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KakerMix posted:https://twitter.com/i/status/1681352904152850437 I...do not like some of their intentions. Making 'living' ai and making them live reality TV shows? Am I understanding that right? Or do they mean like the sims level of 'living'?
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KakerMix posted:https://twitter.com/i/status/1681352904152850437 As a proof of concept, it's interesting (and terrifying) enough. To me, this stretches the definition of 'entertainment' as it stands currently. Ultimately, I think it has the same issue at its core that a lot of these infinite Seinfeld, How Its Made, DBZ, and AI Jesus type streams popping up on twitch have: the writing is stiff and unnatural, and the amusement factor comes from the AI screwing up or coming up with something bizarre to spout off. Give it another year and AI script generation will probably improve on how natural the dialogue it generates will feel, right now it just doesn't seem to be quite up to par. I can't really imagine anyone relying on AI for more than outlining / proofreading and editing tasks with what's publicly available right now. It feels kind of like anyone using these tools for creative tasks on their own without supplementing the AI with related skills (programming, audio mixing, digital image / video editing, and general writing ability) isn't quite understanding what AI is truly useful for at the moment or is vastly overestimating what the tools are capable of on their own. I'd say that AI tools get you like ~75% of the way to a finished product (which is an incredible achievement), but they still mess up enough that you need human skill involved, be that script editing and/or audio mixing for flow for dialogue, image editing to fix hallucinations (too many fingers, bad text, etc), or troubleshooting code to get it the rest of the way to the end goal, whatever that may be for your project. I'm kind of glad that's the case, even with how unbelievable and useful the progress made on AI generative works has been in the past year or two. I can't say I look forward to the day that AI is capable of fully creating art that removes the human creativity factor entirely. Soulhunter fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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TheWorldsaStage posted:I...do not like some of their intentions. Making 'living' ai and making them live reality TV shows? Am I understanding that right? Or do they mean like the sims level of 'living'?  Their intentions are clearly to "write, animate, direct, voice, edit" a show for you with generative AI via a prompt. The tech is already here, shows typically have a quite predictive structure, people like the same sort of things they already like, it's inevitable. It's just merging a bunch of technologies already here into a single system. You can use the text LLMs to write episodes, you can use the image ones to make images and videos, you can use the voice ones to voice them, and while I'm not aware of an edit AI that can really just be fed back into a tuned text one and do it by that. I'm simplifying the reality of it but the structure is clear. The 'episode' is just a showcase of where the technology is right now, which is what I (and many others) have been claiming is going to be an end result to all this, prompt -> show or movie. South Park is probably easy because it objectively looks bad and is simply animated making it less apparent that there is almost no actual animation happening in the clip. I agree with you in that a human tweaking the outputs will yield the better results, but I know it in my heart of hearts that this tech will be pushed out in professional situations immediately. We already have advertising campaigns for stores and things with clearly AI images what with kids with 6 fingers, we already have Disney using it to generate show intros, we've even got lawyers using Chat GPT in real actual law things. No proof reading, no editing, nothing. Just shove it out there, who gives a gently caress. Actual artists can use this stuff and go to truly unique places, any studio or firm or whatever else that wants to make money will absolutely not take care with it and will pour out the slop without a care if they think they can get away with it. It will be bad, weird, incoherent, but they don't care otherwise they wouldn't already be making stupid mistakes like they have been. KakerMix fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Later down the twitter thread https://twitter.com/fablesimulation/status/1681352907785134080?t=ZuR4oYea-lveV6oUFC9lgQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/fablesimulation/status/1681352909131481089?t=mJlT2pbYeLXuhOGlfkTRVw&s=19
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TheWorldsaStage posted:Later down the twitter thread oh lol what the gently caress lmao, I don't twitter so I wouldn't be able to see any of that. Yeah, I'm with you that's a, uh, strange tact to adopt. The gently caress is it with people trying to make AIs anything more than what they are which is just another tool?
