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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:The level of poo poo that Republicans think anyone gives about Hunter Biden is the most insane part of it.  that's all this is. just the most bizarre blackmail
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:The level of poo poo that Republicans think anyone gives about Hunter Biden is the most insane part of it. It's no different from when they acted like anyone cared about Obama's birth certificate or the color of his suit or whether politicians wore flag pins in public. They want scandals in certain categories and subjects, and they'll happily blow up the pettiest and most unimportant stuff into big media circuses if they need to. They'd like to paint Biden as corrupt, but Biden himself is squeaky clean in that regard as far as anyone knows. So they're focusing on his son. Doesn't matter that it doesn't actually involve Joe at all. The actual specifics and details don't matter as long as politically-unengaged people occasionally overhear "Biden" and "corrupt" in the same sentence as they walk by a TV.
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Jul 20, 2023 06:36
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Willa Rogers posted:I've never heard of this group before, and the 990s listed on its website offer scant information, including who's funding it. How did you come across it? What does “redbaiting” have to do with Russia? Russia isn’t communist.
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Jul 20, 2023 07:24
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Main Paineframe posted:It's no different from when they acted like anyone cared about Obama's birth certificate or the color of his suit or whether politicians wore flag pins in public. They want scandals in certain categories and subjects, and they'll happily blow up the pettiest and most unimportant stuff into big media circuses if they need to. They like to use the phrase Biden Crime Family for this reason.
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Jul 20, 2023 08:24
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The Artificial Kid posted:What does “redbaiting” have to do with Russia? Russia isn’t communist. That hasn't ever mattered.
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Jul 20, 2023 09:49
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:The level of poo poo that Republicans think anyone gives about Hunter Biden is the most insane part of it. I don't know. I hear a ton of talk about it at work and just being out and about. Seems like a lot of people care about it.
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Jul 20, 2023 12:07
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Speech and Debate clause likely protecting her there. Probably not. Talking about it on the floor is one thing, sending out your political opponent's son's stolen nudes to your mailing list for fundraising purposes is hardly 'debate'. Given that it's intended as political blackmail, it's pretty definitionally revenge porn.
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Jul 20, 2023 12:10
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Eiba posted:For an individual? I remember feeling this way about my $125 monthly allowance back in like 2008 but today... uh... I have a wife and a kid now, even $250 would last me like 2 weeks? Maybe? poo poo I worked in a discount grocery store for a while a little over a decade ago and even then people were constantly having to rebudget in the store because their benefits wouldn't cover what they needed.
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Jul 20, 2023 12:56
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't know. I hear a ton of talk about it at work and just being out and about. Seems like a lot of people care about it. Are they the type that was going to vote for Trump anyway or are they Democrats/actual Independents? I know the right cares, but I don’t think it’s an issue that gets anyone new to leave Biden.
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Jul 20, 2023 14:24
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Willa Rogers posted:I've never heard of this group before, and the 990s listed on its website offer scant information, including who's funding it. How did you come across it? Redbaiting? Where? I don't see any redbaiting. quote:we’ve never seen them in human history, where people walk into a schoolroom of children or strangers and start shooting people.” Here's the entirety of page 6 (all emphasis is theirs). Where's the redbaiting? I'm assuming you mean the Russia stuff, but it's hardly "redbaiting" to point out that RFK Jr supports Russia's war in Ukraine and opposes American assistance to Ukraine.
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Jul 20, 2023 14:35
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Main Paineframe posted:Redbaiting? Where? I don't see any redbaiting. quote:red-bait quote:Kennedy Has Fully Embraced Russian Propaganda About The War In Ukraine. Kennedy has called US support for Ukraine’s resistance to Russian invasion a “proxy war” between the United States and Russia that is “terrible for the Ukrainian people.” Kennedy blames Ukrainian President Zelensky for Russia’s invasion, and in a SiriusXM radio interview with Steve Scully, he claimed that the Russians were acting “in good faith” in Ukraine while America supposedly wants to prolong the war. Kennedy has been quoted approvingly by Russian outlet RT for saying that the US “should have listened to Putin over many years” and that the US is “sacrificing” Ukrainian lives by supporting their fight against Russian invasion. Kennedy is now boosting the right-wing conspiracy theory that President Biden’s standard call up of reserve troops to participate in Operation Atlantic Resolve – a rotational deployment of US troops to Europe that has been happening since 2014 – is actually preparation for a "ground war with Russia." It's right there. Yes, yes, Russia isn't "communist" anymore, but considering how it's still common to equate Russia with the Soviet Union (see the prevalent use of "tankie" here on these fine forums), accusing someone of being sympathetic to Russia to discredit them could still be called "red baiting."
