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The Saddest Rhino: Apr 29, 2009; Put it all together.
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oh my god i never even thought of unpacking the... file called a PACKAGE file let me try that lmao...

# ? Jul 23, 2023 04:56

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# ? May 9, 2024 08:54

Quackles: Aug 11, 2018; Pixels of Light.

I'd also try getting Snow Leopard (10.6) and installing that. The mac may need that to start, then it can software update from there.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:03

The Saddest Rhino: Apr 29, 2009; Put it all together.
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holy poo poo piss this may be working

# ? Jul 23, 2023 05:40

The Saddest Rhino: Apr 29, 2009; Put it all together.
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I've solved it! I don't think it was the most optimal way of doing it, but I got it done! Silly Burrito pointed me at the right direction but it wasn't the actual ultimate solution, because it still led to issues:

1. Downloading "Install macOS High Sierra.app"

This was not as straightforward as going to Apple's page as suggested. I found a blogpost explaining how it's done at https://osxdaily.com/2017/09/27/download-complete-macos-high-sierra-installer/ , but basically

(a) Get the MacOS High Sierra Patch Tool at http://dosdude1.com/highsierra/
(b) Download the file by doing this:

This eliminated the need to unpackage the .pkg file, which unpkg was giving me trouble as well.

2. Making a bootable USB stick

I tried the patch tool mentioned above, and Install Disk Creator as Burrito suggested, but both of these gave me errors. I ultimately fell back to my original reddit solution of

code:

 cd /Applications/Install\ macOS\ High\ Sierra.app/Contents/Resources/
codesign -s - -f createinstallmedia

sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ High\ Sierra.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/MyVolume

3. Installing the drat thing

loving finally. Now it's just to find out if I can even install chrome or firefox on this thing! Thanks all

# ? Jul 23, 2023 08:42

Silly Burrito: Nov 27, 2007; SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT

Awesome, glad it worked!!

# ? Jul 23, 2023 12:46

C2C - 2.0: May 14, 2006; Dubs In The Key Of Life; Lipstick Apathy

The Saddest Rhino posted:

...words...

I know under certain conditions (which I don't remember but which happened more than once on my old '12 MBP), flattening & reinstalling meant I had to first install the original OS it shipped with (Mountain Lion, I think), then upgrade a few times until I got to Catalina. That's my only "reinstall the OS" experience with Apple (fingers crossed my M1 MBP doesn't have to jump thru those hoops in a worst-case scenario) & it was somewhat annoying.

C2C - 2.0 fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Jul 23, 2023

# ? Jul 23, 2023 13:01

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

I'm guessing it was missing a load of firmware updates which made the whole process a lot more difficult than it needed to be. Make sure you run software update a load until nothing is left and then try stepping through to the latest supported OS release if High Sierra isn't it.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 13:15

Maxwell Lord: Dec 12, 2008; I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.; Grimey Drawer

(EDIT: This should go to Tech Support sorry bye)

Maxwell Lord fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jul 23, 2023

# ? Jul 23, 2023 21:31

The Grumbles: Jun 5, 2006

MuadDib Atreides posted:

what actually is Arc? What does it do? The website doesn't explain

It�s a web browser that treats websites more like apps, which in practice means that rather than an address bar at the top you have a sidebar where you can pin things like your gmail or YouTube to be web apps that are constantly running in the background.

It also stacks your tabs into two categories separated by a line. Tabs above the line are basically bookmarked, and tabs below the line get deleted after 24 hours. You also have separate workspaces that you can quickly flip between, and a fancy copy/paste zone where you can scoop our entire chunks of website (and have them still work as live web content like a little window into the original website.

It�s very easy to move tabs and between workspaces and the navigation and gesture controls are all intuitive and fluid. Looks nice too. It all ends up feeling like an operating system for websites. So I�d say for work you just use a ton of web apps like gdocs and social media managers and Wordpress or whatever it�s a nice way to navigate and manage all that.

I agree, they don�t explain it well, and the media blitz they did earlier this year made it all seem a lot more vague and confusing. It�s a web browser that treats tabs and bookmarks as interchangeable and manages them in a more intuitive way. That�s really it.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 22:04

Corb3t: Jun 7, 2003

MuadDib Atreides posted:

what actually is Arc? What does it do? The website doesn't explain

My previous impressions/comments on Arc, and 5 more invites.