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KakerMix posted:No proof reading, no editing, nothing. Just shove it out there, who gives a gently caress. I take solace in the fact that companies using these tools right now are suffering for it, maybe it'll dissuade them in the short term from diving in fully. I know Disney used AI for the intro to Secret Invasion, and that looks pretty dated already. The show itself has been pretty weak (as most Marvel properties seem to be in the past few years...) and ratings are low as I understand the situation. Not sure the extent to which they've used AI behind the scenes there otherwise, but it might explain a bit of why it's been a pretty weak showing. Maybe the association with the AI-generated intro on its own is generating some distaste for the show. Anecdotally, people seem to have a pretty viscerally negative reaction to AI-generated anything. Can only hope that this negative response to AI in media will remain the trend and that people will continue to critically pan anything utilizing AI in egregious ways, because it just isn't up to task on its own currently, and it's important that creative jobs continue to be a thing. I don't doubt we'll start to see some low-bar-reality-tv-level AI-generated entertainment creeping into media in the future, especially in light of the ongoing strikes, hopefully it just stays in its own corner for people who want to pursue it instead of creeping into everything else. I can be hopeful, right? 
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Soulhunter posted:I take solace in the fact that companies are using these tools right now and suffering for it, maybe it'll dissuade them in the short term from diving in fully. I understand why people are doom and gloom about the AI stuff, really. I'm still convinced it will, inventiably, have a good effect on humanity because it's forcing everyone to confront a lot of ugly things people have been ignoring for a while. Income inequality, capitalism itself, power dynamics, union setups, labor, all that. People want things to go back to how they were before, even though it sucked huge rear end, because it was what they knew. It's different now, this tech exists and it will never, ever go away so they blame that instead of the real stuff, income, unions, etc. Going to bat for Disney indirectly because some guy won an art contest with MidJourney even though Disney is betting they can outlast the strikes and AI has a huge part of that. I think what these huge media companies are doing, jumping right into Ai to try to steal even more money, will be what really harms their grip. I've already talked about it in the thread before but imagine you have this tech, this south park thing. If you can type in a prompt and get a milquetoast and passable show out of it, with whatever you'd like, why would you pay Disney to get the same level of content since they do that already? The old ways are dead, and that includes the status quo and there is no reason it will stay as it was before.
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I appreciate the paper mentioning the slot machine effect. Reading it helped me realize why AI video drives me up the wall. With still images, I get 4 results in MJ right away, and I accept the randomness as part of the process since it's fun to be inspired by the random stuff and use it for design or story ideas. With video it takes longer, gives one result at a time, and there's no input during the process. I can't just tell the figure in the video "No, move this way, walk over here." AI video makes me feel helpless. It's been interesting to use AI video results to make little character bio things, but that's like making a documentary. I just want to film scenes from a script to tell a story.
