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Seems like a good faith contract to me. He gets ~3M more than he would’ve on the tag this year. (Which IIUC is also $1M more than a 20% bumped second tag next year.) The Giants get more cap flexibility this year and next offseason. Both sides wanted him to be in camp and now he will be. And it all got done very quickly. I am surprised but deignted by this news. Hooray Joe Schoen. Hooray beer!
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Nodoze posted:Getting them on the WR tag won't do anything except get them released and have to accept lesser FA contracts what now? an RB market where the franchise tag isn't ~$10m wouldn't fix everything by any means, but it would absolutely impact the market for the position in free agency. if teams didn't at least value their RBs at the level of the franchise tag then no one would be using it on them RASHIBA WALLACE posted:Seems like a good faith contract to me. He gets ~3M more than he would’ve on the tag this year. (Which IIUC is also $1M more than a 20% bumped second tag next year.) The Giants get more cap flexibility this year and next offseason. Both sides wanted him to be in camp and now he will be. And it all got done very quickly. I am surprised but deignted by this news. Hooray Joe Schoen. Hooray beer! it's a great deal for NYG as a team but where are you getting an additional $3m? the $2m signing bonus is not additional money, it's expedited money e: this keeps on getting worse https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/1683826090253361153 stuker fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Jul 25, 2023 |
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Oh I thought a signing bonus was additional instant money that didn’t count against the cap. In that case he’s getting what would be next year’s bumped tag value. Not as good of a deal (and less than what they offered mid season last year allegedly) and yeah without a no-tag clause he could be screwed again next year. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that again E: oof yeah having all of his incentives be tied to making the playoffs is even worse. I mean they certainly see themselves as contenders, trading for Waller and such. But Saquon better hope this isn’t another 2016->2017 situation for em elime anning fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jul 25, 2023 |
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He should've sat out all of camp and then played on the tag. This deal is pretty insulting lolRASHIBA WALLACE posted:Oh I thought a signing bonus was additional instant money that didn’t count against the cap. In that case he’s getting what would be next year’s bumped tag value. Not as good of a deal (and less than what they offered mid season last year allegedly) and yeah without a no-tag clause he could be screwed again next year. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that again He's 100% getting screwed next year lol. If he has a good year they will just tag him again and if he gets hurt again which is likely, he's going to get nothing. But then again Dalvin Cook is better and younger than Barkley and he's gonna have to play for like 6M this year.
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Nodoze posted:Getting them on the WR tag won't do anything except get them released and have to accept lesser FA contracts If they'd have to accept lesser FA contracts they wouldn't be franchising them. It makes 0 sense for the best RB's in their prime years to be cheaper then WR's like Michael Gallup or Corey Davis
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stuker posted:what now? an RB market where the franchise tag isn't ~$10m wouldn't fix everything by any means, but it would absolutely impact the market for the position in free agency. if teams didn't at least value their RBs at the level of the franchise tag then no one would be using it on them he's screwed
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mcmagic posted:He should've sat out all of camp and then played on the tag. This deal is pretty insulting lol Cook is almost two years older than Barkley.
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i'm convinced the 20% kicker must have gotten included in the new deal because i don't believe anyone can be so blind as to negotiate a contract without realizing you're giving up a likely $2m for that
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stuker posted:i'm convinced the 20% kicker must have gotten included in the new deal because i don't believe anyone can be so blind as to negotiate a contract without realizing you're giving up a likely $2m for that Every tag has that requirement, by raising his salary to the FT number this year, tagging him next year would still require the 20% bump.
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MrLogan posted:Cook is almost two years older than Barkley. You're right. IDK why it feels like Barkley has been around forever.....
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Is he in deep to loan sharks and just really needs 2 mil or something?
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MrLogan posted:Cook is almost two years older than Barkley. And also beat his girlfriend (not that that is an issue to most NFL GMs)
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Kalli posted:Every tag has that requirement, by raising his salary to the FT number this year, tagging him next year would still require the 20% bump. i'm not a lawyer so i'm sure there's something i'm missing, but i thought that the 20% kicker only applies for two consecutive franchise tags? if next year's deal is his first agreement to the traditional franchise tag, NYG doesn't have any obligation to provide him with a 20% raise from this deal because he did not play the 23-24 season under a franchise tag (even if it's effectively the same)
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stuker posted:i'm not a lawyer so i'm sure there's something i'm missing, but i thought that the 20% kicker only applies for two consecutive franchise tags? if next year's deal is his first agreement to the traditional franchise tag, NYG doesn't have any obligation to provide him with a 20% raise from this deal because he did not play the 23-24 season under a franchise tag (even if it's effectively the same) Nah, the way the franchise tag works is it's the calculated number based on existing contracts or 120% of the previous year's salary, whichever is greater. It's just that since virtually every NFL contract has signing bonus / roster bonus numbers all over the place, the salary is rarely high enough for that to come into play outside of if they were just franchised.
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The gently caress? He didn't play last year. He's 37 He had 14 catches 2 years ago.
