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Jack-Off Lantern posted:I'm really disappointed in the frequency of story content and I think I'm done with this. I really don't enjoy team/character building anymore and what I enjoy is presented to me in crumbs. Honestly Genshin didn't really grab me too much the first time I tried it like the week it came out and I only came back to it like half a year down the line when I think Eula was announced as a character and I realized the characters were going to be my kind of jam and may as well give it another go now that there was more content in the game and a whole new region was coming out in a few months where I was looking to snag Ayaka and quit at the moment of lost interest. Haven't really looked back since, but being 3-4 patches behind whatever the current one is means I've basically always had something to do or engage in story/exploration wise in it. Been thinking of doing something similar with Star Rail. TBH I though it'd have a quicker Honkai 3rd like clip to the pace of story content too where every 6 weeks or so it's about 5ish hours of new stuff dropping. boredsatellite posted:genshin also had a lot of people quitting due to a massive drought of stuff and one of the events was the final straw if I recall Genshin had a lot of uncreative streamers all doing the same "NoOoOoO EnD GaMe CoNtEnT YoU GuYs CoNcErNiNg" bit all at once cause some hack journalist college student intern wrote about his exchange with an automated response system or low level grunt just giving straight PR answers and everybody took it as the gospel of Da Wei, which probably gave it a lot of bad PR, but again see above for a quasi-intentional viable strategy that's worked for me not to have that problem. That games content creator network single handedly gave me a bad impression of content creators and their clickbait economy possibly for life. I only really stick to like one channel at this point anymore about Genshin stuff called Catwiththebluehat. As for the event in question, I can't be sure of the veracity because people saying they're quitting that game all the time is like a rite of passage on social media, but it was probably last patch where there was an event themed around a Teyvat wide tournament in it's TCG mini-game which is just that, but a lot of people seemed to create a narrative that it's the absolute single worst thing ever and Mihoyo was FORCING people to play this "abomination" of a game mode, when really if you actually bothered to look into it, you could play 4 pre-made scenarios against some in game characters for primogems and you only had to clear it on the easy AI setting. That's it, but the internets version of that event is very different 
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I would love it if I could grind out a week's worth of calyx on a Friday night. While we're at it, Echo of War should be free.
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Jul 21, 2023 13:54
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Where do I start that tales of fantastic event? For some reason it's not showing up for me
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Jul 21, 2023 13:59
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It's not until 1:00/13:00. Check back in about 4 hours.
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Hitting E6 right before a big event was probably not the brightest idea I've ever had.
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Jul 21, 2023 14:15
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Uh...quick question about the 1.2 storyline , was that the end of Dan Shu? She shows up, doesn't acknowledge her quest line, and then dies?
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Jul 21, 2023 14:16
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Oh nice. Yeah, it's a really good system that I'm puzzled wasn't in Genshin or this game. It also reduces the FOMO a bit, since if you can't play for a day or two it's not two days wasted completely, you can just burn through the excess stamina on another day. forcing people to log in every day activates FOMO and gets them more stuck to the game. That said Genshin is to the point where it feels like it burns people out more than gets them stuck at this point.
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Hypocrisy posted:Uh...quick question about the 1.2 storyline , was that the end of Dan Shu? She shows up, doesn't acknowledge her quest line, and then dies? People complained about the Dan Shu quests not flowing well, so they made them skippable this patch. I think a side effect of that is they got completely neutered in the main story.
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Hypocrisy posted:Uh...quick question about the 1.2 storyline , was that the end of Dan Shu? She shows up, doesn't acknowledge her quest line, and then dies? Yeah that was bizarre.
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:I'm really disappointed in the frequency of story content and I think I'm done with this. I really don't enjoy team/character building anymore and what I enjoy is presented to me in crumbs. Something I learned with Genshin was that you need to spread out quests in Hoyo games. Your ability to play through content will always outpace their ability to produce it. I'm slowly working through Space China quests now and am nowhere close to the 1.2 content yet. Hell, I finally started the museum event last night. But, taking a break and coming back once there's some content built up isn't a bad idea either. If you're not enjoying the grind then there's no sense in making yourself play. Endorph posted:forcing people to log in every day activates FOMO and gets them more stuck to the game. That said Genshin is to the point where it feels like it burns people out more than gets them stuck at this point. Yeah, all I'm doing rn in Genshin is logging in to do my daily commissions, maybe a little TCG, and that's it. Haven't even started the summer event yet. It's not fair to Genshin to compare it to HSR (different genres, Genshin's years old now, etc), but some of the QoL improvements in HSR make doing some things in Genshin a lot more tedious now
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I think I'm over my honeymoon period with this game. I don't particularly enjoy character building anymore, and the story and sidequests are feeling more like a chore than anything else. That said, I have foolishly committed to getting Kafka and Fu Xuan (I don't even know what I'd do with Kafka, it's not like I've leveled Sampo), so I will be stuck in FOMO-land for another month and a half I guess.