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TheWorldsaStage posted:Later down the twitter thread I am in no way anti-AI, but this pisses me off. Did they ask Matt & Trey, or Comedy Central for permission to use the South Park IP? quote:The Project is not affiliated with, endorsed by, or connected in any way to the creators, producers, or copyright holders of "South Park," the Cast, or any related parties. All intellectual property rights, trademarks, and copyrights associated with "South Park" remain the exclusive property of their respective owners. No. I hope they get the gently caress sued out of them. There's literally no reason to use actual South Park other than hype. They could have made "North Field" with a paper animation style and it would have been fine, but they intentionally ripped off someone else's brand. AI developers are getting more and more cavalier about this and I want them to get slammed hard for it. If I wanted to demo my new video game engine that has nothing to do with AI and I used South Park IP, I would get rightly nailed for it. This is no different. I've been sticking up for developers, but the more it comes out that they are just grabbing everything they can regardless of if they have rights to it is putting a big ol' black eye on the technology. There's a reason why ethical teachers won't just photocopy copyrighted material - because it's infringement. I am not seeing the difference with these companies just scraping everything and training on it. (yeah, blah blah, museums, but there's a difference between public display and using pictures and text without permission to specifically to build a commercial or non-commercial product. yes, I am flipping on this mostly because of how egregious it is/was.) The Little Computer People / Sims aspect of the technology is pretty sweet, though. Good on them for that. Soapbox time: Regardless of copyright, and as impressive as it is that South Park episode is loving boring (insert South Park zing here). I believe that this generation of  AI will be incapable of making anything moving, emotional, funny, or even interesting for the same reason that formulaic or trick method human writing, isn't interesting or original. It relies solely on past work, and injects almost nothing of the creator's unique experiences and emotions. The bots have no emotions, and it's silly to expect them to make something emotional in turn. Do sociopaths write compelling fiction? I honestly don't know, but I doubt it. It seems to be that the human race's crowning achievement in artificial intelligence is nothing more than an enormous and intricate Mad Libs engine.Re: Video I'm not sure the technology will produce smooth animation the way it's done right now. I'm sure it can be done, but regenerating each still from scratch isn't going to produce that. Just like human animation, the program has to be able to take subjects, objects, and background from the initial image, and then change the images for movement or new details that are revealed only. It can generate new material when panning, or whatever, but you're always going to have that kind of Rotoscope effect by generating every frame every time. Maybe the technology is already doing that, but I haven't seen it. Content tax: Warhammer 40k Corn for the Corn God!         Colonels (sic) in the US Corned Forces        
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Doctor Zero posted:There's a reason why ethical teachers won't just photocopy copyrighted material - because it's infringement. Less with your larger point, but literally every professor I had in college a decade ago told us all to pirate our books and they passed out materials for people who didn't know how. Little community college in the south, but still a branch of the state school. I think it was more ethical the professors were heavily advising us not to get raped by the text book companies and doing what they could to avoid it, personally. Like I said, little to do with your larger point regarding AI but that part stood out to me. TheWorldsaStage fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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KinkyJohn posted:Hmmm I think it's time to clear out my SD image output folder. 52000+ images and windows Shell Infrastructure Host is taking up 20+ GB ram by having the folder open Just compress it to a zip file and shove it to a USB drive. You might not care too much about any single image but even recently I've had fun going back and looking at some of the images I AI generated even a 1-2 years ago. See what it was good at, what it was bad at. I remember things about the day I generated it and so on. It might be nice, I mean I purge absolute bullcrap trying to figure things out sets if I think of it but in the end who cares it's a small amount of storage space. It might be fun in 10 years to go through your folder and go oh yeah we did make grandmas knitting portals to Hell! That was weird. pixaal fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Doctor Zero posted:No. I hope they get the gently caress sued out of them. There's literally no reason to use actual South Park other than hype. They could have made "North Field" with a paper animation style and it would have been fine, but they intentionally ripped off someone else's brand. https://twitter.com/KojimaErgoSum/status/1681576008963751936 also matt and trey own deep voodoo which is all about AI and deepfake stuff. it's not like they're anti-AI. matt and trey actually tried to help out early PC modders to make south park stuff but Comedy Central sued the modders. helping a company make unauthorized south park stuff would not be out of character for them Roman fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Your point about emotions and experience and all that is a load of bunk, and I mean that in the way that even if you are 100% correct and right, objectively, it doesn't matter. People aren't unique or as subtle as we all want to believe. A person, sure, but the lowest common denominator, no. People like the same boring rear end stuff. Disney produces carbon copy super hero star wars slop to make money. Sharknado and cocaine bears aren't memed about for their artistic merit, it's a popularity contest. Entertainment IS a mad libs engine with AI or not. Executives that run for-profit entertainment companies are sociopaths without emotions otherwise they wouldn't crush unions or actors or vfx artists or writers or oh what's that there is an unprecedented strike right now? Oh. An artist will make emotional things like always, just like they use film and dark rooms and their hands and colored pencils, so too will they use any other new tool that comes about. Most of the time people want to be entertained and that's the lowest minimal line. Cruise youtube or tubi or Netflix or etc for what's popular and see for yourself. The human element is in there but it ain't required for popularity and hasn't for a good long while.
