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sullat
Jan 9, 2012

InediblePenguin posted:

Religious dietary restrictions can be extremely varied even between smaller groups of the same religion, and religions other than Christianity, Judaism and Islam exist, and fasting and semi-fasting with more restrictive diets can be found all over in many variations, and here's a random and totally non-exhaustive list of examples which includes a bunch of religions whose worshippers have weekly fast days where they can't partake of specific substances but can still eat in general https://thrivemeetings.com/2018/01/religious-dietary-restrictions-guide, so i think we can probably accept that the wife knows her own religion and isn't lying about (nonspecific "you") your own ideas of what Jewish people eat or something?

I just think it's a lot more likely that she's Muslim than an extremely devout Jew who follows the obscure fast days and yet is married to someone outside the sect.

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Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
AITA for refusing to follow my husband's ex-wife's rules for our stepkids regarding food?

quote:

My husband's ex-wife, who I'll call Kate for simplicity, and my husband/I have been feuding for the last few weeks to the point she's threatening to take us back to court about custody arrangements over her food rules.

I will preface by saying, none of the kids (10F, 13M) have food intolerance or allergies. Kate has read a lot of alternative medicine blogs and genuinely believes a bunch of myths like food combining and gut biome related. At first, we tried to accomodate her concerns as it was coming from a place of love for the kids but the list has grown to a point my husband and I are no longer able to follow them all and have given up.

Some food rules include:

No fruit after 5pm

No liquids directly before a meal or while eating or shortly after eating

No ice cold drinks, only cool or lukewarm

No non-natural sugars

No FODMAP foods

No combining starches/carbs

15 minutes of digestion sitting time after every meal

No gluten at all


There are way more rules than this, we have a google document that she updates with new rules and hyperlinks to "studies" that show why its important that the stepkids follow these rules.

The reason why I wonder if we're being an rear end in a top hat for not following these rules is the history between Kate and my husband.

My husband's third child with Kate passed away at a very young age due to complications from an allergy. They had left the three kids with Kate's niece as a babysitter, and their youngest son had an allergic reaction. No one knew that 3M was allergic to anything, and the cousin mistakenly thought an allergic reaction was just being ill and gave him benadryl to help him sleep it off. It was what lead to their marriage breakdown, and Kate has been very fearful about what the other two kids eat ever since.

My MIL is firmly on Kate's side and has been berating my husband and myself for not following Kate's rules regarding food. But my children/my husbands stepkids (10M, 15F) don't follow these rules obviously, and its making all meals impossible to handle. 10F, 13M hate following these rules when my children don't, and my husband and I don't think its fair for my children to have to eat this restrictive diet.

AITA for not following Kate's food rules for her kids when they're at our place?




AITA for being sarcastic with another parent

quote:

I(21M) am a single dad to my daughter(5F). Her mom is very inconsistent in her life, when it's things like Christmas, birthday, she shows up and it's all sunshine and unicorns, but otherwise, she can't be bothered, too busy pursuing the " normal 20s" she so craved.

This past weekend my daughter was invited to a birthday party, the parents were invited, and more or less, encouraged to stay.

I had nothing better to do so, I stayed.

Most of the parents I knew, but there were a few I didn't.

At this point, I'm used to watching people work out the age math in real time. I've explained that I know I'm young, but, I'd like to think I deserve some kudos for being 5 years in, and I'd like to think I'm not totally incompetent.

About a half hour in and this lady comes up to me, asks which one is mine. I pointed my daughter Morgan out. I ask which is hers, she points her daughter out.

She goes, " So, are you an older cousin pulling chauffeur duty or a step-brother or..."

I said that I was Morgan's dad. Shocked look, which she quickly tried to get rid. She asks if Morgan's mom was at this party too, I said she wasn't and told her I was a single dad, I didn't want to get all specific and say Morgan's mom only shows up when it's fun days like birthday & Christmas.

This lady goes, " Jeez, and, you know what you're doing?"

I said that I take it day by day, situation by situation.

She goes, " You really have to know what you're doing."

I told her I understood.

She asks me what my plan is if I started to " slip" as a parent.

I told her my plan is to drive Morgan into the woods, tape $20 dollars to her wrist, give her a hearty handshake, wish her good luck and tell her to run free.

Lady gets mad, tells me she asked a legitimate question and said she hopes that my clear lack of maturity doesn't seep into my parenting.

I walked over to Morgan, gave her a big hug, told her I loved her, and kept it moving.

