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Speaking of things that have aged poorly, the episodes of the Simpsons set in the future where Lisa Simpson is a stand in for Hillary Clinton. A lot of people thought it was a given Hillary was going to be president one day (including Hillary Clinton herself). Also, I hate how Lisa always has to be right now. She used to be a character that could occasionally be wrong, but now she is basically a mouthpiece for the opinions of the writers, and if you are against what she is saying you must be stupid.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Speaking of things that have aged poorly, the episodes of the Simpsons set in the future where Lisa Simpson is a stand in for Hillary Clinton. A lot of people thought it was a given Hillary was going to be president one day (including Hillary Clinton herself). I also miss stuff like Bart and Lisa teaming up to pull little pranks on Homer or get something they both want. They used to let her be a bit of a brat when she wanted something, and now that characterization is completely gone.
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Jul 21, 2023 06:05
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Speaking of things that have aged poorly, the episodes of the Simpsons set in the future where Lisa Simpson is a stand in for Hillary Clinton. A lot of people thought it was a given Hillary was going to be president one day (including Hillary Clinton herself). The writers were never great at writing women, all the way up to possibly the funniest writer, who sometimes just wouldn't
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Jul 21, 2023 06:33
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:The writers were never great at writing women, all the way up to possibly the funniest writer, who sometimes just wouldn't Damnit Conan, he needs to be less brutally sexist/racist.
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Jul 21, 2023 07:57
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sweet geek swag posted:I also miss stuff like Bart and Lisa teaming up to pull little pranks on Homer or get something they both want. They used to let her be a bit of a brat when she wanted something, and now that characterization is completely gone. The characters are basically unrecognisable by season ten. They all had small character traits gradually emphasised and expanded until those traits became their entire personality.
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Jul 21, 2023 08:50
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TGG posted:Damnit Conan, he needs to be less brutally sexist/racist. His most famous episode was a Marge centered one!
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Jul 21, 2023 09:17
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Tiggum posted:The characters are basically unrecognisable by season ten. They all had small character traits gradually emphasised and expanded until those traits became their entire personality. You mean.....flanderised?
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Jul 21, 2023 09:58
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Ironically Flanders is one of the tamest examples of Flanderization on the show.
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Jul 21, 2023 10:47
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MokBa posted:Ironically Flanders is one of the tamest examples of Flanderization on the show. He was the earliest though. He went from being the Perfect Neighbour who not only had better things but was a better person, to being a hyper-religious doormat whackjob, even during the course of the golden era.
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Jul 21, 2023 10:54
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mind the walrus posted:Having gone through the 90s under men who were all about the male positivity movement and getting in touch with one's feelings, I don't blame the writers of that era for having bad reads and making hack episodes like that Angel episode where a shaman makes all the cops into wussy dudes who can't enforce the law. gently caress that show was weird and that movement sucked. Daria had some fun riffs on how uncomfortable, patronising, smothering and overall cringe that poo poo was to be exposed to as a kid and especially teenager. IShallRiseAgain posted:Speaking of things that have aged poorly, the episodes of the Simpsons set in the future where Lisa Simpson is a stand in for Hillary Clinton. A lot of people thought it was a given Hillary was going to be president one day (including Hillary Clinton herself). Though if it's the episode I'm thinking of that's eerie in its own way as it specifically has her tasked with pulling the USA out of a tailspin after President Trump. (though to be fair seeing where American politics were going Trump was probably inevitable, and he's still just diet Reagan) And she ends up having to borrow stalling tactics from Bart just to buy time because her principles aren't anywhere near enough to cut it in realpolitik. Tenebrais posted:He was the earliest though. He went from being the Perfect Neighbour who not only had better things but was a better person, to being a hyper-religious doormat whackjob, even during the course of the golden era. I have some theories about how that happened mostly because Flanders became the representative of how American Christianity's whole representation changed during the 90s, when the idea of a pious churchgoer being a goofy nice person was replaced by an intolerant fundamentalist nutjob. And they couldn't do it with Lovejoy because his whole joke is being burnt out and uncaring.
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Jul 21, 2023 13:30
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TGG posted:Damnit Conan, he needs to be less brutally sexist/racist. I'm sure you don't ACTUALLY think Conan was who LIVE AMMO COSPLAY was referring to, but in case you were...they're referring to John Swartzwelder.