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Why not just stop playing? I don't get it.
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Because no matter how bad it is, I'll still play that garbage. Like there isn't that many games out there where I can be comfortable playing while riding the bus and I don't have to worry about what others might think of me if they happens to take a glance at my screen.
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Walla posted:Why not just stop playing? I don't get it. Because I want Kafka.
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Shinji2015 posted:Something I learned with Genshin was that you need to spread out quests in Hoyo games. Your ability to play through content will always outpace their ability to produce it. I'm slowly working through Space China quests now and am nowhere close to the 1.2 content yet. Hell, I finally started the museum event last night. It's something that they kind of solved in HI3, like HI3's story quests are quite a lot of content for not having an open world and just being a vn. They are released in three big chunks for chapter, each chunk can take 3~ or so hours to play depending, so you get at least 9 hours, give or take, of story content per update alongside events and everything else. It's pretty substantial. Of course it's verbose, so it depends on your tolerance of that kind of style, but I haven't really felt disappointed with a story update in HI3. Meanwhile this game has like that what felt like 2 hour story quest, and then I'll be generous and give them another hour out of Yukong's sidequest. Genshin has less raw story content but it's also got more to do in a new update as well. I dunno I was hoping that without the big zones like Genshin we would get a more substantial story, but it feels like we get less than either game right now, outside of idk the Charibert update in Genshin that was a tiny unsatisfying story update as well. I guess things requiring cutscenes, instead of just being a VN make it take longer? But I'd rather have a more substantial story with VN style than what we're currently getting.
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I like the briefness of the story since needing to spend literal hours upon hours reading in FGO is what made me drop it. I just wish the stuff was a bit more interesting.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I like the briefness of the story since needing to spend literal hours upon hours reading in FGO is what made me drop it. I just wish the stuff was a bit more interesting.  Half the reason I stopped playing arknights is that the story bits felt interminable. That’s as much a pacing issue as a verbosity issue but the end result is the same. HSR (and genshin really) giving me a chance to pause without resetting my progress is welcome.
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This is a fun game for me to spend 20-30 minutes on every day I don't think about it or engage much deeper than that.
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Another thing I just remembered that didn't made sense to me the cloud knights couldn't advance further in the alchemy commission because of the smoke that induced Mara in the solider. There was even a line by one of the knight that mentioned that they were awfully young too. But in the previous patch the theory was that Mara was caused by excessive build up of memories, it was why they said that Vidyadhara was immune to Mara because every time they reborn, they lose all of their memories from their past life. It just doesn't add up unless theyre putting in the groundwork for a big reveal that Fuli was responsible for it in the first place in a future plot but judging by the recent writing, I highly doubt that this is the case
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I've enjoyed the story so far, but I also went in with no expectations since I haven't played any of their previous games. The setting is cool and that's what keeps me interested. That and Simulated Universe-- I love SU and if I'm bored sometimes I'll just run through it for no benefit whatsoever. I'm very pleased that another world got added. I also have a lot of other games competing for my time right now. FFXIV even had an update at the same time as this, so that's where my focus has been. I appreciate that I can complete my daily tasks quickly and feel like I'm making a bit of progress with my team. The moment logging into a game starts feeling like a chore, I will drop it.
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NeonPunk posted:Another thing I just remembered that didn't made sense to me the cloud knights couldn't advance further in the alchemy commission because of the smoke that induced Mara in the solider. There was even a line by one of the knight that mentioned that they were awfully young too. But in the previous patch the theory was that Mara was caused by excessive build up of memories, it was why they said that Vidyadhara was immune to Mara because every time they reborn, they lose all of their memories from their past life. It just doesn't add up unless theyre putting in the groundwork for a big reveal that Fuli was responsible for it in the first place in a future plot but judging by the recent writing, I highly doubt that this is the case I think answer is evil juice.
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NeonPunk posted:Another thing I just remembered that didn't made sense to me the cloud knights couldn't advance further in the alchemy commission because of the smoke that induced Mara in the solider. There was even a line by one of the knight that mentioned that they were awfully young too. But in the previous patch the theory was that Mara was caused by excessive build up of memories, it was why they said that Vidyadhara was immune to Mara because every time they reborn, they lose all of their memories from their past life. It just doesn't add up unless theyre putting in the groundwork for a big reveal that Fuli was responsible for it in the first place in a future plot but judging by the recent writing, I highly doubt that this is the case Since it was specially made fog to induce Mara, II don't think it necessarily needs to align with theories of how Mara naturally occurs.
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I can barely stay awake in the evenings enough to play an hour or two of anything, so I'm extremely happy with the pace of content, myself.
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kinda funny to remember year 1 of genshin and how a lot of people were really upset how little content that game had. being a turn based jrpg really keeps the arpg/mmo people away lol. im actually not really clear why the recent patches have been as small as they are though. i know people have speculated about covid but i think they were pretty far past covid disrupting their workflow when this came out. during the first beta it felt way more like covid had impacted them, since at that point they had only finished belobog and basically nothing was in the game while the final beta had easily 4-5x as much content in it.