Corb3t posted:

macOS-only (coming to Windows later this year) Chromium-based browser that is attempting to shake up expectations around what a browser does. It has some Pretty cool features outlined here.

One of my favorite features, Boosts, let you Un-Enshittify many websites with ease, making them halfway useful again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z9bq_Q9qqk

I personally love Arc's powerful Command Bar.

You can even directly search sites from it:
https://twitter.com/browsercompany/status/1646580021858037760?s=20

Corb3t posted:

Edit: Invites used, will post more next week.

I made the switch to Arc as my primary browser this week after using Firefox for the last year or two. Arc still feels noticeably snappier than Firefox, and appears to use less battery life as well.

It took me a couple days to get used to the sidebar navigation layout, but I love that I can use my trackpad or horizontal scroll wheel on my mouse to jump between different spaces/profiles - I setup 3 different spaces with 3 different profiles (Personal, Work, Hobbies), and now I can easily jump to my ~20-30 pinned tabs in seconds.

Arc boosts are also really fun to play with, there's even an online community of boosts that de-enshittify many social networks.

I made an effort to reduce my extensions drastically, as well - I've only installed 1Password, Choosy, Raindrop.io, TrackMeNot, and AdNauseum instead of your standard Ublock.

Other nice features include Being able to search a specific site from the search bar, the ability to easily right/bottom split another window, as well as Arc's mini video player - the way it pops up when you go to another tab with full controls is really nice.

Really, the only thing I miss from Firefox is their Bookmark keywords, which allowed me to assign a shortcut to my bookmarks.

# ? Jul 23, 2023 22:33

Warbird: May 23, 2012; America's Favorite Dumbass

What is the go to smooth scrolling app to make normal people mice not feel terrible? Smoothscroll seems nice but doesn�t play nice with BTT. Also I�m not paying :10bux:

a drat year for a scrolling app.

# ? Jul 24, 2023 21:05

101: Oct 15, 2012; Vault Dweller

Warbird posted:

What is the go to smooth scrolling app to make normal people mice not feel terrible? Smoothscroll seems nice but doesn�t play nice with BTT. Also I�m not paying a drat year for a scrolling app.

SteerMouse. It's a one time purchase and has a free trial, I believe

# ? Jul 24, 2023 21:21

Corb3t: Jun 7, 2003

How about Mac Mouse Fix

# ? Jul 24, 2023 21:23

Mercurius: May 4, 2004; Amp it up.

mos is another good free option that does smooth scrolling and also allows you to invert the mouse scroll separate to the trackpad.

# ? Jul 24, 2023 22:41

SweetMercifulCrap!: Jan 28, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Thank for the EQ recommendations earlier in the thread!

And the scrolling recommendations. I can't stand the Magic Mouse and the fact that you can't force macOS to treat a regular scroll wheel as "1 wheel click = X number of lines" like Windows is probably the most frustrating thing about macOS for me. It attempts to simulate touch scrolling, but my brain always interprets it as input lag.

# ? Jul 24, 2023 23:19

101: Oct 15, 2012; Vault Dweller

SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

And the scrolling recommendations. I can't stand the Magic Mouse and the fact that you can't force macOS to treat a regular scroll wheel as "1 wheel click = X number of lines" like Windows is probably the most frustrating thing about macOS for me. It attempts to simulate touch scrolling, but my brain always interprets it as input lag.

Pretty much all the mouse software mentioned (I can only speak to SteerMouse as I haven't tried the others in months since I settled on it) will have the option to scroll number of lines. I have it set to 5

# ? Jul 24, 2023 23:26

Binary Badger: Oct 11, 2005; Trolling Link for a decade

Ventura 13.5, Monterey 12.6.8 and Big Sur 11.7.9 were released today :siren:

Like anyone cares, the above updates are available through Software Update.

There's an issue with Mac Pros not mounting SATA drives after sleep that was supposedly fixed in Ventura 13.5.

# ? Jul 24, 2023 23:39

Clark Nova: Jul 18, 2004

I care, OP :kiddo:

# ? Jul 25, 2023 00:11

FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
sexually

Clark Nova posted:

I care, OP

Me too.

