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Lammasu posted:I don't get how Trump maintains his tough guy image when he's really a whiney bitch. Absolutely nobody cares about whether his lawyers' filings are "whiney", except for people who already deeply hate Trump enough to spend their free time following the court filings in his case. I don't have data to back this up, but I'm quite sure that nobody on this entire planet is going "oh man, I thought Trump was a big tough guy, but his legal tactics show he's just a big whiner".
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I think there are actually a lot of rational people that if they could be talked down from knee jerk reactions who if they actually read Trumps motion and the courts response could reach the conclusion that Trump is actually deeply reprehensible because his methods are grossly destructive and fundamentally dishonest. The precedent that would have been set here with even a partial success would have be deeply damaging to the last shreds of rule of law but so many people just can’t, or won’t, look past the culture war to think objectively. They’ve picked their side and they are going through with it no matter how lovely it gets.
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Jul 18, 2023 04:30
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Main Paineframe posted:Absolutely nobody cares about whether his lawyers' filings are "whiney", except for people who already deeply hate Trump enough to spend their free time following the court filings in his case. I don't have data to back this up, but I'm quite sure that nobody on this entire planet is going "oh man, I thought Trump was a big tough guy, but his legal tactics show he's just a big whiner". It helps if you can't actually comprehend the legal brief and get all your info from Fox News, a-la: Trump tried to appeal, but the appeals court wouldn't even hear it! They said go back to your current judge, but that's not how appeals work, they go from lower court to upper! These Biden socialists are reversing how the courts work and sending Trump from higher court to lower! This poo poo is all a scam and a rigged system!
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Jul 18, 2023 04:31
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Can’t the state have him declared a vexatious litigant or something?
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Jul 18, 2023 08:20
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Lammasu posted:I don't get how Trump maintains his tough guy image when he's really a whiney bitch. They see him as "fighting back" and "not taking poo poo from the system" instead of just hiding and ducking through a never ending stream of legal subterfuge. Same with the stupid nicknames. To them, he's telling it like it is and standing up to his opponents. Being offensive and insulting is a pretty common trait of most conservatives and if they're not pissing someone off then they're doing it wrong. "Telling it like it is" essentially boils down to "how many people have I offended?"
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Jul 18, 2023 11:19
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I saw this quote in the NYTimes the other day to give a sense of how detached from reality people are.quote:President Trump has been accused time and again and went to court and won every case, and so I’m under the assumption that in this case, when President Trump said he had a right to challenge Pence on his decision, it was his lawyers that told him that — the same lawyers who had come out on top before. But if I am right or I am wrong is not important. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/14/us/politics/pence-iowa-jan-6.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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Jul 18, 2023 11:53
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Oh no, how did this happen? https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/1681247117602332673 "Among the antiquities are ancient ceramic oil lamps which are part of Israel's national treasures collection. They were sent to the U.S. in 2019 with the approval of then-Director of the Israeli Antiquities Authority, Israel Hasson, on the condition that they be returned within weeks, yet almost four years later, they have yet to be returned." "According to sources in Israel and abroad, Fox was invited in 2019 to a Hanukkah candle-lighting event at the White House. Ancient oil lamps were sent from Israel for the event, intended to be displayed briefly in Washington, and then returned to Israel. The oil lamps were eventually not displayed in the White House, due to a bureaucratic difficulty raised by the Americans. But according to Israeli sources who dealt with the matter, instead of being returned to Israel, they got “stuck” in the United States." "Several months ago, Israeli authorities learned that the antiquities eventually ended up at former U.S. President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, where they still remain. Current Director of the Antiquities Authority Eli Eskozido has contacted the Israeli Foreign Affairs Ministry, Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer, and former U.S. Ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, asking them to aid in returning the items, thus far without success. It is unclear whether Trump himself is aware that the items are on the premises of his estate."
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Jul 18, 2023 13:24
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Trumps ingenious I/P solution - create a new Jerusalem in southern Florida
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Jul 18, 2023 13:27
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Failed Imagineer posted:Trumps ingenious I/P solution - create a new Jerusalem in southern Florida Mar-a-Lago being the locus of the coming Kingdom of God would be quite unexpected
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Jul 18, 2023 13:35
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Eh, maybe Jesus would return on a fiery chariot drawn forth by biblical angels, so the place he returns becomes a smoldering crater. Then I would LOVE for Mar-A-Lago to be ground zero for his return. I don't think there's been anyone that was more "Anti" Christ.
