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| 🦋 |
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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
| dragonfly |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
| 🐝 |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Cerebral Bore posted:as far as i can tell from this there are two kinds of monks, the absolute unit and the wizard Some appear to be both
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Jul 22, 2023 22:35
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The big selling point with the t-14 is it can out-range other tanks in relative safety, there is a fair point to be made, it could be easily be a target in a front line situation and if they are going to be used it is at maximum range and behind, not in front, of infantry. Supposedly, the gun fires ATGM on it can hit targets at 12km. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:40 on Jul 22, 2023 |
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Jul 22, 2023 22:37
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Can you even see what you're shooting at 10km away?
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Jul 22, 2023 22:40
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Can you even see what you're shooting at 10km away? missile could be laser guided by a drone at that point, and the missile may not even by on a direct trajectory nor require direct sight from the tank. south korea and israel have similar ammo on their tanks that can be fired without direct los from the tank
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Jul 22, 2023 22:43
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Can you even see what you're shooting at 10km away? You can, but it takes practice. I was always terrible at shooting things, but I kept at it and now I can hit targets at 20km.
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Jul 22, 2023 22:47
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At that point why bother with the tank, just use an artillery piece or put the missile on the drone
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Jul 22, 2023 22:48
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Endman posted:At that point why bother with the tank, just use an artillery piece or put the missile on the drone They do this as well
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Jul 22, 2023 22:52
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Endman posted:At that point why bother with the tank, just use an artillery piece or put the missile on the drone Artillery is indirect fire and doesn’t have the velocity of a directed fired missile or sabot round (only the ATGM is going to be useful at that range), and the problem with heavier drones that can carry ATGMs, is they get shot down fairly often. You can use attack helicopters but they are pretty much doing the same thing just elevated and at higher risk. It is also a platform that isn’t going to be great for everything, but is why older armor is actually still very useful.
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Jul 22, 2023 22:54
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Zeroisanumber posted:I've never understood the whole Russian hate thing. Most Russians are nice people with a hosed up government, same as Americans. dehumanization of the other/stranger is a basic move from the imperialism playbook. nuance to motivate to fight against a state instead of a people requires a more sophisticated approach. “The barbarians are at the gates” is a time honored tactic, but has the problem of making things worse in the long run as the barbarians prove to be rather resourceful and competent somehow in the fighting
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Jul 22, 2023 23:00
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I’m not convinced; T-14 remains expensive capitalist garbage in my eyes compared to superior workers’ tank T-72
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Jul 22, 2023 23:09
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The chad proletarian T-72 and the virgin oligarchic T-14
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Jul 22, 2023 23:11
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Endman posted:I’m not convinced; T-14 remains expensive capitalist garbage in my eyes compared to superior workers’ tank T-72  I suspect it's more a way of keeping the Russian MIC sharp than any serious attempt at replacing the Soviet tanks
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Jul 22, 2023 23:14
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Endman posted:I’m not convinced; T-14 remains expensive capitalist garbage in my eyes compared to superior workers’ tank T-72 The real workers' tank is the T-55. 
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Jul 22, 2023 23:15
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Ardennes posted:Artillery is indirect fire and doesn’t have the velocity of a directed fired missile or sabot round (only the ATGM is going to be useful at that range), and the problem with heavier drones that can carry ATGMs, is they get shot down fairly often. You can use attack helicopters but they are pretty much doing the same thing just elevated and at higher risk.  gonna send this to raytheon and get paid a billion bux
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Jul 22, 2023 23:25
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Ardennes posted:Artillery is indirect fire and doesn’t have the velocity of a directed fired missile or sabot round (only the ATGM is going to be useful at that range), Artillery isn't as high velocity as a direct fire sabot round true. But you were talking about an ATGM that flies 12 km. How fast is this ATGM flying? 152mm rounds exit a hell of a lot faster than ATGMs, which are typically subsonic. So unless the 152mm is going for a very high arc, I'm not sure that a missile would be faster at all out to 12km, and if the missile is, it is by margins so thin that it doesn't matter. If the Armata marketers are saying they have a guided missile that flies 12km, guided by the tank, and the missile goes 12 km faster than a 152mm shell out of a Msta Howitzer, that's getting into some real wondrous weaponry stuff. Especially if the tank that fires it is larger than its peers, but weighs less, but the armor and survivability is still better than the smaller tanks and the heavier tanks.
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Jul 22, 2023 23:32
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Megamissen posted:
You have to take 10mil to produce this as a study then offer to sell them drop shipped quadrotors and laser pens for a billion
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Jul 22, 2023 23:34
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Megamissen posted:
I mean the HIMARS already exist; it just is kind of difficult/wasteful to hit a tank with it.
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Jul 22, 2023 23:37
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Jul 22, 2023 23:38
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Zeroisanumber posted:I've never understood the whole Russian hate thing. Most Russians are nice people with a hosed up government, same as Americans. its war, we're the enemy, sadly its how it generally goes
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Jul 23, 2023 00:04
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BULBASAUR posted:its war, we're the enemy, sadly its how it generally goes Until a new/old enemy pops up, and they are also subhumans that have to crushed at any cost to save civilization. There always has to be someone.