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KakerMix posted:I understand why people are doom and gloom about the AI stuff, really. I'm still convinced it will, inventiably, have a good effect on humanity because it's forcing everyone to confront a lot of ugly things people have been ignoring for a while. Income inequality, capitalism itself, power dynamics, union setups, labor, all that. People want things to go back to how they were before, even though it sucked huge rear end, because it was what they knew. It's different now, this tech exists and it will never, ever go away so they blame that instead of the real stuff, income, unions, etc. Going to bat for Disney indirectly because some guy won an art contest with MidJourney even though Disney is betting they can outlast the strikes and AI has a huge part of that. I think you kinda hit the nail on the head. If these tools can "democratize" creativity then why the hell do we need corporate monstrosities like Disney to create our entertainment for us? They barely have any original ideas left anyway.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I think you kinda hit the nail on the head. If these tools can "democratize" creativity then why the hell do we need corporate monstrosities like Disney to create our entertainment for us? They barely have any original ideas left anyway. Princess and the Frog was the last traditional animated Broadway Disney movie we got and it still kills me they stopped doing those.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:It's like the infinite monkey theorem, but it turns out AI is the monkey. The next challenge, after these tools become more capable of producing polished work, will be to create a system to actually separate the wheat from the chaff. That second part is easy! Just hire like 10,000 people and have them watch the videos and rate them! Surely they wont start developing a weird injoke sense of humor that only makes sense if you've watched all the bad ones that were never publicly released.
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pixaal posted:That second part is easy! Just hire like 10,000 people and have them watch the videos and rate them! Surely they wont start developing a weird injoke sense of humor that only makes sense if you've watched all the bad ones that were never publicly released. *me watching the latest Marvel movie without having seen any of the others or any of the shows on Disney+* Wait, who is that?
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TheWorldsaStage posted:Less with your larger point, but literally every professor I had in college a decade ago told us all to pirate our books and they passed out materials for people who didn't know how. Little community college in the south, but still a branch of the state school. I've had two professors who would only refer us to other works instead of copying them. Not textbooks, but regular books. One was an art professor, and I can't remember the others. I'm sure that 99.9% of professors don't give a poo poo of course. KakerMix posted:Your point about emotions and experience and all that is a load of bunk, and I mean that in the way that even if you are 100% correct and right, objectively, it doesn't matter. You're sort of making my point for me. I agree, none of that will matter to a lot of people, and that's very sad. And yes, artists will use AI to make awesome things, I also agree. I mean that I don't believe the technology use today is able to to make anything with impact other than "LOL look at what dumb thing it did." And that is because it has no concept of emotions or experiences. I'm not sure if a truly creative AI will need to experience emotions, but it will at least have to understand them in context, which Chat-GPT and the like are not currently capable of. Right now as it stands it generates 'horror' by imitating the 'average' horror story which will never produce anything brilliant, except by accident. Of course, that means we all have to sit back and watch actual creative people impacted by the race to maximize shareholder returns. Content: Movie exec explaining how AI is good for Hollywood  Movie exec watching the world burn 
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Doctor Zero posted:I've had two professors who would only refer us to other works instead of copying them. Not textbooks, but regular books. One was an art professor, and I can't remember the others. I'm sure that 99.9% of professors don't give a poo poo of course. And now the big LLM thing is tokens, oh boy TOKENS. Dump an .epub textbook into https://claude.ai/chats and ask it whatever you'd like and it will pull any and everything from the data you gave it. 100,000 token vs. the 8,000 or whatever for means it doesn't forget like other LLMs, not nearly as soon. This Claude one is the first one to clear such a high token limit but it certainly won't be the last. Practically you can have it run a single player RPG-type thing, even though it is really more of a collaborative fiction but it is fun. And with the token limit it just doesn't forget. Who was that person you met 20 days ago in universe? The thing knows, remembers, and keeps it in memory all the details and will use that to write new stuff with it. Or use it to write a book report. Whatever.