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Jul 18, 2023 13:38
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OgNar posted:Oh no, how did this happen? How about we just send in the FBI and confiscate them?
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Jul 18, 2023 13:39
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Randalor posted:Eh, maybe Jesus would return on a fiery chariot drawn forth by biblical angels, so the place he returns becomes a smoldering crater. Then I would LOVE for Mar-A-Lago to be ground zero for his return. I don't think there's been anyone that was more "Anti" Christ. I think some kind of big WrestleMania with the Antichrist is all part of Christian eschatology anyway so it all tracks
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Jul 18, 2023 14:08
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Just over here remembering when Trump made peace in the middle east by sending his fail son to Art Of The Deal it all up, and solved all the problems in like 48 hours by just saying "Yeah Israel gets whatever it wants, they win, problem solved. See? That was easy."
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Jul 18, 2023 14:09
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Murgos posted:I think there are actually a lot of rational people that if they could be talked down from knee jerk reactions who if they actually read Trumps motion and the courts response Gonna stop you here, because most rational people aren't going to do that. Reading legal filings isn't most people's idea of a good time. snorch posted:Can’t the state have him declared a vexatious litigant or something? Typically, it takes a lot of bullshit to get declared a vexatious litigant, because access to the legal system is very important for very obvious reasons and judges don't want to cut people off from it if they can help it. For Trump, who has actual serious real-deal legal troubles aplenty, there is absolutely no way in hell they're going to give him the boot over a few long-shot hail-mary filings.
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Jul 18, 2023 14:30
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Trump TROOFED that he got a target letter from the Jan 6 grand jury.
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Jul 18, 2023 14:38
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Fifteen of Many posted:Trump TROOFED that he got a target letter from the Jan 6 grand jury. Happy indictment eve to those who celebrate. This would be the federal grand jury, but that still leaves Georgia this month or next, right?
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Jul 18, 2023 14:51
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Caros posted:Happy indictment eve to those who celebrate. Yes, which is almost certainly going to be voted on for a 4th concurrent indictment.
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Jul 18, 2023 14:55
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I mean we've always known who Trump is, but still absolutely astounding that a former United States president will be under simultaneous indictments for espionage and (likely) either seditious conspiracy/insurrection.
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Jul 18, 2023 14:56
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OgNar posted:Oh no, how did this happen?
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Jul 18, 2023 15:00
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Every time this old gently caress drops these big angry boomer tantrum sessions about the law victimizing him and how he gon stand tall against it with super alpha male energy I just remember that when he was in court having his lawyer enter his plea, jack smith was thoroughly analyzing him laser eyes style, just completely staring him down, and trump was completely cowed out of eye contact it's 100 percent that poo poo like where he can never fire someone in person. If he doesn't get a free walk compliments of a pocket judge or whatever and actually gets sentenced for this, it's going to be weird watching future history textbooks try to academically and appropriately word the description for "former president was legally bitchmade"
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Jul 18, 2023 15:01
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Stuff missing at Mar-a-lago? Just ask to go to the bathroom and sneak them out in your jacket.
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Jul 18, 2023 15:12
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Here is a copy of that super long and whiny Trump post. Says he has 4 days from Sunday to report to GJ. https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1681299909268631552
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Jul 18, 2023 15:31
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What does it mean for a target to report to the GJ? That didn’t happen in the MAL case.
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Jul 18, 2023 15:35
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gregday posted:What does it mean for a target to report to the GJ? That didn’t happen in the MAL case. Show up or get arrested in a sane world.
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Jul 18, 2023 15:46
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gregday posted:What does it mean for a target to report to the GJ? That didn’t happen in the MAL case. Probably nothing of any particular significance, because we're hearing it from Trump and not from anyone who has any knowledge at all about these processes. It's possible that they could be requesting for him to testify, which is a thing that can happen. Again, though, Trump is a notoriously unreliable source and not informed on the details of the legal process. It could just mean they asked for a written acknowledgement.
