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A window air conditioner fell eight stories and killed a toddler at a Toronto public housing building a few years back, so can understand not wanting tenants installing those on their own. There are other types of air conditioners, though I don’t know how well they work. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5381844
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Jul 19, 2023 22:43
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Vintersorg posted:The people proesting the province not looking for the Indigenous women buried in the landfill here located the fucker who dumped a bunch of mud on their road mural. And of course, a million cops come out with hands on their guns to protect him. gently caress this racist piece of poo poo for what he did to the mural, and I'm loving happy that it made the protestors double-down on their blockade, and I'm saying this as someone who is inconvenienced by the blockade.
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Jul 19, 2023 22:44
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Bleck posted:As far as I'm aware, space heaters do not emit greenhouse gases Not directly, no. What greenhouse gasses do air conditioners emit?
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Jul 19, 2023 22:47
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I got a greenhouse gas for ya 
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Jul 19, 2023 22:49
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infernal machines posted:Not directly, no. What greenhouse gasses do air conditioners emit? Hydrofluorocarbons
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Jul 19, 2023 22:50
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If we're counting old AC units leaking HFCs due to aging/improper maintenance then we have to count old space heaters burning down houses (I cannot find how many house fires it takes to match the greenhouse emissions of leaky AC units, I am curious how that matches up) e: if a house fire from a space heater destroys an AC unit...
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Jul 19, 2023 22:55
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Fornax Disaster posted:A window air conditioner fell eight stories and killed a toddler at a Toronto public housing building a few years back, so can understand not wanting tenants installing those on their own. There are other types of air conditioners, though I don’t know how well they work. From what I recall heat pumps are a heating/cooling solution that's actually really great outside of the absolute extremes? (But ones that are good for our climate are fairly expensive, and not the kind of thing a renter can get.) I've got a window unit that basically sits half in, half out, doesn't feel at risk of falling, but I also have a balcony. If we want to ban specific options for cooling apartments, maybe we need to update housing standards so rental units are required to have proper heating AND cooling, whatever solution is going to be the best for that. (lol lmao)
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Jul 19, 2023 22:57
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I tried to convince the landlord here to install split A/C for the units since it would have been the most efficient and cost effective (we don't pay hydro) and she just laughed at me and told me to get a portable unit. It would have cost her anywhere up to two months' rent for the building to do, but I guess she'd rather just pay for us to run as many little portable units as we need.
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Jul 19, 2023 23:00
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My apartment has weird windows and there’s no balcony so I use a portable AC. It’s ok? Draining the water buildup is more annoying than any concern about efficiency, and running it is definitely cheaper than running the baseboards in the winter. Also they weigh a lot and this is a walk up. That wasn’t fun. You can insulate the hot air hose if you want, I’ve never noticed the unit itself being particularly warm. Funny thing is, my apartment is set up for central air - when I moved in I asked about it (excitedly) and the property manager was like “oh haha yeah the last people who owned this building had central air included in the rent, we decided not to do that. Also we scrapped the furnace and air conditioning unit.”
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Jul 19, 2023 23:02
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Oxyclean posted:Alternatives are not the best, from what I understand. Or at least, stuff like portable units with the hoses you stick out windows are fairly inefficient due to the part that gets hot being in the space you want to be cold. A tube an a fan (particularly if that tube is also doubling as the intake) only can do -so much- compared to the hot part just being not where you want it to be cold. I thought heat pumps were much more efficient for heating than resistive heaters but not really much different than air conditioners for cooling.
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Jul 19, 2023 23:11
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Efficiency comes from the massive temperature differential between indoors and 100 feet down. If your heat pump went to the backyard then yeah it'd suck some type of way.
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Jul 19, 2023 23:13
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angerbot posted:My apartment has weird windows and there’s no balcony so I use a portable AC. It’s ok? Draining the water buildup is more annoying than any concern about efficiency, and running it is definitely cheaper than running the baseboards in the winter. Also they weigh a lot and this is a walk up. That wasn’t fun. You can insulate the hot air hose if you want, I’ve never noticed the unit itself being particularly warm. I mean, they work fine enough, it's more just that I watched a big bunch of videos on this stuff (Technology connections on youtube) and they were pretty critical of the portable units from just like, the fact that it's a less efficient design. It absolutely has use cases like yours. More of like, a response to the implication that they're a great/better alternative to window units? Like if we're all worried about global warming, we probably want the more efficient options. Squibbles posted:I thought heat pumps were much more efficient for heating than resistive heaters but not really much different than air conditioners for cooling.
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Jul 19, 2023 23:13
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Oxyclean posted:I mean, they work fine enough, it's more just that I watched a big bunch of videos on this stuff (Technology connections on youtube) and they were pretty critical of the portable units from just like, the fact that it's a less efficient design. It absolutely has use cases like yours. Oh for sure. Heat pumps being able to heat and cool is a really nice benefit. Especially if you can use it to forego baseboard heaters or something. But if heating isn't a concern I don't think a heat pump has much in the way of advantages over an A/C unit. The carrier website says that AC and Heat pumps work in a nearly identical way for cooling I think.