# ? Jul 25, 2023 00:18

Canned Sunshine: Nov 20, 2005; CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Binary Badger posted:

Ventura 13.5, Monterey 12.6.8 and Big Sur 11.7.9 were released today

Like anyone cares, the above updates are available through Software Update.

There's an issue with Mac Pros not mounting SATA drives after sleep that was supposedly fixed in Ventura 13.5.

I think that was just for the 2024 ASi Mac Pros, for the 5 people who bought them! :haw:

# ? Jul 25, 2023 00:40

Corb3t: Jun 7, 2003

SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

And the scrolling recommendations. I can't stand the Magic Mouse and the fact that you can't force macOS to treat a regular scroll wheel as "1 wheel click = X number of lines" like Windows is probably the most frustrating thing about macOS for me. It attempts to simulate touch scrolling, but my brain always interprets it as input lag.

I actually use third party mouse software so I can make my scrolling as smooth as possible - I�ve even turned off the ratchet scrolling on my MX Master 3. It�s certainly not for everybody.

Ideally, I�d just buy a magic trackpad and keep it to the left of my keyboard just so I can easily use MacBook-like gestures at my desk - I hate not having access to per-app four finger gestures that let me jump between tabs in most apps.

# ? Jul 25, 2023 01:34

Binary Badger: Oct 11, 2005; Trolling Link for a decade

Ok I'll stop saying no one cares

At the moment even I care a little as it turns out I can't apply the Rapid Security Updates on my MP 5,1 and a couple of 2012 machines running Ventura 13.4.1 because they require (at least) Haswell CPUs; this means no pre-2013 models including the TrashCan Pro) the full point releases don't require them for some reason which I am sure someone in the know will come along and explain..

# ? Jul 25, 2023 02:46

The Grumbles: Jun 5, 2006

Hey Arc fans just to say I switched back to it this week and it seems like whatever was making it super resource intensive before is now fixed. It's no longer making my MBA suspiciously warm, and it's stopped showing up as 'using significant energy' on the battery monitor. So I'm jumping back in!

Also, the upcoming macos update will apparently let other browsers use your keychain info. Does anyone know if this is already in the MacOS beta? If so, is it implemented in Arc?

Lack of Keychain support is still the one thing that's stopping this from effortlessly becoming my main browser. They always highlight it in their newsletter as a big bit of user feedback so they're clearly aware of it.

Oh and I also miss the pinch to show all tabs gesture from safari. But I guess this browser's whole deal is to dissuade you from having more tabs open than you need anyhow.

edit: wait never mind it's still guzzlin' battery way more than Safari. hmmm.

The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Jul 25, 2023

# ? Jul 25, 2023 11:08

101: Oct 15, 2012; Vault Dweller

The Grumbles posted:

Also, the upcoming macos update will apparently let other browsers use your keychain info. Does anyone know if this is already in the MacOS beta? If so, is it implemented in Arc?

Lack of Keychain support is still the one thing that's stopping this from effortlessly becoming my main browser. They always highlight it in their newsletter as a big bit of user feedback so they're clearly aware of it.

Supposedly, when you have the Sonoma beta installed, then the "iCloud Passwords" extension will allow you to use Keychain in Chromium browsers. Firefox support is coming later.

# ? Jul 25, 2023 11:32

The Grumbles: Jun 5, 2006

Oh, great. I hope it's not as terrible as the one they've had out for a while for Windows PCs. On the Windows extension, any time you want to enter a password, you need to click the keychain button, and then enter an authorization code given to you by a pop-up. It's real clunky. Hoping this one will be a little more slick.

# ? Jul 25, 2023 11:36

101: Oct 15, 2012; Vault Dweller

Arc is now at 1.0, and no longer has a waitlist fyi

# ? Jul 25, 2023 15:37

natlampe: Jul 10, 2001

101 posted:

Arc is now at 1.0, and no longer has a waitlist fyi

They write that they care about privacy, so what is their business model exactly? Will there be a premium version?

# ? Jul 25, 2023 16:10

The Grumbles: Jun 5, 2006

natlampe posted:

They write that they care about privacy, so what is their business model exactly? Will there be a premium version?