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Jul 21, 2023 15:20
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Yeah I was bullshitting, I tried to think of the least racist/sexist one who I've actually met.
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BioEnchanted posted:Helen Lovejoy is the worst for that, SUCH a hypocrite. Won't SOMEBODY think of the CHILDREN!?!?
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Jul 21, 2023 18:01
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MokBa posted:Ironically Flanders is one of the tamest examples of Flanderization on the show. Plus he doesn't even really fit the common definition of Flanderization because arguably they didn't just zero in on one aspect of his character, they actually changed it. He really went from being one type of Christian to a different type. It felt like they betrayed the essence of the character for the sake of reflecting what was going on with evangelicals at that cultural moment.
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Jul 21, 2023 20:04
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Sir Lemming posted:Plus he doesn't even really fit the common definition of Flanderization because arguably they didn't just zero in on one aspect of his character, they actually changed it. He really went from being one type of Christian to a different type. It felt like they betrayed the essence of the character for the sake of reflecting what was going on with evangelicals at that cultural moment. Flanders at his core just wants everyone to be happy and safe, even his is fundie stage he's in now. He just doesn't realize that people don't need Jesus or the church to be happy or safe. I think the writers really missed the boat when Maude died to permanently make Homer nice to Flanders but status quo ect.
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Jul 21, 2023 21:09
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Daria had some fun riffs on how uncomfortable, patronising, smothering and overall cringe that poo poo was to be exposed to as a kid and especially teenager.
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Jul 21, 2023 23:28
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Daria had some fun riffs on how uncomfortable, patronising, smothering and overall cringe that poo poo was to be exposed to as a kid and especially teenager. the best scene with lovejoy and flanders is where flanders is confessing he might be coveting his own wife. Lovejoy's reply is, "Have you ever looked at any other religions, Ned? They're all pretty much the same."
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Jul 21, 2023 23:31
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Cowslips Warren posted:the best scene with lovejoy and flanders is where flanders is confessing he might be coveting his own wife. You're confusing two scenes, one is how Lovejoy became the local pastor. One of the actual best jokes from the modern Simpsons era is to call it a Presbolutheranism. Anyways, he gets so ground down by Flanders calling about any minor infraction and not inspiring his flock he just lost the will to care. The response to lovejoy saying all religions are the same is when he calls in hysterics and gibberish because the Simpsons kids aren't baptized.
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Jul 22, 2023 15:58
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Mooseontheloose posted:You're confusing two scenes, one is how Lovejoy became the local pastor. One of the actual best jokes from the modern Simpsons era is to call it a Presbolutheranism. Anyways, he gets so ground down by Flanders calling about any minor infraction and not inspiring his flock he just lost the will to care. ah it has been a while, thanks. i do like how Lovejoy reacts to the end of the world: IT'S ALL OVER PEOPLE, WE HAVEN'T GOT A PRAYER.
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Jul 22, 2023 16:07
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Though if it's the episode I'm thinking of that's eerie in its own way as it specifically has her tasked with pulling the USA out of a tailspin after President Trump. (though to be fair seeing where American politics were going Trump was probably inevitable, and he's still just diet Reagan) I havent seen it recently so I don't quite remember if it holds up, but the episode of The Critic where Duke runs for president takes some great shots at populist politics and Reaganism. I last watched it in 2015 and a lot of it felt awfully familiar
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Jul 22, 2023 16:37
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pretty soft girl posted:I havent seen it recently so I don't quite remember if it holds up, but the episode of The Critic where Duke runs for president takes some great shots at populist politics and Reaganism. I last watched it in 2015 and a lot of it felt awfully familiar Relevant clip.
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Jul 22, 2023 16:41
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Don't sleep on them making "geez, Charles is getting tired of waiting to be King" jokes in 1995.
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I maintain they could have avoided any debacle of self-centered crapitation by just calling Skinner Tanzarian from that point. It's cake and eating.
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Jul 22, 2023 21:44
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Mescal posted:I maintain they could have avoided any debacle of self-centered crapitation by just calling Skinner Tanzarian from that point. It's cake and eating. Feels like that'd be undermining the point though. Plus then you'd have to explain why he's Skinner in earlier seasons and Tanzarian now when the whole point is that Springfield continuity is static.