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I'm guessing they're trying to figure out the best pacing for the story that isn't HI3's Visual Novel style (which I love mind you) or Genshins style. Edit: I do think they'd benefit a bit from copying FF14 end of patch quest bits where they have the NPC say they're lost track of the bad guy/trail or they need to wait Major characters to rest and recover and will get back to you later. I find the end of the MSQ just a bit too arbubt sometimes SatoshiMiwa fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jul 21, 2023 |
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Jul 21, 2023 16:50
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Personally, I’d like one full Express stop at a time. Companion missions and other side content from the previous stops while we’re waiting for the new one. I’d much rather wait around with limited or even no content then effectively read half of a chapter and then wait a month for the other half to become available.
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vote_no posted:Personally, I’d like one full Express stop at a time. Companion missions and other side content from the previous stops while we’re waiting for the new one. I feel like we stopped at 80% of the Luofu, did 99% and are now just missing the lead-in to the next area..it's not even a real cliffhanger. It's just that I don't really enjoy the Forgotten Hall and the Simulated Universe, while fun, barely got new content. It's just daily login stuff now and..I don't enjoy that anymore Jack-Off Lantern fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 21, 2023 |
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Realizing you don't care about Forgotten Hall basically liberates you to play as little as you feel like playing since that's basically where the payoff of all the limited banners and character optimization is. It's still cool to get a shiny new character you've been looking forward to, so knocking out dailies whenever you feel like it isn't bad or anything, but once you start to view the character building stuff as a drag, new characters also kind of just became another thing you have to do, so it's easier to just call it a day when you're feeling burned out and come back when there's new stuff to enjoy.
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:I feel like we stopped at 80% of the Luofu, did 99% and are now just missing the lead-in to the next area..it's not even a real cliffhanger.
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Yeah, you're probably right. I kinda wanted to get Fu but..eh I'll take a break. I did spend 50€ on the game so it feels a bit bad,but...it is how it is.
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Tree Reformat posted:People complained about the Dan Shu quests not flowing well, so they made them skippable this patch. I think a side effect of that is they got completely neutered in the main story. That's a real shame. Reading about Dan Shu's "best friend" getting blown up (along with the hospital she worked at) by Lan and her vowing revenge was probably the most interesting part of Luofu.
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Hypocrisy posted:That's a real shame. Reading about Dan Shu's "best friend" getting blown up (along with the hospital she worked at) by Lan and her vowing revenge was probably the most interesting part of Luofu. That's what I liked about the 1.1 patch. It just made everything more ambiguous and grey but with the 1.2 patch, it's just "nope, Abundance is evil straight up"
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Not sure how you get "Abundance is evil" out of "It was actually a Destruction plot all along". Like, one of the big things people are complaining about with this patch is that Phantylia comes out of nowhere and robs the Luofu plot of any attempt at seriousness by coopting the Hunt vs Abundance storyline.
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The bit about Tingyun felt really out of nowhere and dumb too. Did we meet her or didn't we? Does the game explain it in 4 months? Who knows
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:The bit about Tingyun felt really out of nowhere and dumb too. her mask slipped a bit when the tree popped up and she went a bit elastic and crazy for a few lines, wasn’t exactly out of nowhere
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I think the number of people caught off guard by that part suggests they didn’t do a very good job of foreshadowing it
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GateOfD posted:her mask slipped a bit when the tree popped up and she went a bit elastic and crazy for a few lines, wasn’t exactly out of nowhere I really barely remember that happening truth be told. That's probably on me
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No, she was definitely acting suspicious the whole time, the problem is that the reveal itself is confusing and comes out of nowhere. Like, if Tingyun had actually been an Emanator of Abundance herself, I think that would've gone over a lot better. Her being this fire ghost spirit of Phantylia and maybe a copy of Tingyun or maybe the real one is just... weird and feels off. There was plenty of foreshadowing of Tingyun being not the person she pretends to be, but her exact identity was completely outside the realm of the player to predict.
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tingyun always had suspicious vibes but yeah the dumb part was her being a Destructo Lord instead of a medicus spy/sympathizer or whatever goofy as hell but whatever, the new area and boss fight were cool at least
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Zurai posted:No, she was definitely acting suspicious the whole time, the problem is that the reveal itself is confusing and comes out of nowhere. Like, if Tingyun had actually been an Emanator of Abundance herself, I think that would've gone over a lot better. Her being this fire ghost spirit of Phantylia and maybe a copy of Tingyun or maybe the real one is just... weird and feels off. There was plenty of foreshadowing of Tingyun being not the person she pretends to be, but her exact identity was completely outside the realm of the player to predict. nonsense, with a little deductive reasoning you could have surmised the reason why she gets targeted in battle so much was because she was secretly destruction all this time 
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