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Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
https://twitter.com/KartoonistKelly/status/1681051217294663683

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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

https://twitter.com/JalbyMD/status/1681079337825751041

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Timby posted:

I think the core thing here is that everyone played follow-the-leader in chasing Netflix in the content-spending arms race, but when you spend $20 million an episode on House of the Dragon or $15 million an episode of The Mandalorian, you aren't going to generate nearly enough revenue from new subscriptions to offset those expenses.

Yeah the smart thing would have been to leave it to Netflix with 1 or 2 major competitors to keep things interesting, but a frequent side-effect of modern capitalism is entire industries marching off a cliff because the first guy who jumped must have been on to something

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Awful convenient that they happened to get to these trees right now.

ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.

Gaz-L posted:

Awful convenient that they happened to get to these trees right now.

Look, I'm 100% on the WGA/SAG-AFTRA side but this strikes me as a Hanlon's razor situation.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮

Thank you, Kelly.

xeria
Jul 26, 2004

Ruh roh...

DarklyDreaming posted:

Yeah the smart thing would have been to leave it to Netflix with 1 or 2 major competitors to keep things interesting, but a frequent side-effect of modern capitalism is entire industries marching off a cliff because the first guy who jumped must have been on to something

A shift back to that model is probably the only semi-realistic thing that'd save ad-free streaming as a concept, but it'd probably take most of the studio-specific streamers closing up shop first to nudge the needle back toward "license out to 'neutral' platform(s)".

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




https://twitter.com/chandra7thomas/status/1681137410892255233?s=46&t=8qKeRz1MPwpnqaU9WYBJgg

And a link to the entire chart: https://www.sagaftra.org/files/sa_documents/SAG-AFTRA_Negotiations_Status_7_13_23.pdf

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Man, twitter is such poo poo. It shouldn't be this hard to rescale a picture to make it fit.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Sounds like the studios have decided on the bold strategy of "nuh-huh". If the two sides are this far apart, it feels like this strike might go a while.

https://twitter.com/SentaMMoses/status/1681127057701617664

And the pictures for those who don't want to go to Twitter:










Rollie Fingers
Jul 28, 2002

Narcissus1916 posted:

The other ticking time bomb is that most people under age 30 don't watch TV much at all.

You can change that to "most people under 40 don't watch much TV at all".

In the UK the average age of a BBC One viewer is now over 60. I personally don't know any one among my friends, family and colleagues who's under 40 and watches TV regularly.

The younger sports fans stream legally or use IPTV, so they don't need a TV for live sports either.

Tibeerius
Feb 22, 2007
"SAG-AFTRA has proposed replacing deceased arbitrators with living ones."

:laffo:

Why on god's green earth does replacing dead people have to be collectively bargained? Just let whoever originally appointed them pick a replacement!

Tibeerius fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jul 18, 2023

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
OK, I think it's time to seriously consider the Perlman approach.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Mister Speaker posted:

OK, I think it's time to seriously consider the Perlman approach.

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends with a couple of mid-to-high level Hollywood executives visiting The Cool Zone after a while.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
Has ANYONE spoke in support of the AMPTP that's not a studio executive? I remember during the last strike that even guys like Mike Huckabee showed support for the writers.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse

Mister Speaker posted:

OK, I think it's time to seriously consider the Perlman approach.

You genuinely can't negotiate with their positions. You can't. Perlman's got the right idea

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Edward Mass posted:

Has ANYONE spoke in support of the AMPTP that's not a studio executive? I remember during the last strike that even guys like Mike Huckabee showed support for the writers.
Not that I’ve heard

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Universal has fessed up, it was them.

https://deadline.com/2023/07/universal-pruned-ficus-trees-wga-picket-line-barham-boulevard-1235440896/

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

Edward Mass posted:

Has ANYONE spoke in support of the AMPTP that's not a studio executive? I remember during the last strike that even guys like Mike Huckabee showed support for the writers.

I ill-advisably read the comments of an article about the strike on Deadline or somewhere like that, which is never a good idea, and there were a few people who were against the strike on the basis of just wanting to get back to work ASAP, which is short-sighted and wrong obviously, but even those takes, wrong-headed as they are, aren't quite in support of AMPTP so much as them throwing up their hands and saying, this sucks but better things aren't possible.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

This sounds silly but poo poo like the tree pruning matters. I've organized my fair share of demonstrations and sit-ins; its incredible how astonishingly petty it can get.

We once had the cops called on us because a member of congress got their shoes scuffed by grass. We ran into local city ordinances that dictated how much of the sidewalk you can legally block and it literally came down to centimeters - we ended up giving our captains measuring tape to check.