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Jul 18, 2023 15:54
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Main Paineframe posted:Probably nothing of any particular significance, because we're hearing it from Trump and not from anyone who has any knowledge at all about these processes. They would not be asking him to testify to a grand jury. The defendant and defense counsel aren't even at the grand jury hearing most of the time. There are rare cases where a defendant will testify at the grand jury, but the defendant has to specifically assert that right. It's not something a prosecutor would ever ask in a standard proceeding. It would be extremely unusual if that were the case (although, I guess everything about the case is unusual).
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Jul 18, 2023 15:56
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It could be a courtesy thing like, here’s your chance to defend yourself before we charge you. In any case, this will be tried in DC where he’s not going to get a friendly judge or jury.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:02
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Well, according to Trump, he was asked to come testify in his defense at the grand jury. If accurate, they are giving him a lot of courtesy that is generally not afforded to other people with these kinds of charges. It's also a little strange that Jack Smith is running multiple investigations into him, but only just now offered to let him testify in his defense at a grand jury hearing. He didn't have any contact in the other investigations. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati..._source=twitter
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Jul 18, 2023 16:03
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Is requesting his testimony something a grand jury could ask for?
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Jul 18, 2023 16:10
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gregday posted:Is requesting his testimony something a grand jury could ask for? They can technically ask him, but they can't compel him to testify. Bringing the accused before the grand jury can also cause major procedural problems for the prosecution and is not something most DAs want to risk for no reason. It is pretty unusual and the federal grand jury guidelines even gives a bunch of warnings that it is technically legal, but heavily discouraged. quote:If the grand jury attempts to force the accused to testify, an indictment returned against that person may be nullified. Then again, a federal criminal investigation against a former President for possibly being involved in an insurrection that has never happened before in modern history is also a very unusual situation. So, unusual things probably shouldn't be that surprising.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:23
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In state court defendants rarely even get to know that the grand jury is considering their case.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:26
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's also a little strange that Jack Smith is running multiple investigations into him, but only just now offered to let him testify in his defense at a grand jury hearing. He didn't have any contact in the other investigations. no, he was sent a target letter in the mar-a-lago documents case. i don't think it's public but i wouldn't be surprised if that letter looked pretty much the same as this one
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Jul 18, 2023 16:27
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eke out posted:no, he was sent a target letter in the mar-a-lago documents case. He didn't have any contact with the grand jury in that case.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:28
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He didn't have any contact with the grand jury in that case. he did not voluntarily testify because even trump is not that dumb do you have any reason to believe the letter in that case did not offer him the same 'opportunity' to quote politico from June quote:The recent moves have signaled that Smith’s probe was nearing a likely charging decision, which now appears days, if not hours, away. The letter to Trump is yet another indication. The Justice Department manual provides that prosecutors may send a “target letter” to those who are likely to be charged in connection with a grand jury probe, giving them an opportunity to testify before an indictment comes down. eke out fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Jul 18, 2023 16:29
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eke out posted:he did not voluntarily testify because even trump is not that dumb It was never reported that it did, was it? Edit: eke out posted:to quote politico from June Right, that is a quote from the DOJ manual saying it can happen. Was there any reporting that he was invited? There might have been, but I don't remember.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:33
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Right, that is a quote from the DOJ manual saying it can happen. Was there any reporting that he was invited? There might have been, but I don't remember. you posted that it's strange and extremely unusual and a huge risk it's literally in the DOJ manual as a normal thing to do when you send target letters. it's a routine "hey we're about to indict you but technically you are welcome to come in and tell us why we should not" invitation that basically no one accepts
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Jul 18, 2023 16:37
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The distinction here is coming in to speak to the DOJ bs coming in to speak to the grand jury.
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Jul 18, 2023 16:38
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The thing is, Trump lies like a newborn nurses. All we really know is that Trump had some contact with the prosecution that made him mad.
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eke out posted:you posted that it's strange and extremely unusual and a huge risk It is strange and unusual. It basically never happens in 99.5% of cases. The defendant usually isn't even aware that a grand jury empaneling has happened until right before the indictment. The same federal guidelines also say that grand juries need to consult with the DA and court before even asking. It is definitely not a routine thing for normal prelims or indictments.
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looked it up https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-11000-grand-jury posted:9-11.153 - NOTIFICATION OF TARGETS when the target is (1) not called to testify, and (2) hasn't asked to testify, you are still (3) "encouraged" to tell them they have a right to come in and testify if they want to (and you have to give them a bunch of warnings about the many reasons this may be a bad idea, detailed further elsewhere)
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