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hot cocoa on the couch posted:forums parliament + also mandatory forums referendums the time of the ombudsgoon is nigh Cugel the Clever posted:I'd bet that if you were to put it to a vote, the majority of GBS posters would be in favor of the mega thread status quo. But because they're satisfied with the status quo, they're unlikely to show up in a feedback thread to defend them in the way that the discontented will to attack them. And, as the posters above demonstrate, it can be hard not to read such attacks as a backdoor way to achieve the longstanding goal of some to kill the politics threads they disagree with. I don't people wanna kill all the politics threads, just to break up the megathread status quo so stuff isn't as static, i think like, i don't think anyone's suggested actually banning discussion of any of the megathread topics just that they get rebooted more than every 2 new presidents and/or can make space on the forum front page for new conversations about things if there's not really anything happening about [topic] for 8 months or whatever, that's the read i have of it at least? FirstnameLastname fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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decorum should dictate that in any negative megathread (trump, elon, groversub, etc), for each mocking post you must also post one compliment about the subject. should balance out the tone and make everyone happy i think.
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note the compliments can be backhanded
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Jul 20, 2023 16:01
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If we take the Star Citizen mock thread as an example, it really needs mods willing to ban regulars who are being weird. No mod warning threads ban the goon being weird immediately.
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Terrible Opinions posted:If we take the Star Citizen mock thread as an example, it really needs mods willing to ban regulars who are being weird. No mod warning threads ban the goon being weird immediately. Wait, what are the examples of people being weird in the Star Citizen thread? I've casually followed that thread for a while now and I can't recall anything like that.
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LanceHunter posted:Wait, what are the examples of people being weird in the Star Citizen thread? I've casually followed that thread for a while now and I can't recall anything like that. i dont know about the gbs mock thread but the star citizen forum when it existed went from something that was supposed to laugh at a stupid video game kickstarting scam to doxxing random people related to the game and being weirder than the star citizen stans they were obsessed with the thread in games also recently had a blow up related to transphobia lol
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attempts to bring attention to the problems with the star citizen forum would be met with very normal people accusing the outsiders of being star citizen backers if this sounds familiar this is ebcause that is how the mock thread cycle ends
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LanceHunter posted:Wait, what are the examples of people being weird in the Star Citizen thread? I've casually followed that thread for a while now and I can't recall anything like that. edit: There are a weirdly high number of people who only post in the Games version of the Star Citizen thread and nowhere else on SA Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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destroying a thread and self destructing due to transphobia is an all time classic
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the submarine thread has been gassed good job 
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didnt the star citizen thread dox a 16 year old in a wheelchair
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i don't read the games one, but i check the gbs star citizen thread from time to time and i don't think there are major problems right now. it's just that there's no news with the game anymore so the only content is quoting stuff like the very weird monocle cat posts from the official forums i do enjoy reading those sometimes, but when that's the only thing happening in the thread it's not great. don't know if it needs to be closed or gassed because it's also not super active or occupying a slot of the first page of gbs at all times.
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The biggest problem with political threads - especially on heated topics - is a lack of news and control tends to result in people trying to go after other perceived enemies. God help me for bringing it up, but the Ukraine thread had that happen last night and they started going all "Tankies  " out of nowhere apparently, including the IK talking about renaming the thread to a reference of a CSPAM thread they would constantly try to litigate.Thankfully someone posted news and things moved on.
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Cthulu Carl posted:The biggest problem with political threads - especially on heated topics - is a lack of news and control tends to result in people trying to go after other perceived enemies. sounds like an ik should have their buttons removed
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Endorph posted:didnt the star citizen thread dox a 16 year old in a wheelchair Not the GBS thread, that happened when it was its own forum iirc
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Terrible Opinions posted:Fairly recently someone was a weird transpobe. Got banned less than a day later. I used to lurk it when Star Citizen was funny but that thread is weird in that it's been the same circular conversations rehashed for several years because there's not really anything new to talk about and the main characters in CIG to safari all stepped out of the public eye. It should probably be in cccc to be honest. Anyways Games isn't gbs so I'll leave it at that.