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Jul 20, 2023 15:00
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't know. I hear a ton of talk about it at work and just being out and about. Seems like a lot of people care about it. they're lazy, stupid people who reach for lazy, stupid things
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Jul 20, 2023 15:15
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Judgy Fucker posted:It's right there. Yes, yes, Russia isn't "communist" anymore, but considering how it's still common to equate Russia with the Soviet Union (see the prevalent use of "tankie" here on these fine forums), accusing someone of being sympathetic to Russia to discredit them could still be called "red baiting." But that equation isn't happening.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:21
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Discendo Vox posted:But that equation isn't happening. How so? How is that article not trying to discredit him based (among other things) on purported Russian sympathies?
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Jul 20, 2023 15:22
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Judgy Fucker posted:It's right there. Yes, yes, Russia isn't "communist" anymore, but considering how it's still common to equate Russia with the Soviet Union (see the prevalent use of "tankie" here on these fine forums), accusing someone of being sympathetic to Russia to discredit them could still be called "red baiting." Is accurately portraying someone's stance red baiting? I was under the impression it was falsely accusing someone of sympathizing with a communist agenda. In this case it's just repeating what RFK has said.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:23
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Is accurately portraying someone's stance red baiting? I was under the impression it was falsely accusing someone of sympathizing with a communist agenda. In this case it's just repeating what RFK has said. The definition I pulled had no language about red-baiting being only based on falsehoods. I’m not saying he doesn’t have Russian sympathies, I’m merely saying that article is, in fact, red-baiting in the colloquial sense of the term.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:25
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Judgy Fucker posted:The definition I pulled had no language about red-baiting being only based on falsehoods. I’m not saying he doesn’t have Russian sympathies, I’m merely saying that article is, in fact, red-baiting in the colloquial sense of the term. So if it is accurate how is it red baiting? What exactly is being baited?
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Jul 20, 2023 15:27
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Judgy Fucker posted:How so? How is that article not trying to discredit him based (among other things) on purported Russian sympathies? He isn’t discredited for ”Russian sympathies”. He is discredited with openly supporting a genocidal authoritarian who started a destructive war.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:So if it is accurate how is it red baiting? What exactly is being baited? “This person is bad because Russia.” Vahakyla posted:He isn’t discredited for ”Russian sympathies”. He is discredited with openly supporting a genocidal authoritarian who started a destructive war. You say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Judgy Fucker posted:How so? How is that article not trying to discredit him based (among other things) on purported Russian sympathies? Accurately stating someone’s opinions and criticizing them on their merits isn’t any sort of baiting. Baiting has a negative connotation and there’s nothing wrong with what was written. Edit: it isn’t “this person is bad because Russia” it’s “this person thinks the US should allow a Russian war of territorial conquest” which is a true statement and completely fair criticism.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:28
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Judgy Fucker posted:“This person is bad because Russia.” Is that what's happening here? It kinda seems like it's more "this person is bad because they have poo poo opinions and see the world through a lens of crazy" Kinda seems like any criticism of someone with that opinion could be called red baiting, which seems silly.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:29
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Judgy Fucker posted:“This person is bad because Russia.” Yes, Pudgy Rucker, supporting genocidal authoritarians makes you bad, too. Seems like you might be a bad person too if you think they are ok. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Vahakyla posted:Yes, Pudgy Rucker, supporting genocidal authoritarians makes you bad, too. Why don’t you go ahead and quote me where I say genocide is okay or that I support Putin.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:33
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Judgy Fucker posted:“This person is bad because Russia.” The connection you made between "Russia" and "red" is rather weak and tenuous. It seems more intended to deflect criticism than anything else. People are criticizing Russia supporters because Russia is fascist and overtly imperialistic. No one connects them with communism.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:34
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Deteriorata posted:People are criticizing Russia supporters because Russia is fascist and overtly imperialistic. No one connects them with communism. Then why is “tankie” used as a pro-Russia pejorative in 2023 when the USSR hasn’t been around in 32 years?
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Jul 20, 2023 15:37
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Judgy Fucker posted:Then why is “tankie” used as a pro-Russia pejorative in 2023 when the USSR hasn’t been around in 32 years? Their tanks are though
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Judgy Fucker posted:Why don’t you go ahead and quote me where I say genocide is okay or that I support Putin. Just ignore the obvious troll. Anybody stupid enough to post that is safely ignorable. To me red baiting is a false or tenuous guilt by association tactic, but in this case you have the guys own words and the accurate reporting of those words. Judgy Fucker posted:Then why is “tankie” used as a pro-Russia pejorative in 2023 when the USSR hasn’t been around in 32 years? Because people like quips and labels, the same reason 'lib' exists or any other negative stereotype. Also supporting soviets sending in the tanks to quell an uprising is literally the origin of the term, and Russia is literally sending in the tanks as we speak, so it's probably a tempting term to pick up and throw around in the current context.