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Jul 22, 2023 22:52
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the_steve posted:Feels like that'd be undermining the point though. Plus then you'd have to explain why he's Skinner in earlier seasons and Tanzarian now when the whole point is that Springfield continuity is static. So now I'm trying to think of what major events happened in the show that actually changed things and weren't static moments. Ned's wife dying, obviously. Then there's all of Apu's children. What else? Did Barney stay sober? They should have said gently caress it and stuck with Sideshow Bob's mutations/superpowers and Willie losing his eye but eh. Sometimes the status quo is just too strong for even big changes.
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Jul 23, 2023 03:23
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Didn't they lampshade the fact that it's not clear that Homer works at the power plant anymore? Do they ever all go to church on Sundays?
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Jul 23, 2023 03:28
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Vandar posted:Ned's wife dying, obviously. Then there's all of Apu's children. What else? Did Barney stay sober? A background gag revealed he fell off the wagon a bit later. Actually it was a pretty good example of how to keep the status quo while still acknowledging developments in other episodes.
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Jul 23, 2023 03:37
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Vandar posted:So now I'm trying to think of what major events happened in the show that actually changed things and weren't static moments. Lisa has remained a vegetarian. I think Mrs. Krabappel died at some point, but that was because the actor died.
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Jul 23, 2023 03:39
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I AM GRANDO posted:I think Mrs. Krabappel died at some point, but that was because the actor died. Eventually this will be true for every character
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Jul 23, 2023 04:51
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Tree Bucket posted:Eventually this will be true for every character Yeah, but by then, the studios will have won the AI wars.
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Jul 23, 2023 04:54
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Ari Folman's The Congress was a warning.
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Jul 23, 2023 05:01
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I’ve not watched The Simpsons in many years - did they get rid of Apu as was insinuated after that one guy complained he was a racial stereotype?
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Jul 23, 2023 05:02
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Zaroff posted:I’ve not watched The Simpsons in many years - did they get rid of Apu as was insinuated after that one guy complained he was a racial stereotype? I think he's an unvoiced background character now, since the VA stepped away from the role and hasn't been replaced.
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Jul 23, 2023 05:10
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Zaroff posted:I’ve not watched The Simpsons in many years - did they get rid of Apu as was insinuated after that one guy complained he was a racial stereotype? Looks like it, yeah quote:In early 2020, Azaria announced that he was stepping away from the Apu character, primarily because of the stereotypes and bias it perpetuated.[46] quote:The final time that Azaria voiced Apu was in the season 29 premiere "The Serfsons" in 2017; since then, Apu has appeared as a background character.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Didn't they lampshade the fact that it's not clear that Homer works at the power plant anymore? Several times, my favorite being in the "Maude dies" episode:  
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Jul 23, 2023 09:10
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Tree Bucket posted:Eventually this will be true for every character Didn't stop Mr. Burns, Lunchlady Doris, Manjula, Martin, or Sherri and Terri. Apparently they brought back Bleeding Gums Murphy too?
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Jul 23, 2023 21:17
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Baron von Eevl posted:Apparently they brought back Bleeding Gums Murphy too? He was brought back as a hologram.
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Baron von Eevl posted:Didn't stop Mr. Burns, Lunchlady Doris, Manjula, Martin, or Sherri and Terri. Blows my mind that Starscream was the original Mr. Burns. Cartoon history probably would have been really different if he hadn’t overdosed. EDIT: also apparently Chris Latta was fired from voicing Mr. Burns before he died, probably because the drugs made him hard to work with. I AM GRANDO has a new favorite as of 02:04 on Jul 24, 2023 |
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I AM GRANDO posted:Blows my mind that Starscream was the original Mr. Burns. Cartoon history probably would have been really different if he hadn’t overdosed. He was also fired from being Moe, but they just fuckin threw his takes away. Supposedly they thought he did a fine job they just all hated working with him so they hired Hank Azaria instead.
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i remember there was some panel with the Transformers voice actors, and someone asked Peter Cullen about working with Chris Latta. In true Prime fashion, Cullen said something like the industry could be horrible to people, and that was all he'd say. No smack talk, no insults to Latta, etc.
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