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sa has a long history of doxxing children - hell, one of the culprits was even a mod! Who tried to force women to send him pics!
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Terrible Opinions posted:Fairly recently someone was a weird transpobe. Got banned less than a day later. Okay, maybe feedback on the Star Citizen megathread in the Games forum can go in that forum's feedback thread. I don't see anyone banned in the GBS Star Citizen thread since at least April (which was as far back as I cared to check).
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FirstnameLastname posted:the time of the ombudsgoon is nigh Endorph posted:the megathreads that are tagentially related to politics should be destroyed. the megathreads for simpsons quotes can stay. Emphases mine. That's the closest example within a page or two, but calling for politics threads to be purged from GBS isn't something new, I feel like I've seen it show up in most threads discussing issues/"issues" in GBS. Disagree with it, personally. Saint Isaias Boner posted:Sorry in advance for the long post but I'd like to propose the following, after reading all this stuff since the start (and not contributing much, because I'm moving, but that's by the by) Cugel the Clever posted:I'd bet that if you were to put it to a vote, the majority of GBS posters would be in favor of the mega thread status quo. But because they're satisfied with the status quo, they're unlikely to show up in a feedback thread to defend them in the way that the discontented will to attack them. And, as the posters above demonstrate, it can be hard not to read such attacks as a backdoor way to achieve the longstanding goal of some to kill the politics threads they disagree with. anyway I mostly agree with these two posts, sans the mandatory megathread reboot thing.
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This new megathread must be allowed to last forever: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4037276&perpage=40&pagenumber=1&noseen=1
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I like politics threads existing here because I do not want to post in or read D&D, I do not want to post in or read cspam either, but I like there being a thread I can skim here to at least vaguely catch up on what's going on. The actual politics forums just aren't my vibe at all, no hate to them they just aren't for me. id rather there be some threads about it here
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the submarine thread has been gassed good job https://youtu.be/DfLL7CTRNQQ?t=20
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general politics threads in gbs are w/e but i dont think gbs needs a thread just about the ukraine war for instance
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I mean, that's been repeatedly litigated in SAD, and afaik the last decision was that it got rebooted and got to stay? It's been running more or less smoothly since March 5th with the new set of rules, seems like a solved issue 
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Cugel the Clever posted:
Actually SAD disproved this. When it was at its most openly dramatic and vitriolic a lot of lurkers came out to give their feedback on topics they read but don't post in. They did that because they cared. If people aren't posting in feedback spaces it isn't that they automatically agree with the status quo, it is that they don't care enough to speak up. Or they don't exist and are an imaginary 'silent majority' construct being used to try and win an argument that is otherwise unsupported. Either way, the imaginary and the disengaged don't get a say in decision making.
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Lord Awkward posted:I mean, that's been repeatedly litigated in SAD, and afaik the last decision was that it got rebooted and got to stay? It's been running more or less smoothly since March 5th with the new set of rules, seems like a solved issue Yeah, I'm not saying it needs gassed - gently caress, I post in it - but it might need those rules reiterated. The slip last night was temporary, and I hope it doesn't start more often.
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Endorph posted:general politics threads in gbs are w/e but i dont think gbs needs a thread just about the ukraine war for instance The cspam Ukraine war thread is full of wierd racist takes and genuine tankies (in the sense of "ukraine bad because us imperialism is bad") and the "serious" war threads in for instance GIP or D&D don't tend to like joking about the war. GBS is the perfect blend of war updates and lampooning the russian state and its leaders. The holodomor thing in thre thread was wierd, jokes about genocides aren't really that funny
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Endorph posted:general politics threads in gbs are w/e but i dont think gbs needs a thread just about the ukraine war for instance That's a terrible idea. The first attempt to close down the GBS Ukraine War thread was pushed primarily by people who actively supported Russia's genocidal invasion and wanted the only discussion of the invasion to happen in the forums where people who agreed with them had mod powers. (These posters also tended to focus on disingenuous concern trolling about "bloodlust" in that thread, when you could go into their post history and see them giddy for any chance to share the most violent footage they could find during the old COOL ZONE megathreads.) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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LanceHunter posted:That's a terrible idea. The first attempt to close down the GBS Ukraine War thread was pushed primarily by people who actively supported Russia's genocidal invasion and wanted the only discussion of the invasion to happen in the forums where people who agreed with them had mod powers. (These posters also tended to focus on disingenuous concern trolling about "bloodlust" in that thread, when you could go into their post history and see them giddy for any chance to share the most violent footage they could find during the old COOL ZONE megathreads.) 