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Jul 23, 2023 00:14
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I understand people from Ukraine hating everyone in Russia circumstances being what they are, and I understand westerners hating the Russian government / army, but I don't get how anyone who isn't a victim in this first hand can blame the average Russian person for what's going on.
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Jul 23, 2023 00:15
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Starsfan posted:I understand people from Ukraine hating everyone in Russia circumstances being what they are, and I understand westerners hating the Russian government / army, but I don't get how anyone who isn't a victim in this first hand can blame the average Russian person for what's going on. I think there was some attempt at that early on, but once the anti-war protests died down, there was no “saving” the Russian people who now deserved their fate.
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Jul 23, 2023 00:17
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BULBASAUR posted:its war, we're the enemy, sadly its how it generally goes You ain't my enemy, goon. Unironically, No War but Class War
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Jul 23, 2023 00:17
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Starsfan posted:I understand people from Ukraine hating everyone in Russia circumstances being what they are, and I understand westerners hating the Russian government / army, but I don't get how anyone who isn't a victim in this first hand can blame the average Russian person for what's going on. There is now a group of people you can openly hate without social consequences, so trash people jump on the bandwagon immediately
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Jul 23, 2023 00:29
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like those psychos in GBS who openly jerk off to people dying because they are now allowed to. Human garbage
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Jul 23, 2023 00:34
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Maybe Tony was right you guys
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Jul 23, 2023 00:36
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Poppers posted:Maybe Tony was right you guys he had some ideas
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Jul 23, 2023 00:37
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no war but class war, however Israeli and Finnish goons on a case by case basis
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Jul 23, 2023 00:37
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mawarannahr posted:no war but class war That's right. I'm sure there are loads of noble orc paladins and clerics out there, we should be focusing on the rogues and warlocks in our own societies first
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Jul 23, 2023 00:44
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From my experience most people believe they're not "against the people" in these sorts of situations, but in practice, and when it comes down to the things that actually matter, they get in line with the party line. Often they have little choice, since going against the narrative is enough to put a target on your back unless its a safe place. Losing your job or reputation isn't something easy to recover from for the sake of strangers across the world. Going through this war has convinced me that say, when the Japanese camps happened or the systematic racism against middle eastern people, many understood.... but they did them anyway. They rolled with it until, a quarter of a century later, academics write books about how it was actually bad, some half important politician apologizes without an actual apology, and during evening conversations over wine people joke about the bad racist times. Except it will all happen again. They themselves would do it under the same circumstances. My apathy here is because I don't really blame the people that do this, though their ignorance and racism still frustrates the hell out of me. It's a tall order to stand up to injustice when its systematized. I have a new found sympathy for people who have lived with this for their entire lives and can't hide in plain sight.
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Jul 23, 2023 00:44
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Slavvy posted:That's right. I'm sure there are loads of noble orc paladins and clerics out there, we should be focusing on the rogues and warlocks in our own societies first Are you calling Russians orcs
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Jul 23, 2023 00:45
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BULBASAUR posted:From my experience most people believe they're not "against the people" in these sorts of situations, but in practice, and when it comes down to the things that actually matter, they get in line with the party line. Often they have little choice, since going against the narrative is enough to put a target on your back unless its a safe place. Losing your job or reputation isn't something easy to recover from for the sake of strangers across the world.
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Jul 23, 2023 00:52
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mawarannahr posted:Ukraine's destiny is to be strong. To be a free part of a free world. Imagine this line being muttered by a certain man in a room by himself, a desperate haunted look in his eyes, as he feverishly does another line of nose flour off his polished wooden desk. Slava cocania.
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Jul 23, 2023 00:53
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DancingShade posted:Imagine this line being muttered by a certain man in a room by himself, a desperate haunted look in his eyes, as he feverishly does another line of nose flour off his polished wooden desk. 
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Jul 23, 2023 00:54
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BULBASAUR posted:From my experience most people believe they're not "against the people" in these sorts of situations, but in practice, and when it comes down to the things that actually matter, they get in line with the party line. Often they have little choice, since going against the narrative is enough to put a target on your back unless its a safe place. Losing your job or reputation isn't something easy to recover from for the sake of strangers across the world. Where I live we've got a lot of Russian and Ukrainian immigrants and the unspoken agreement is that we just don't talk about the war unless it's about someone's family members moving to this or that place. One of my Ukrainian friends has immediate family who moved to Warsaw for the duration except for her mom who's a doctor and stayed because she's a GP and couldn't abandon her patients. And I have Russian friends whose relatives are sitting out the war in Yerevan and others who took jobs in Baku. Regardless of nationality all the stories are about people trying to get the hell out of the way.
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Jul 23, 2023 00:59
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Poppers posted:Are you calling Russians orcs 
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Jul 23, 2023 00:59
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Jul 23, 2023 01:04
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zelenskyy is a fiend
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Jul 23, 2023 01:09
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Nonsense posted:zelenskyy is a fiend 
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Jul 23, 2023 01:10
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big mistake
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