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Doctor Zero posted:There's literally no reason to use actual South Park other than hype. wrong! SP has an enormous amount of cookie cutter content to train AI on, the voices, the animations, the plotlines, whatever you want, there's 30 seasons of it. also at this point SP produces the show like a well oiled machine, I think the AI creators are signaling to shows like that "hey we have tools we know you want to use."
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Doctor Zero posted:I've had two professors who would only refer us to other works instead of copying them. Not textbooks, but regular books. One was an art professor, and I can't remember the others. I'm sure that 99.9% of professors don't give a poo poo of course. You seem to think, and maybe this is a soul/afterlife/something more debate outside of funny AI things, that there is a special human thing that you have to put into the creative process for it to be real. I'd argue that there is nothing special or greater or anything that AI can't do, there is no ~human element~ that can be baked into experiences be they music, movies, shows or novels that make it 'true'. The human element comes from experiencing the things be it alone as, or with a group of humans, that then needs context in with which you experience the art. Something made by AI isn't excluded from doing that because there is nothing to exclude. We don't have a social immune system that requires x amount of human participation in the creation of a memory because it's always 100% human since we are the ones that look/listen and feel this stuff. poo poo like Pareidolia cements this in my mind. We'll humanize anything. Take South Park. Everyone had that kid that thought their Cartman impression was perfect and would always do it and no, it hosed sucked and gently caress that shut the gently caress up Jeff  . That aspect, that cultural weight, that wasn't built into the show itself, it's a part of the reflective experience of, well, consuming that show. Or for me personally, Garbage 2.0, that album will always be tied to a specific summer where my friends and I got our licenses and were able to drive for the first time. It could have been any album, but it was that one.
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KakerMix posted:You seem to think, and maybe this is a soul/afterlife/something more debate outside of funny AI things, that there is a special human thing that you have to put into the creative process for it to be real. I'd argue that there is nothing special or greater or anything that AI can't do, there is no ~human element~ that can be baked into experiences be they music, movies, shows or novels that make it 'true'. The human element comes from experiencing the things be it alone as, or with a group of humans, that then needs context in with which you experience the art. Something made by AI isn't excluded from doing that because there is nothing to exclude. We don't have a social immune system that requires x amount of human participation in the creation of a memory because it's always 100% human since we are the ones that look/listen and feel this stuff. poo poo like Pareidolia cements this in my mind. We'll humanize anything. Yes, and no. I'm saying that the current generation of AI is incapable of doing this because it has no concept of emotional context, and it never will unless the model is somehow trained on that. I agree that the human element of experiencing the art is critical, but I feel it's both on creation and on experiencing the art that it works best. The best art is produced when there is emotional context on both ends of that equation. There is a difference between something written 'from the heart' and tapping into memories and emotions and something that's just written to be written. Writing classes teach this all the time, and I've experienced it myself. I'm not saying that what generative AI makes today can't be appreciated. I'm saying that if you want to have an AI write genuinely moving prose, it will need a much different model than what is used today, if it can be at all. If anything, I want to read emotional writing written by an AI that understands emotional context but is vastly different from a human being - it's liable to be really interesting in the same way that fiction written in other cultures and languages are - like if we could understand Dolphin poetry. I think we may be saying the same thing from different angles.
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Doctor Zero posted:I am in no way anti-AI, but this pisses me off. Did they ask Matt & Trey, or Comedy Central for permission to use the South Park IP? I agree in principle, but also gently caress South Park. They probably just used it because it's a very cheap and emulatable art style, but if they used the Simpsons and that's what finally killed the Simpsons I wouldn't be complaining (at least right at that very moment) lol
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