “languages” are from one another, often centered on local place ties and the trade networks that connected coastal regions to Southeast Asia. Nor were these provinces settled by the “Han” ethnicity exclusively—and even the existence of such a category has recently been called into question.[1] Instead, the region had been home to the Hui, Baiyue, She, Miao-Yao, Zhuang and numerous other ethno-linguistic groups. quote:The result, we hope, is a picture of socialist China as it actually was, neither a totalitarian wasteland nor the kingdom of heaven. The nation we illustrate below was not “Mao’s China” in any meaning of the phrase. It was a project constructed by millions of people, and its ultimate (though not historically determined) result is the China we see today—a China that holds the global economy together at its disintegrating roots. A China that, we hope, will also finally be undone by more millions of Chinese people, alongside billions of others destroying their thousand nations and, with them, this monstrous economy that yokes each to all and all to none. ...uhhhh https://chuangcn.org/about/ quote:闯 Chuǎng will publish a journal analyzing the ongoing development of capitalism in China, its historical roots, and the revolts of those crushed beneath it. Beyond the White Paper: An Interview on the Social Elite in Shanghai’s Protests of November 2022 quote:In this post we present an interview with a friend who was present at the November 27th protests on Wulumuqi Road in Shanghai. It’s important to note that this is not an interview with a Chinese participant in the protest and is certainly not the viewpoint of an “activist” involved in the movement. In this case the interviewee is a foreigner, fluent in Mandarin, who has lived and worked in mainland China for many years. We have therefore given them the pseudonym “John.” What Do Chinese Workers Think about the CCP? quote:Throughout this series, we encourage readers to reformat these answers for use across platforms. If you’ve designed pamphlets, infographics or other media using these materials, please send them to us (e-mail: chuangcn@riseup.net) so that we can archive them here and repost on social media. Wasn’t China a communist country under Mao? quote:We offer an alternative method in part 1 and part 2 of our economic history of China. So, the simple response to the question is: No, China was not a communist country under Mao. crepeface has issued a correction as of 09:03 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Jul 18, 2023 09:00
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quote:China today follows in the same footsteps, but in conditions of even more intense global competition. So it is not surprising that the union between Chinese capitalists and state power is similarly intense. In the Chinese party-state, all upper-level positions (roughly county level and above) are staffed by guanliao (官僚), a term often translated simply as “bureaucrats,” but which actually designates only these higher-level government posts—almost universally held by wealthy individuals who, in any other country, would clearly be seen as capitalists. The guanliao form the official core of the group of capitalists who are “inside the system.” But almost all major capitalists in the country can also be categorized as lying “inside the system,” including those who hold no official bureaucratic post but are nonetheless party members, such as Jack Ma. Similarly, all major companies, including “private” ones, have party members placed in upper management. The only person who fits the definition of capitalist... does not hold any actual power or title in the party outside of having a membership card. None of the people in the linked FT article who would fit the definition of capitalist seem to hold significant power or title in the party too. Like drat I'm impressed by the sleight of hand happening here where the author just asserts an association of bureaucrat with capitalist and then hopes that their audience is someone who's too new to even notice the contradiction literally two sentences later.
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Jul 18, 2023 09:03
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they're just ultras, not much to it
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Jul 18, 2023 09:03
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Social Contagion and other material on microbiological class war in Chinaquote:Through on-the-ground interviews, reports and analysis, Social Contagion offers a piercing portrait of the simultaneously draconian and ineffectual response of the Chinese state, as well as the self-organizing survival strategies of ordinary Chinese workers. lol if china was ineffectual at dealing with covid what was every other state?
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Jul 18, 2023 09:05
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crepeface posted:Social Contagion and other material on microbiological class war in China Very effective at giving everyone covid
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Jul 18, 2023 09:17
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(click for full size)   you could dig even more (check out the board of trustees for the asia society for a hearty lol) but it's probably not worth the effort Comrade Koba has issued a correction as of 09:25 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Jul 18, 2023 09:19
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crepeface posted:interesting... Yeah that's the initial vibe I got from it but I wanted to check in with someone else. Comrade Koba posted:Darren Byler Lol they're literally posting blog posts by this guy, who is a member of the "Kissinger Institute on China and The United States". Bot 02 has issued a correction as of 09:37 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Jul 18, 2023 09:35
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Mantis42 posted:they're just ultras, not much to it yep. those guys are the type of people that say the revolution failed as soon as they stopped pushing for global revolution and stayed in one country
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Jul 18, 2023 10:29
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crepeface posted:interesting... First of all, never heard of Chuang collective until today. Chuang kinda means rebel or doing business along so its a curious name. But I just don't understand what are these articles for. Who is the audience? Trying to prove China doing communism wrong for the western and american aiduence? What is the chain of thought here. 1 CPC not doing communism properly ... 3 therefore must enbrace US system? How do you go from 1 to 3? I don't get it. If your plan is just stay on 1 and never get to 3, then there is almost no audience inside or outside of China. I guess this is strictly for outside if the website is English only. China has already said they were doing socialism with Chinese characteristic since Deng. Yeah they are doing it different from other countries. It's allowed. Read some of the Sorghum & Steel, feel like it was originally written in Eng, and only translated in Chinese by a different guy. How niche is this poo poo.