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Jul 19, 2023 23:23
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angerbot posted:My apartment has weird windows and there’s no balcony so I use a portable AC. It’s ok? Draining the water buildup is more annoying than any concern about efficiency, and running it is definitely cheaper than running the baseboards in the winter. Also they weigh a lot and this is a walk up. That wasn’t fun. You can insulate the hot air hose if you want, I’ve never noticed the unit itself being particularly warm. You already have one, so it doesn't matter, but you can get ones that don't require emptying during normal cooling use. Mine supposedly passes the water out with the hot air exhaust and I've never emptied it, so it appears to work in this climate at least. Of course water vapour is a green house gas, but I guess the biosphere can take another one for the team.
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Jul 19, 2023 23:27
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I have a portable unit too and it keeps my entire apartment cool, even during extreme heat waves. It has a dehumidifying option but I don't use it, so no need to drain it. I've been running it steady since the end of May and the increase to my hydro bill has been maybe an extra $10/month if even. I can see reasons for banning the window units, unless the building wants to have them professionally installed. I don't think I've ever seen one of those properly installed, and there is almost always damage to the window and sometimes the building siding from it leaking down the wall. My building recently had to have some brick work repaired due to that.
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Jul 19, 2023 23:44
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Squibbles posted:Oh for sure. Heat pumps being able to heat and cool is a really nice benefit. Especially if you can use it to forego baseboard heaters or something. But if heating isn't a concern I don't think a heat pump has much in the way of advantages over an A/C unit. The carrier website says that AC and Heat pumps work in a nearly identical way for cooling I think. Most heat pumps are quite literally air conditioners but with the ability to run in reverse.
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Jul 19, 2023 23:56
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The U-shaped air conditioner design makes it harder for it to fall out of windows. Especially if it is a reverse U shape where it straddles the wall instead of the window. But condos windows with the little crank are harder to fit something with. And agreed portable A/C is less efficient, it uses more electricity to achieve the same amount of cooling a window A/C can do. But if you have no options/choice you're stuck, I guess you have to. But for everyone else if you can do window A/C units, or whatever keeps the hot heat exchanger part out of the house.
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Jul 20, 2023 00:02
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Heat pumps are great in moderate climates where winters don’t get too cold. They’re a poor replacement for gas furnaces in Canadian climates. Heat pumps are the closest you can get to free energy without violating the laws of physics. If you live in a place like Denver, CO a heat pump is the perfect HVAC device for the local climate. Winters don’t get much colder than like -7 and it falls within the range of optimum performance. Any cooler than that and you’ll need to supplement within baseboards. Unfortunately decarbonizing heating requires the use of baseboards for most people and that won’t go away until we can figure out a way to drive an electric central heating system.
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Jul 20, 2023 00:05
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Look, just extend the steam loop from the local nuke plant, easy peasy.
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Jul 20, 2023 00:07
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My baseboards work great. Skill issue(s)
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Jul 20, 2023 00:21
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Electric baseboard heaters are by far the most expensive way to heat a building, short of burning actual dollar bills for heat.
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Jul 20, 2023 00:52
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I would like to get a heat pump. The temperatures are too drat high.
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Jul 20, 2023 00:53
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A lot of places in BC weren’t built with hot summers in mind. Not only is there no cooling, your average Vancouver condos aren’t designed to facilitate airflow or shade or anything else that would help. Reducing our energy consumption should be a goal but I’m not sure how you deal with housing that isn’t fit for the climate. We can update building standards but it doesn’t help existing homes stay cool in the summer or warm in the winter. And I don’t want medically vulnerable people, or like, pregnant people, to have to just suck it up because of course people who are better off are more likely to have housing with temperature controls and this problem will be felt disproportionately. angerbot posted:Funny thing is, my apartment is set up for central air - when I moved in I asked about it (excitedly) and the property manager was like “oh haha yeah the last people who owned this building had central air included in the rent, we decided not to do that. Also we scrapped the furnace and air conditioning unit.” This is CRIMINAL. 
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Jul 20, 2023 02:38
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kaom posted:A lot of places in BC weren’t built with hot summers in mind. Not only is there no cooling, your average Vancouver condos aren’t designed to facilitate airflow or shade or anything else that would help. It's this. When I was growing up in Victoria nearly 40 years ago, summers in the south coast might have had one week per year of 30+ temperatures, not like a month straight like they've been having recently.
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Jul 20, 2023 02:45
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It's been 40 degrees in direct sunlight for like 45 days in row. Anyone that doesn't say AC is necessary is a jerk. Our pets need a nice cool environment, my kitty gets to keep cool while I'm out making AC money.