City Council also tried to kick us out of the downtown area and told us we could exercise our right to protest by.... only being able to gather at an empty field miles away. We luckily had civil rights orgs swoop in and scare the poo poo out of them. Even ginned up some bad press that pissed off the Chamber of Commerce.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Narcissus1916 posted:

City Council also tried to kick us out of the downtown area and told us we could exercise our right to protest by.... only being able to gather at an empty field miles away.

Free Speech Zone was always the shittiest Sonic 3 level

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light
Some things never change:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjK24lFYbhE

January 2, 2008

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

A podcast I listen to is on a network that seems to be a good arrangement with the show, and I believe the show makes the bulk of their money off of Patreon. They had a guest who used to have a show on the network before going Patreon only, and he said it was because the network refused to share listening numbers? Wonder if that’s standard practice for podcast networks.

Similar to growing up in a dull church where disclosing budget numbers was a yearly routine. Later attended a megachurch where I casually asked a buddy on the finance team what the pastor made, and was surprised to be stonewalled. Turned out after it imploded it had been seven figures & six for his wife.

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009
Yeah, not sure about the network but I Heart Radio got caught bumping their numbers.

https://gizmodo.com/podcasts-iheart-downloads-adware-auto-download-1849586288

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
Update on Universal’s tree trimmings:

TREE LAW

https://twitter.com/lacontroller/status/1681456457936687104?s=20

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Openly vandalizing public property and potentially facing massive fines to own the libs

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



DarklyDreaming posted:

Openly vandalizing public property and potentially facing massive fines to own the libs

Sadly a code enforcement citation doesn’t sound as bad as the full weight of tree law

https://twitter.com/lacontroller/status/1681456466732130304?s=46&t=oql5ML5-7u4J72W8bn7HAw

I hope I’m wrong

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1681563668339720193?s=20

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
In case anyone is wondering, no, pro wrestling has no unions.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Because Hulk Hogan ratted out Jesse Ventura when he was forming one in the 80s wrestling boom.

Hogan is a fuckin' prick.

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer

Edward Mass posted:

In case anyone is wondering, no, pro wrestling has no unions.

Behind the Bastards has like a five part series on Vince McMahon which I highly reccomend.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Edward Mass posted:

In case anyone is wondering, no, pro wrestling has no unions.

Vince is a long and proud unionbuster, so it's not surprising.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
They also don't consider wrestlers employees, but independent contractors instead. Allowing to skirt all sorts of labor regulations.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮

nine-gear crow posted:

Vince is a long and proud unionbuster, so it's not surprising.

It's not just Vince McMahon, and I'm pretty sure it's not uniquely American.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

They also don't consider wrestlers employees, but independent contractors instead. Allowing to skirt all sorts of labor regulations.
And if you know anything about how the industry works, they have literally nothing at all in common with actual independent contractors.

They're locked into exclusive contracts, can't take work out of their industry without WWE taking a cut (including loving Twitch streaming,) are told how to dress when off the clock, can't take breaks or vacations, often even when injured, they have no-compete clauses in their contracts so they can't go work for competitors for a while after they get shitcanned...

It's a poo poo loving industry that needs to unionize forty years ago.

Edit: They pay all of their own travel expenses including flights and hotels, they rent their own cars, they're punished if they fly first class, and if you don't follow weird obtuse social rituals nobody tells them about like introducing yourself to literally everybody and shaking their hand at their first show (but like, limply. A firm handshake is not okay in wrestling at all,) and eating too much in catering is frowned upon if you're only in for one or two shows... jesus, we could be here all day.

LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Jul 20, 2023

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Yes and now they are going to be under the same umbrella as the UFC, another group run by a notorious union buster

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
I'm always up for saying gently caress Hulk Hogan and now I have another reason to do so.

Anyway, something that's relevant to my interests.

https://twitter.com/Collider/status/1681711775350226944?s=20


And more good news!

https://twitter.com/THR/status/1681814371498958849?s=20

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



One weird trick- David Zaslav hates it!

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Happy Landfill posted:

I'm always up for saying gently caress Hulk Hogan and now I have another reason to do so.

Anyway, something that's relevant to my interests.

https://twitter.com/Collider/status/1681711775350226944?s=20


And more good news!

https://twitter.com/THR/status/1681814371498958849?s=20

Solidarity forever, for the union makes us strong.

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Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
https://twitter.com/Massawyrm/status/1681823044061347840

feel like the execs aren’t going to give an inch. the business climate is in their favor

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