gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1680076918765367297?t=UVFrVE445B_x4rrxKoiYMQ&s=19

Or maybe that was the joke you were going for

A Bad King posted:

No smoobles no please this is a terrible joke

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1680076918765367297?t=UVFrVE445B_x4rrxKoiYMQ&s=19

Or maybe that was the joke you were going for

Koirhor posted:

she finally said something that makes sense

Dog Case posted:

bowser posted:

https://twitter.com/graham_caswell/status/1682053796719915010?s=46&t=J1lVrKOqDLGRcF29dzsWPA

Fried Watermelon posted:

Halifax got owned yesterday, 210 mm of rain in a day when the average is 90 mm for the entire month of July.

Got cellphone alerts warning of a dam being breached and to evacuate areas.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

what do people mean by the term "cybernetic capitalism?" i have a vague idea, but would like some clarity

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

what do people mean by the term "cybernetic capitalism?" i have a vague idea, but would like some clarity

Cold on a Cob posted:

ok so here's what's loving me up about this year - we're not even hearing about half of these events now. it's not like cbc isn't talking about climate change regularly but they're just coming fast and frequent so smaller events like this don't rate

e: reading up on it now and yeah, holy poo poo

stay safe east coast goons

mags posted:

robots you pay to gently caress

tuyop posted:

I think it was coined by mark fisher. WRONG, it may be Timothy Erik Ström. basically capitalism is extracting value from the land and labor. cybernetic capitalism is extracting value from the commodified properties of the individual body. everything from fitness tracking to advertise running shoes to cars that track your driving to help insurance companies reduce their exposure to risk to monitoring your attention to your computer while you’re at work.

there are many genres in this category. immunocapitalism, gender capitalism, so on. they’re just frameworks for trying to explain new behaviours of everyone’s favourite system of distribution by deed rather than need!

Microplastics posted:

No, cybernetic capitalism is when the robots gently caress you. But you still have to pay

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

what do people mean by the term "cybernetic capitalism?" i have a vague idea, but would like some clarity

Cold on a Cob posted:

ok so here's what's loving me up about this year - we're not even hearing about half of these events now. it's not like cbc isn't talking about climate change regularly but they're just coming fast and frequent so smaller events like this don't rate

e: reading up on it now and yeah, holy poo poo

stay safe east coast goons

tuyop posted:

yeah capitalism is you get hosed until you rent everything and own nothing

cybernetic capitalism is when this concept extends to the functions of your body and mind through technology.

cash crab posted:

one the biggest issues, i think, is that most people do not want to hear about it. even people who generally consider themselves as "believing in science" or whatever will fumble through a conversation about climate collapse and sometimes just straight up check out. i know i've brought up this example but i was talking about it with my boss (i work in a bar, so the delineation between staff and management is mostly a formality) and my boss was saying his "retirement plan in five years" (he is 32) is to take heroin. i said i was going to go via death by cop, and he said that sounded too complicated. no, i don't know his username.

anyway, someone else came up and asked what we were talking about, and he explained, and she said, "but that's a problem for our grandchildren, right?" and he laughed, and she walked away. when she came back later she said, "yeah, i believe in that stuff, i just don't want to hear about it." either people don't think it will affect them personally, or they think that it's a problem for when they are very old and basically dead anyway, and that it won't be bad enough still for them to have to change anything.

cash crab posted:

one the biggest issues, i think, is that most people do not want to hear about it. even people who generally consider themselves as "believing in science" or whatever will fumble through a conversation about climate collapse and sometimes just straight up check out. i know i've brought up this example but i was talking about it with my boss (i work in a bar, so the delineation between staff and management is mostly a formality) and my boss was saying his "retirement plan in five years" (he is 32) is to take heroin. i said i was going to go via death by cop, and he said that sounded too complicated. no, i don't know his username.

anyway, someone else came up and asked what we were talking about, and he explained, and she said, "but that's a problem for our grandchildren, right?" and he laughed, and she walked away. when she came back later she said, "yeah, i believe in that stuff, i just don't want to hear about it." either people don't think it will affect them personally, or they think that it's a problem for when they are very old and basically dead anyway, and that it won't be bad enough still for them to have to change anything.

Cold on a Cob posted:

someone close to me asked me how i'm not in the corner chewing my fingernails to the bone over climate change and i gave them an overview of radical acceptance

i should do a write up of my personal beliefs on all this b/c it's come up a few times now

RC Cola posted:

Something similar happened with me.
My answer is what the gently caress can I do about it. Just live life and lol and lmao until I'm dead and then I don't have to worry about things anymore because I'll be dead

cash crab posted:

"yeah, i believe in that stuff, i just don't want to hear about it."

