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The most successful 3rd party in America. https://twitter.com/LPNH/status/1677840648857157632
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I wonder what Jo Jorgensen is up to these days. Remember when she said that black lives matter, then clarified that she said it in lower case and wasn't supporting the organization Black Lives Matter, and a bunch of libertarians still disowned her.
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Jul 11, 2023 04:25
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VitalSigns posted:I wonder what Jo Jorgensen is up to these days. WHich is hilarious when you think about it, they are against government with too much power. But we finally found out that government power meant treating back people with dignity.
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Jul 11, 2023 22:31
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The people who invented libertarianism were very clear that their purpose was to undo the social safety net and civil rights laws, but the people who came after bought into the nonsensical justifications used for that purpose, and now most of the originals are dead.
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Jul 11, 2023 22:42
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I AM GRANDO posted:Wait, is she not pro-slavery? What kind of libertarian is she? Libertarians don't call it slavery, they call it contract work. Because slavery implies responsibility for housing/feeding/maintaining your victims, as opposed to just grinding the work out of them via unfair contract terms and replacing them at no cost when they die.
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Jul 11, 2023 23:20
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Jul 12, 2023 00:07
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I watched that Rand Paul clip and then watched his entire statement to make sure I wasn't missing any context. He expands that his big problem is he hates anti-trust laws and exemptions because it is the government effectively regulating how the industry works, but his weird complaint about NCAA players being paid is completely unrelated to his primary issue and is totally out of left field. If anything, removing the anti-trust rules and exemptions would incentivize more pay for athletes. He goes on to elaborate that he will enjoy watching college basketball less if he knows the athletes are getting paid. It's really weird that he outlines the (semi-legitimate) complaints about anti-trust law and a web of exemptions governing how the sport should be played instead of letting the people playing the sport set the rules and then his conclusion is that the main problem with college sports is paying athletes. How is having college athletes spending too much money on cars bad when NFL players doing it is fine?
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Jul 12, 2023 02:51
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I think there's an idea some people have that college sports is somehow "purer" than professionals because the athletes are doing it for the love of the game rather than for a paycheck. Which may have been true in some bygone era, but definitely not now that a multi-billion dollar industry has grown out of exploiting them.
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Jul 12, 2023 06:42
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That and they just literally can't have a conversation without having to be racist and/or rant about how much they hate young people.
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Jul 12, 2023 07:03
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Besides, don't his acolytes constantly make the same argument about politicians? That they shouldn't be financially compensated because it compromises the integrity of their office or whatever? Surely Rand Paul is too noble to take a paycheck since "taxation is theft" right?
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Jul 12, 2023 11:13
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That and they just literally can't have a conversation without having to be racist and/or rant about how much they hate young people. Well yah ultimately this is about mostly black men and women getting paid and not being exploited and he is a libertarian.
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Jul 12, 2023 11:45
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Fister Roboto posted:I think there's an idea some people have that college sports is somehow "purer" than professionals because the athletes are doing it for the love of the game rather than for a paycheck. Which may have been true in some bygone era, but definitely not now that a multi-billion dollar industry has grown out of exploiting them. Also, the way the current system is set up, the only reason most college basketball/football players are even doing it is because college play is their route to the pro leagues and paychecks. The NCAA is basically the NFL and NBA's farm team system.
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Jul 12, 2023 16:42
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Fighting Trousers posted:Also, the way the current system is set up, the only reason most college basketball/football players are even doing it is because college play is their route to the pro leagues and paychecks. The NCAA is basically the NFL and NBA's farm team system. And I'd guess the second most common reason is that getting a sports scholarship is the only way many of them would have ever been able to afford and/or get admitted to university. Making them play for free probably makes them "earn" their degree in these people's eyes.
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Jul 12, 2023 19:42
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See also how the Supreme Court banned affirmative action with an explicit exception for the military. The point is minorities are supposed to have to throw themselves into the system likely to destroy their bodies for a chance at elevation.