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LanceHunter posted:That's a terrible idea. The first attempt to close down the GBS Ukraine War thread was pushed primarily by people who actively supported Russia's genocidal invasion and wanted the only discussion of the invasion to happen in the forums where people who agreed with them had mod powers. (These posters also tended to focus on disingenuous concern trolling about "bloodlust" in that thread, when you could go into their post history and see them giddy for any chance to share the most violent footage they could find during the old COOL ZONE megathreads.) Jesus Christ, stop trying to re-litigate this poo poo.
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i dont have any major complaints about the current ukraine thread so long as the iks arent trying to stoke forum grudges
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Cthulu Carl posted:Jesus Christ, stop trying to re-litigate this poo poo. this is your comment while you obsessively re-litigate yourself?
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so how about that weather, it’s a hot one eh? catch the game last night?
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Dick Fontaine posted:this is your comment while you obsessively re-litigate yourself? What am I trying to re-litigate? Please show me in my posts. I pointed out an issue I saw in a thread I post in regularly.
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Dick Fontaine posted:this is your comment while you obsessively re-litigate yourself? Cthulu Carl posted:Yeah, I'm not saying it needs gassed - gently caress, I post in it - but it might need those rules reiterated. The slip last night was temporary, and I hope it doesn't start more often. 
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I know this was now a dozen of pages ago(I woke up and it looks like this thread exploded) but I wanted to saying something about the transphobic shitposts brought up earlier It is exceptionally hosed up to shitpost around someone or even a group of someones when it's about something really loving personal to them already like orientation or gender identity without, at least - I'd say as a bare loving minimum - thinking about it long enough to know it's a bad idea and deciding not to do it. The problem is that something in your brain didn't go "wait, maybe posting something critical of members of the trans community is a bad idea if I'm not under the same tent" to begin with. Even if they were in the same tent, let's say, we shouldn't eat our own unprovoked. C'mon. Common sense. There's no running interference and "correcting the record" on that, no one should even try, especially the people that made those posts and already apologized for them. If you're truly sorry, don't get involved in conversations involving these subjects because your presence is no longer constructive nor welcome, that's common sense imo - yes, even if people bring you up, no point in defending the indefensible As for the political threads, I don't care either way but I kinda like parts of the Trump one and the Musk one, although there was a convo in one of them I vaguely remember seeing while lurking about Dave Chapelle that almost got into "erasing his transphobia" territory by one poster. I'm glad other goons set that poster straight, but maybe less talking out your rear end when it comes to stuff like that please
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:Sorry in advance for the long post but I'd like to propose the following, after reading all this stuff since the start (and not contributing much, because I'm moving, but that's by the by) This is pretty great and I especially agree on the point about moderation - if they want to repair things at this point, they need to stop being charitable in how they read posts that come off as phobic to people who know best how to recognize what that looks like, listen to people who are telling you something's wrong if they're the ones with more experience with it You don't have to be an expert at spotting things if you listen to other poster complaints and reports, even if you think there's bad faith in it maybe the goal should be to see if they're right anyways, motive doesn't matter when it comes to fixing these problems, what matters is making sure posters with the most reasons to care about this kind of thing are heard and responded to because doing otherwise is not only the wrong thing to do, but a very bad look
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