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Jul 20, 2023 13:50
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Kraftwerk posted:Heat pumps are great in moderate climates where winters don’t get too cold. They’re a poor replacement for gas furnaces in Canadian climates. Heat pumps are the closest you can get to free energy without violating the laws of physics. If you live in a place like Denver, CO a heat pump is the perfect HVAC device for the local climate. Winters don’t get much colder than like -7 and it falls within the range of optimum performance. Any cooler than that and you’ll need to supplement within baseboards. Your information is out of date. This isn't surprising because even numerous HVAC installers still believe this. The latest generation of cold climate air source heat pumps can operate effectively down to very low temperatures. They of course lose efficiency as it gets lower temperature but they are still significantly more efficient than baseboard heaters at -30 and retain max rated BTUs down to -15. Of course going ground-source is better but that's ridiculously expensive. Fidelitious fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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Jul 20, 2023 14:13
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I think the takeaway here is that not having AC will kill thousands in the coming years so the argument about it contributing to global warming is very weak considering it will literally save lives
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Jul 20, 2023 14:49
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It can go at the back of the line behind beef cattle, coffee, oil manufacturing, global shipping, and anything else I missed
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Jul 20, 2023 14:53
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TheKingofSprings posted:I think the takeaway here is that not having AC will kill thousands in the coming years so the argument about it contributing to global warming is very weak considering it will literally save lives Meanwhile parking minimums are a thing. e: Oh hey, you beat me to this point with your second post
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Jul 20, 2023 14:58
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TheKingofSprings posted:I think the takeaway here is that not having AC will kill thousands in the coming years so the argument about it contributing to global warming is very weak considering it will literally save lives Saving lives also contributes to global warming. That's a bit hosed up imo.
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Jul 20, 2023 14:59
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Fornax Disaster posted:A window air conditioner fell eight stories and killed a toddler at a Toronto public housing building a few years back, so can understand not wanting tenants installing those on their own. There are other types of air conditioners, though I don’t know how well they work. I used to have one of the floor ones where you put the tube out the window in my old place without AC and other than the annoyance of getting the seal on the window tube exhaust right and having to drain the water tray occasionally it cooled my one bedroom just fine.
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Jul 20, 2023 16:04
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kaom posted:A lot of places in BC weren’t built with hot summers in mind. Not only is there no cooling, your average Vancouver condos aren’t designed to facilitate airflow or shade or anything else that would help. Yeah, Calgary too (although newer builds seem to have central air pretty reliably). If you have a house where you can get decent airflow, cool at night, etc. then it's distinctly more possible to live with A/C. When you're in an apartment that faces south or southwest and there's no good way to get airflow through because you only have opening windows on one side, you are hosed. My last place without A/C would get up to 28 or 29 degrees in mid-summer. Current place has some sort of heat pump system, it's effective enough that I don't even crank the thermostat all the way down because I'd freeze my rear end off.
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Jul 20, 2023 17:02
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Don't worry renters still one left wing party ready to advocate for your housing nee... https://twitter.com/SteveSaretsky/status/1681865281189339136
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Jul 20, 2023 17:07
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PT6A posted:Yeah, Calgary too (although newer builds seem to have central air pretty reliably). If you have a house where you can get decent airflow, cool at night, etc. then it's distinctly more possible to live with A/C. When you're in an apartment that faces south or southwest and there's no good way to get airflow through because you only have opening windows on one side, you are hosed. My last place without A/C would get up to 28 or 29 degrees in mid-summer. I live on the ground floor of a century old brick house. By the end of the day, if the sun has been shining, it's 32° minimum and if it doesn't go below about 18° outside overnight, the house won't cool down, period. I still don't run the AC unless it's over 30° and pretty much only in the evening/night to cool the place down enough to be able to sleep.
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Jul 20, 2023 17:22
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DynamicSloth posted:Don't worry renters still one left wing party ready to advocate for your housing nee... Absolutely zero of my taxpayer dollars should go towards subsidizing people with variable rate mortgages in TYOOL 2023.
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Jul 20, 2023 17:37
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infernal machines posted:I live on the ground floor of a century old brick house. By the end of the day, if the sun has been shining, it's 32° minimum and if it doesn't go below about 18° outside overnight, the house won't cool down, period. Now if you had to factor in age (infants or seniors) and/or a respiratory disease, would that change how you see a law change like this?
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Jul 20, 2023 17:39
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McGavin posted:Absolutely zero of my taxpayer dollars should go towards subsidizing people with variable rate mortgages in TYOOL 2023. Done, all those subsidy funds are now going to the Irvings and Galen Weston. That was a close one!
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Jul 20, 2023 17:42
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DaysBefore posted:Done, all those subsidy funds are now going to the Irvings and Galen Weston. That was a close one! Pretty sure they have variable rate mortgages.
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Jul 20, 2023 17:43
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McGavin posted:Pretty sure they have variable rate mortgages. lol if you think that the McCains, Irvings or Westons have mortgages, like peasants
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Furnaceface posted:Now if you had to factor in age (infants or seniors) and/or a respiratory disease, would that change how you see a law change like this? No, but then again, I'm not sure how you think I see the BC law.
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