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Jul 12, 2023 22:48
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Fighting Trousers posted:Also, the way the current system is set up, the only reason most college basketball/football players are even doing it is because college play is their route to the pro leagues and paychecks. The NCAA is basically the NFL and NBA's farm team system.
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Jul 13, 2023 16:46
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I just read a Libertarian Walks into a Bear and I thought it was a pretty good encapsulation of what Libertarians are like, right down to having other towns having to bail them out of a fire.
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Jul 13, 2023 22:33
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Yikesaroo.
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Jul 19, 2023 18:35
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Looks like brain damage preventing empathy or logical reasoning
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Jul 19, 2023 19:41
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Can't imagine a country where they force people to do menial labour against their will.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:43
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Professor Shark posted:Looks like brain damage preventing empathy or logical reasoning getting slapped around by a bear will do that to you. EDIT: I don't know why I looked at the account just now and of course they have not only doubled down, but probably sesquicentupled down at this point. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Jul 19, 2023 19:56
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New Hampshire libertarians are, somehow, much worse than other libertarians, and that was before the mises fascists took the party over. And not just because of the bears, that's incidental.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:57
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Captain_Maclaine posted:New Hampshire libertarians are, somehow, much worse than other libertarians, and that was before the mises fascists took the party over. And not just because of the bears, that's incidental. They're absolutely useless, they can't even get weed legalized in their state. Uptight Massachusetts figured this poo poo out before they did. EDIT: NH is literally the only New England state that doesn't have fully legalized Marijuana. Absolute embarrassment. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Jul 19, 2023 19:59
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yikesaroo. This is why I was confused by that lady who said she was anti-slavery. Is that account run by a college republican or something? Does the crying nazi still live in NH?
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Jul 19, 2023 20:00
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yikesaroo. what the gently caress
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Jul 19, 2023 20:03
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Scotland made prescriptions free in 2011 and everyone has been enslaved since. No wait, reduction in hospital admissions for conditions related to medications for which there had been a fee (e.g. asthma or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) paid for the whole thing. Which is easily confused. Very similar outcomes if your brain is made of porridge.
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Jul 19, 2023 20:04
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This is a real lovely comparison to use but it's completely in line with the general libertarian claim that merely paying a reasonable price for a product or service for the social good is the exact same as enslaving the providers of those products and services. I mean, that's not exactly how they'd phrase it, they normally phrase it in a way that's harder for people to contest easily while they prepare the next canter in their Gish gallop, but the point is... present. Much more naked than usual, but present.
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Jul 19, 2023 20:08
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That or there's infinite demand for a free good. Everyone in Scotland is dead now, they injected all the insulin.
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Jul 19, 2023 20:12
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I'm sure that it was somewhere back in this thread that someone posted a libertarian saying that nationalised/single payer healthcare was literally the same as slavery because it was 'forcing doctors to treat people for free.' As if, as bad as the NHS has gotten, they don't pay the doctors anything just because the care they provide is also free at point of service. Just like, apparently, there's no way that a government (ah...there's the problem) could use its funds (problem #2) to pay people (or a corporation) to make insulin which was then distributed free of charge to those that needed it. Nope - the only way this can possibly happen is to use slave labour in the insulin plantations.
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Jul 19, 2023 20:39
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But that money must come from taxation, which is slavery, unlike actual slavery, which is sound economics.
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Jul 19, 2023 20:42
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BalloonFish posted:I'm sure that it was somewhere back in this thread that someone posted a libertarian saying that nationalised/single payer healthcare was literally the same as slavery because it was 'forcing doctors to treat people for free.' Rand Paul has said this exact thing, if I remember right.
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Jul 19, 2023 20:46
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OwlFancier posted:But that money must come from taxation, which is slavery, unlike actual slavery, which is sound economics. No no you see I can be contracted to work for 0 dollars and 00 cents. Contracts as we all know, are the only legitimate function of a government unless the contract is against me than it's bullshit.