This... is a really good question. My baseless speculation would be that they're going for some big payout from Google for default search engine privileges once the user base is big enough (Firefox mostly survives because Google pays them half a billion dollars a year for this). Or maybe they're hoping to get bought by a bigger fish? Interviews make all their goals seem kind of lofty, and using the browser feels kind of like what chromebooks should have felt like. So maybe there comes a point where it's a lightweight web based OS for whatever the chromebooks of tomorrow look like?

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVda3zFLlhc oh they've got a video answering that here. Ideas mentioned are paid Arc for Teams and a user generated market for boosts (their actually kind of cool feature that lets you tweak whatever you want in live websites). There's also this interview https://www.protocol.com/browser-company where they say 'it's too early, we're a startup', but also mention search licensing (the google thing I mentioned above)

The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jul 25, 2023

# ? Jul 25, 2023 16:24

Binary Badger: Oct 11, 2005; Trolling Link for a decade

https://twitter.com/rsgnl/status/1683857096654176257

How times change..

# ? Jul 25, 2023 20:18

Clark Nova: Jul 18, 2004

lol I remember pirating an ipod touch ios major version upgrade back in the day

# ? Jul 26, 2023 14:42

Grassy Knowles: Apr 4, 2003; "The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Wikipedia posted:

Apple later allowed free downloads of the OS, especially for customers of older and no longer officially supported Macintosh computers, starting on June 30, 2021.

Lmao that mustve pleased like 7 whole nerds

# ? Jul 26, 2023 14:54

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Never understood why Apple charged for OS upgrades considering they were basically a big hardware copy protection dongle

# ? Jul 26, 2023 17:28

Grassy Knowles: Apr 4, 2003; "The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Thanks Ants posted:

Never understood why Apple charged for OS upgrades considering they were basically a big hardware copy protection dongle

Iirc it was some sort of legal/contractual stipulation that required mountain lion and updates prior to it to cost $, maybe preventative action to avoid some weird antitrust exposure?

# ? Jul 26, 2023 17:37

BonoMan: Feb 20, 2002; Jade Ear Joe

Thanks Ants posted:

Did your new ISP provide you with IPv6 and your firewall was previously configured to use IPv6 where available so is now announcing IPv6 prefixes into your network?

Coming back to this. It was a simple solution... it was actually NOT connected to the general Wifi we use, but rather a walled off guest Wifi for some VR devices. CompanyVR vs CompanyVP was the SID and I just misread it in the dropdown.

All good!

# ? Jul 26, 2023 17:37

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

Grassy Knowles posted:

Iirc it was some sort of legal/contractual stipulation that required mountain lion and updates prior to it to cost $, maybe preventative action to avoid some weird antitrust exposure?

Yeah it�s something weird like this and I think the same thing applied to iPhone OS�s first update too

# ? Jul 26, 2023 18:26

Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

It was quite a sea change just getting it down to :20bux:

when prior to that any OS upgrade would cost upwards of $129 thanks to the Windows precedent.

Great way to ensure people stay with outdated software forever

# ? Jul 27, 2023 14:33

Corb3t: Jun 7, 2003

I don't even think OSX updates had any sort of license or product key back then - I sure as hell wasn't paying any money to upgrade my 2005 PowerBook's OS while I was in college.

# ? Jul 27, 2023 18:58

Grassy Knowles: Apr 4, 2003; "The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Corb3t posted:

I don't even think OSX updates had any sort of license or product key back then - I sure as hell wasn't paying any money to upgrade my 2005 PowerBook's OS while I was in college.

I think there was also a long period where products purchased within it would not pay for updates because it was included as a line item in the final purchase price.

# ? Jul 27, 2023 19:01

JAY ZERO SUM GAME: Oct 18, 2005; Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

i have an insane question

I swear to god music sounds better from my M1 macbook pro than it does from my iphone 11. Using beats fit pro.

impossible to describe, it just sounds more full. i've switched back and forth with the same track, the difference is obvious. the equalizer is off on my phone, and i don't know of such a thing on my macbook

is there a setting or something somewhere i'm missing...??

# ? Jul 27, 2023 22:26

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# ? May 9, 2024 08:54

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

macOS can apparently do the aptX codec if the headphones support it, iPhone cannot. I don't know if your headphones can.

# ? Jul 27, 2023 22:31

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