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

what do people mean by the term "cybernetic capitalism?" i have a vague idea, but would like some clarity

Zodium posted:

to give the briefest possible shape and history of cybernetic capitalism, it's a physical machine made of the material social relations which comprise capital given technological-biological form, using mass communications technology to physically connect humans under its control into a self-regulating complex behavioral system organized around profit. the construction process of the ideological control complex that would go on to link us all into a vast and immane ideology-generating machine began in the early 20th century with theories of advertising, propaganda and public relations, advancing by trial and error through a proto-scientific phase of gradual transition from a disciplinary society managed by biological men to one managed by a biological-mechanical complex. it culminated theoretically in the macy conferences on cybernetics through the late 1940s. the macy conferences, by incorporating electronics, afforded the development of new and more theories of systems control and stability, and marked the beginning of cybernetic capitalism proper. once again, the machine went through a period of trial and error expansion from the 1950s to the 1970s. new control structures grew throughout both business, sowing the seeds of the just-in-time global economy and global bourgeoisie trade networks, and through the military-industrial complex, gradually maturing into institutional forces like nato, the dollar hegemony, and the complex ecosystem of three-letter agencies that work tirelessly to maintain Capital's stability.

a major insight that supplemented the systems theoretic and cybernetic work from the macy conferences and its theoretical successors was james gibson's work on perception. i'll just repeat myself from earlier here as it pertains: people behave to maintain a stable perception, i.e., they act to minimize a threat. one way cybernetic capitalism integrates this into governance is by producing subjects with perceptions so intimately wired to Capital that systemic threats to their person are no longer coupled to behavior unless it also threatens system stability. if the economic system is stable, then they feel safe, and behave to maintain that. only threats to the system and, by extension, the ruling class, are still coupled to behavior. it is not a coincidence our society lost the ability to make decisions with foreseeable effects on the world sometime in the 1980s. the 1970s through the 1990s saw the gradual growth of this system of control into increasingly intimate spheres of individual life, a process that culminated in deleuze's characterization of our selves as "dividuals," beings who only have identity and meaning as participants in generalized market forces.

today, in the social media era, society is no longer managed by biologicals or even biological-electronic cybernetics at all; it is wholly second-order cybernetic, a wholly self-regulating system of market forces participated in by classes of deleuze's dividuals. it doesn't need human intervention, it just works, in the sense a paperclip maximizer works. it generates every possible viewpoint and lets generalized market forces go to town, and we each see what we need to see to maximize novel behaviors. omicron is mild. omicron is severe. it's uncertain, it's clear as day, it's endemic, we could still control it, it depends on every factor imaginable. it's a kind of rule of uncertainty. every variation, every permutation, everything is real and true, because what's really going on is the generation of novel behaviors, not truth discovery or saving lives or any human concepts like that. not at all.

it's an incredibly alien and inhuman machine working according to an alien and inhuman logic. cybernetic capitalism harnesses our opposition and resistance to learn how to produce better subjects and grow more complex and capable. it is ruthlessly efficient, and impossibly stable. i definitely don't think it's going to be brought down by covid, or any external event--in a spherical cow sense, it can by design keep grinding blood and bone to make itself smaller and more stable forever. and yet it's now breaking, or at least in some kind of serious deviation state it can't seem to get out of, and i think it's because there are no longer anyone who stand outside it. (and also china, probably.)

that's why it's not only failing to respond to covid, it's actively maladapting, because there is control in the system, but no longer control of the system. and there are no more possible transformations left. all adaptive behaviors to the threats faced by capital in the 21st century will compromise its stability, so it maladapts. end of the line. there's not going to be "technofeudalism" or any other new stable state of the economy, only accelerating crises for global capital, because it is now impossible for it to respond except by cannibalizing itself until it's forced to recede behind national boundaries. for now, because we're still perceptually coupled to cybernetic capital, we feel paralyzed. even here, we see the world through capital's eyes and speak to each other through capital's mouth. and we are alienated and scared that the system which produced us and our loved ones to reproduce itself, which shaped our perception and reason to serve its stability but which our survival depends on, is visibly spinning out of control.

tuyop posted:

yeah capitalism is you get hosed until you rent everything and own nothing

cybernetic capitalism is when this concept extends to the functions of your body and mind through technology.

Car Hater posted:

Got something like inquisitiveness followed by hard lockup - "You can't know that/as long as there are smart people someone will figure something out"

Confusedslight posted:

I feel like I'm in a stage of radical acceptance mostly. Every now and then I get super down about it all but mostly I'm just trying to make the most of what we still have while we still have it.

Just a Moron posted:

Either that or embrace sex, drugs, and rock n' roll, both are pretty valid.

RC Cola posted:

Something similar happened with me.
My answer is what the gently caress can I do about it. Just live life and lol and lmao until I'm dead and then I don't have to worry about things anymore because I'll be dead

Confusedslight posted:

https://twitter.com/MrMatthewTodd/status/1682540698568884224?s=20

Cold on a Cob posted:

my response to this is "there is also a super good chance there are all kinds of tipping points we haven't even thought of or our attempts to fix this will make things even worse, so i don't dwell on it"

mawarannahr posted:

Uphold Tony Thought