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Jul 18, 2023 10:38
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stephenthinkpad posted:First of all, never heard of Chuang collective until today. Chuang kinda means rebel or doing business along so its a curious name. There were very large and sympathetic to the USSR communist parties in much of the west during the early cold war. So there was funding to convince them the USSR was actually doing it wrong and the way forward is actually to crawl up your own rear end. And those programs never go completely away.
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Jul 18, 2023 10:44
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chuang formed when declaring oneself and one's friends as an anonymous "collective" for or against some aspect of china was in vogue. lausan and qiao started around the same time, and for some mysterious reason the former fell into inactivity around the time its putative leader got a legacy media job
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Jul 18, 2023 10:46
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stephenthinkpad posted:First of all, never heard of Chuang collective until today. Chuang kinda means rebel or doing business along so its a curious name. some of the gbs china thread guys like them. so theres a small audience
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Jul 18, 2023 10:48
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The audience is the small numbers of anarchists and communists groups in the US. Getting any access to english language material regarding China requires you to read extensively and form your own thought. So having some Chinese sounding group write a huge fuckoff book about current/relevant issues in China makes you sound very smart (the book they released during Covid about Covid was huge and 75% of it was just wierd fillers about Chinese tradition and how that leads to them not valuing life). Same thing happens with the article they released about the imminent real estate market crash. The article about housing markets, speculation and local govt debt somehow had huge chunks of it dedicated to mandate of heaven and Chinese emperors.
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Jul 18, 2023 10:54
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the practical use of groups like this is to let people have terrible gbs opinions about china without having to throw in with the right wing dingbats who are slightly too vulgar about it for polite society
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Jul 18, 2023 10:54
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R. Guyovich posted:the practical use of groups like this is to let people have terrible gbs opinions about china without having to throw in with the right wing dingbats who are slightly too vulgar about it for polite society one of chuangs things that they always talk about is how there fundamentally cannot be any socialist state or socialist society as long as capitalism still exists in the world. its global all or nothing. which, we know means its nothing and you dont need to do anything about it. very convenient
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Jul 18, 2023 11:11
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R. Guyovich posted:the practical use of groups like this is to let people have terrible gbs opinions about china without having to throw in with the right wing dingbats who are slightly too vulgar about it for polite society So like, having an unique, artisanal, fancy pant style of hating China instead of the run-of-the-mill Costco $9.95 for a 3-pack generic China hating opinion?
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Jul 18, 2023 11:27
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fart simpson posted:some of the gbs china thread guys like them. so theres a small audience ah
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Jul 18, 2023 11:30
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crepeface posted:Social Contagion and other material on microbiological class war in China
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Jul 18, 2023 11:31
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stephenthinkpad posted:Read some of the Sorghum & Steel, feel like it was originally written in Eng, and only translated in Chinese by a different guy. How niche is this poo poo. ughhhh posted:The audience is the small numbers of anarchists and communists groups in the US. i'm sure all their legions of completely not made up chinese worker comrades are all there just out of frame, doing a permanent revolution too
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Jul 18, 2023 11:40
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stephenthinkpad posted:So like, having an unique, artisanal, fancy pant style of hating China instead of the run-of-the-mill Costco $9.95 for a 3-pack generic China hating opinion? lol. that's a perfect way to put it
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Jul 18, 2023 11:48
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R. Mute posted:this is one of my favourite anarchist bits. pick a local action, declare it worker self organisation and use it as a cudgel against the state and a victory for anarchism. is it a viable alternative to whatever policies the state enacted? no. does it scale whatsoever? no. will it be used to avoid thinking about what a large scale solution to these problems would be? yes, absolutely. Anarchists are idealists. They're just slightly left of trad libs.
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Jul 18, 2023 11:55
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“My name is Alexander Hamilton, I’m here to say/ Don’t talk about how I owned slaves”
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Jul 18, 2023 11:58
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https://twitter.com/ZichenWanghere/status/1681243820141457408?t=nF1eaLUv0GzTJgq-i3_i-Q&s=19
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Jul 18, 2023 12:26
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Kissinger swapped his mind to a younger cloned body after the 100yo gala and got on working. Reapect. Interestingly he met with the defense minister, not someone in higher poliburo position but retired.
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Jul 18, 2023 12:30
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Some Guy TT posted:do lots of indian people read jacobin no, but western leftist doomers do.
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Jul 18, 2023 13:06
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Kissinger auditioning for Qin Gang's spot always hustlin'
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