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Saying that RFK is quoting Russian propaganda and talking points is not redbaiting.
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Deteriorata posted:The connection you made between "Russia" and "red" is rather weak and tenuous. It seems more intended to deflect criticism than anything else. Maybe, MAYBE no one posting itt does People have a lot of loving stupid ideas in the greater wilds of America and that's who these political statements we're reading are addressed to Lots of people out there saying Putin is a direct result of Communism and actually I'm pretty sure someone has said that here too and might come back and say it again. You don't have to agree with the red baiting but that's what they are doing.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:44
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Judgy Fucker posted:Then why is “tankie” used as a pro-Russia pejorative in 2023 when the USSR hasn’t been around in 32 years? Because, as has become evident, tankiedom was always more about opposing America/the West than being for anything.
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Also the fact that the media is covering this at all is its own kind of stupid. The red baiting is the only reason to do it, this isn't actually news. TheDeadlyShoe posted:Because, as has become evident, tankiedom was always more about opposing America/the West than being for anything. People opposed to the central powers of the capitalist imperial core probably aren't for anything at all, I'm sure.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:45
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Harold Fjord posted:Maybe, MAYBE no one posting itt does Terrifyingly most Republicans and 40%+ Democrats believe that Russia is communist. https://www.newsweek.com/most-republicans-wrongly-believe-russia-communist-country-poll-1684317 That has nothing to do with how that article was not red baiting but it’s still a very common misconception that Russia is communist.
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Jul 20, 2023 15:46
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Harold Fjord posted:Also the fact that the media is covering this at all is its own kind of stupid. The media should not cover Kennedy’s opinions on Russia? Is this how I read this?
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Jul 20, 2023 15:47
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Harold Fjord posted:Also the fact that the media is covering this at all is its own kind of stupid. The guys is running for office for Pete's sake. How is it not news worthy to cover his opinions and things he says?
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Jul 20, 2023 15:47
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I don't give a gently caress about his last name we don't have royalty here. It's just some rich moron like every other Rich moron I'm running for president! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 20, 2023 15:48
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Judgy Fucker posted:Then why is “tankie” used as a pro-Russia pejorative in 2023 when the USSR hasn’t been around in 32 years? Because there exist on the Internet various flavors of far left people with authoritarian leanings that typically argue that nations like Russia (and sometimes China) cannot be imperialist due to reasons that boil down to "they're not the US or one of its allies, also Putin sometimes praises Stalin/the USSR during WW2 and there's a large party called the Communist party in Russia ergo Russia is more communist than the US". They then take this framework and apply it to situations where Russia invades its neighbors and conclude it must be a good thing and the country they're invading must be a US puppet regime. It does not mean anyone who expresses sympathies to Russia in its foreign policy goals is themselves a tankie, and I don't think RFK is one since he doesn't seem to be otherwise sympathetic to communism.
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Harold Fjord posted:I don't give a gently caress about his last name we don't have royalty here. It's just some rich moron like every other Rich moron I get your point, why is the guy covering this man at all, not specifically why are they covering his political beliefs. He has no shot at unseating Joe Biden and exists outside of the Democratic Party's constituency. And that is because there is nothing to report for Democratic Party drama so they are manufacturing this and will soon move onto No Labels.
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Harold Fjord posted:I don't give a gently caress about his last name we don't have royalty here. It's just some rich moron like every other Rich moron Ah yes. It is the duty of the press in a free state to simply not cover political candidates or their opinions. After all, no one cares about that. I’m a very smart person. Very edgy too because you see I don’t care about the Kennedy family  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I recommend the books nearest to the checkout counter at the supermarket if that is the kind of insightful political analysis you're looking forMooseontheloose posted:I get your point, why is the guy covering this man at all, not specifically why are they covering his political beliefs. He has no shot at unseating Joe Biden and exists outside of the Democratic Party's constituency. Exactly. They are throwing poo poo at the wall to see what gets ratings Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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Judgy Fucker posted:The definition I pulled had no language about red-baiting being only based on falsehoods. I’m not saying he doesn’t have Russian sympathies, I’m merely saying that article is, in fact, red-baiting in the colloquial sense of the term. The definition you pulled also explicitly stated that red-baiting is specifically about Communism, so do you just going to pick and choose what parts of the definition are important in this context?
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