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Jul 19, 2023 20:50
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It does feel sometimes like a lot of libertarianism is grappling with the problem that you are brought into existence without anybody asking you whether you wanted to be, and then by the time you're capable of asking and answering that question, you've been saddled with a bunch of implicit and explicit obligations as a function of living in a society. And rather than think about this in terms of "well what can we do to spread that burden around so nobody has to carry very much of it" and "how can we ensure that the world is pleasant enough that as many people as possible will see their creation as a good thing" they instead construct some insane, hell outlook where nobody is obligated to do anything whatsoever, gently caress you, gently caress everyone else, gently caress society, gently caress the universe. We're all here without asking to be and unfortunately that does mean you have to fit in with other people to some extent, even if you don't want to. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Jul 19, 2023 20:54
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That and because they've been given an outlook that can only think in terms of the market, they end up with a child's object impermanence when it comes to money. Money exists when I come into possession of it, and stops existing when I stop possessing it. The idea of some communal means of achieving a better outcome without the need to spend money sounds like hippie bullshit, and the idea of some communal means of achieving a better outcome that might make you more money sounds like a scam, therefore the idea that money might function as an internal lubricant within society that can do good things must also be a lie, because otherwise a private company would be doing that more efficiently.
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Jul 19, 2023 21:02
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Water is valuable, therefore the ideal situation is me owning the ocean and finding some way to put a stop to the water cycle. Evaporation is theft! Rainfall is socialism!
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Jul 19, 2023 21:34
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OwlFancier posted:Water is valuable, therefore the ideal situation is me owning the ocean and finding some way to put a stop to the water cycle. Evaporation is theft! Rainfall is socialism! Listen, I own this parcel of land of clean water, don't ask me how I got the money, or get possession of the land, or tell me about how "water is necessary to live." If we can put a price on it, it's moral and just to let the free market decide what the cost of living is.
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Jul 19, 2023 21:50
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OwlFancier posted:It does feel sometimes like a lot of libertarianism is grappling with the problem that you are brought into existence without anybody asking you whether you wanted to be, and then by the time you're capable of asking and answering that question, you've been saddled with a bunch of implicit and explicit obligations as a function of living in a society. I wouldn't say it's grappling with the problem as much as it is completely ignoring it while being punched in the face repeatedly by it. Like the supposed resolution to most of the contradictions of the ideology is just "well you should have been born rich".
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Mooseontheloose posted:Listen, I own this parcel of land of clean water, don't ask me how I got the money, or get possession of the land, or tell me about how "water is necessary to live." If we can put a price on it, it's moral and just to let the free market decide what the cost of living is. Andrew Ryan posted:On the surface, I once bought a forest. The Parasites claimed that the land belonged to God, and demanded that I establish a public park there. Why? So the rabble could stand slack-jawed under the canopy and pretend that it was paradise earned. When Congress moved to nationalize my forest, I burnt it to the ground. God did not plant the seeds of this Arcadia; I did. 16 years later and reality outpaces fiction.
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Slavery is the deductions on my first paycheque when I was 16
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Fister Roboto posted:I wouldn't say it's grappling with the problem as much as it is completely ignoring it while being punched in the face repeatedly by it. Like the supposed resolution to most of the contradictions of the ideology is just "well you should have been born rich". Well yes, it's grappling with the problem and rolling snake eyes on your grapple check  Like there is no good resolution to that problem but the libertarian one gets hung up on that and just screams and spits and pisses all over itself trying to make a conceptual resolution that clearly does not work in real life. Angry_Ed posted:16 years later and reality outpaces fiction. I mean that's technically just a rehashing of whatshisface who dynamites his own building in... the fountainhead is it? I forget which rand book it is.
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Angry_Ed posted:16 years later and reality outpaces fiction. Also in keeping with libertarian delusions, Ryan didn't plant the seeds of Arcadia; the actual work was done by Julia Langford and her staff.
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