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Kalli posted:Nah, the way the franchise tag works is it's the calculated number based on existing contracts or 120% of the previous year's salary, whichever is greater. It's just that since virtually every NFL contract has signing bonus / roster bonus numbers all over the place, the salary is rarely high enough for that to come into play outside of if they were just franchised. makes sense, but if signing bonus/roster bonus money is excepted from that won't he still be in the same situation now that he's receiving $2m up front?
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Assuming he doesn't make the 53 he gets to retire as a Saint instead of the typically ceremonial 1 day contract.
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mcmagic posted:He should've sat out all of camp and then played on the tag. This deal is pretty insulting lol Dalvin Cook will be lucky to get the vet min, let alone 6 mil
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Dalvin Cook will be lucky to get the vet min, let alone 6 mil lol
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Dalvin Cook will be lucky to get the vet min, let alone 6 mil He already has offers from NE, MIA and NYJ that are above vet minimum
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Amy Pole Her posted:He already has offers from NE, MIA and NYJ that are above vet minimum Don’t the Jets have Breece Hall? Did he get hurt? I assume Dalvin isn’t…Cooked lol
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Kalli posted:If they'd have to accept lesser FA contracts they wouldn't be franchising them. It makes 0 sense for the best RB's in their prime years to be cheaper then WR's like Michael Gallup or Corey Davis I'm saying if the franchise tag number on RB was higher than it is now, no one is ever going to franchise tag a RB and they will just let them go and draft a new guy. RB free agent contracts already are not high, if more of them flood the market it isn't going to go up
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Nodoze posted:I'm saying if the franchise tag number on RB was higher than it is now, no one is ever going to franchise tag a RB and they will just let them go and draft a new guy. RB free agent contracts already are not high, if more of them flood the market it isn't going to go up The only RBs getting FA contracts right now are the ones that are either mediocre or have been run into the ground. The good RBs get franchised until they’re run into the ground which is part of why the contracts for FAs are so low, because good and still fresh RBs don’t hit the FA market. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jul 25, 2023 |
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Nodoze posted:I'm saying if the franchise tag number on RB was higher than it is now, no one is ever going to franchise tag a RB and they will just let them go and draft a new guy. RB free agent contracts already are not high, if more of them flood the market it isn't going to go up RB free agent contracts aren't high because they die in their mid-upper 20's which you can hold onto them through a rookie contract + 2 franchise tags if needed. If you make it so they effectively can't be franchised, then you'll see RB's get your typical extensions after year 3 to lock them up until their late 20's and then they're toast, and in the process the best ones would start seeing contracts approaching mid-2nd tier WR contracts instead of 3rd-4th tier ones like they're reduced to now. Teams do value RB's, two just got drafted highly, a hella expensive one was traded for roughly the value of a 1st last year and 3 were franchised this offseason. Teams value young, productive running backs. It's just the rest of the FA market for RB's is trash because the good ones are dead by the time they hit FA.
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Nodoze posted:I'm saying if the franchise tag number on RB was higher than it is now, no one is ever going to franchise tag a RB and they will just let them go and draft a new guy. RB free agent contracts already are not high, if more of them flood the market it isn't going to go up the objective in raising the franchise tag number for RBs isn't to have tagged deals drive up the average RB salary; it would be to discourage the use of the franchise tag so those players are part of the free agency class raising that number does mean there will be more RBs in the market, but the players who get freed up like this will also be setting the market for a top-tier RB. NYG (or anyone else) may decide they'd rather get a young guy than paying more/longer for the guy they would have tagged, but now there are 31 other teams involved in setting that price it's really just the dynamics of free agency in the NFL (and hell the draft too)-- the value of new contracts is highly dependent on the alternative players available and the franchise tag ensures that top talents at the position are not available stuker fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jul 25, 2023 |
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The RB market is just poo poo, I doubt Barkley would even make 10.1MM a year in free agency. Teams are learning that RB second contracts never really work out.
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Why did they keep calling the NFL's championship game "The Super Bowl" after the AFL-NFL merger? Seems like they should've just reverted back to calling it "The NFL Championship Game" since it was no longer a unifying championship game between two separate leagues.
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Kalli posted:RB free agent contracts aren't high because they die in their mid-upper 20's which you can hold onto them through a rookie contract + 2 franchise tags if needed. If you make it so they effectively can't be franchised, then you'll see RB's get your typical extensions after year 3 to lock them up until their late 20's and then they're toast, and in the process the best ones would start seeing contracts approaching mid-2nd tier WR contracts instead of 3rd-4th tier ones like they're reduced to now. I hope Frank Gore realizes his boxing career isn't going anywhere and comes back to keep gaining three+ yards a carry just to do his part helping out proving old RBs are at least somewhat useful. Depending on circumstances.
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General Dog posted:Why did they keep calling the NFL's championship game "The Super Bowl" after the AFL-NFL merger? Seems like they should've just reverted back to calling it "The NFL Championship Game" since it was no longer a unifying championship game between two separate leagues. Because "Super Bowl" loving rocks and even the dummies back then knew it.
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