AITA?

from comments:

quote:

sh1tsawantsays
NTA. The money taped to her wrist really demonstrates that you have more parenting sense than the nosy, presuming AH that was talking to you. Maybe she will learn to stop being such a judgemental twit, but probably not.


ThrowRAheadinpain
OP

hey, if anyone is going to get my entire life's savings, it should be my daughter

Cowslips Warren fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jul 25, 2023

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

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Poor Kate needs SO MUCH therapy :(
She's doing that thing where she's trying to defuse her (understandable) chronic anxiety about her kids' safety by 'feeding' it what it wants, and that will only ever make the anxiety get hungrier.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Cowslips Warren posted:

AITA for being sarcastic with another parent

from comments:

I love this guy. Can he be my new dad?

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Runcible Cat posted:

I love this guy. Can he be my new dad?

Between the three of us, we each get about $7 so I am down for it.


AITA for telling my SIL she's not allowed around my daughter again after she humiliated her over food?

quote:

My SIL is very hard up right now and has been going to food banks to feed her, my brother and the kids. She works part time and takes care of my brother (car accident, partially temporarily paralyzed). They are waiting for insurance to kick in to pay for his medical bills, an on call nurse and PT. Since she moved to part time and is hard up with money, she offered to babysit my daughter (11) for extra cash. I offered to give her $250 a week, day care prices. She agreed.

Now, since I know they have been going to food banks, I have been providing my daughter food every day I send her there so my SIL doesn't have to worry about it. Usually a couple sandwiches and snacks. However, I get a text from my daughter yesterday saying my SIL humiliated her and made her feel stupid over taking food. I guess my daughter was still hungry after eating all the food I packed (she just had a ADHD med change and I guess it peaked her appetite) and she went inside and ended up eating a bunch of food and my SIL lost it because it was "all they had" (they were having a pool party so everyone was outside and didn't see her take the food). Told my daughter to get outside. So I immediately leave work and come to investigate and find my SIL inside with her head in her hands. I ask what happened and she wouldn't even look at me. I start prying for an answer because my daughter is visibly upset and practically ran to the car when I got there. She snaps and says "go ask you kid how much she loving ate Chrissy, AFTER I told her not to touch what little food I had. Go!"

So I told her no, you tell me, you're the loving adult. Well, she literally dumped out an entire full size packing box of empty containers. Cracker packs, like 4 fruit containers (strawberries, blueberries, raspberries and watermelon), pudding cups, bags of chips and an empty sandwich meat bag. It was a lot and I'm not saying it wasn't. But then she goes "want to see what I have left to feed my loving family?" Opens her fridge and it was basically bare. Now, in no way am I condoning it because that was absolutely a lot of food but I still think it's hosed up that she made my daughter feel like poo poo about it. I told her my kid wouldn't be going back there at all and she said "good. Your kid just knowingly took at least 3 loving days worth of food from my kids mouths so I'd rather not see her anyways."

My mom says I'm an AH because I knew my kid has a big appetite and didn't pack more food for her, which apparently makes this my fault and says that I should offer to buy them groceries, which I won't do. I guess she went grocery shopping for them following this.

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reddit is going with YTA and I have to agree. OP needs to pay back the cost of the food at least, though more would be better.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Pookah posted:

Poor Kate needs SO MUCH therapy :(
She's doing that thing where she's trying to defuse her (understandable) chronic anxiety about her kids' safety by 'feeding' it what it wants, and that will only ever make the anxiety get hungrier.

Yeh Kate's brain fully broke, I feel for her. Honestly I also wonder how that niece is doing, it can't be easy to have your 3 yo relative die in your care. This isn't one of those, ignored known allergies out of pride situations, no one knew the kid had the allergy until it was too late :(

StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jul 25, 2023

Big Bowie Bonanza
Dec 30, 2007

please tell me where i can date this cute boy

Cowslips Warren posted:

AITA for telling my SIL she's not allowed around my daughter again after she humiliated her over food?

added spacing

reddit is going with YTA and I have to agree. OP needs to pay back the cost of the food at least, though more would be better.

Big YTA, I’d be chipping in too if the kids were starving wtf

Tnuctip
Sep 25, 2017

Can’t drink water with food? I’d ignore those rules too

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic

Cowslips Warren posted:

AITA for telling my SIL she's not allowed around my daughter again after she humiliated her over food?

added spacing

reddit is going with YTA and I have to agree. OP needs to pay back the cost of the food at least, though more would be better.
OP doing the thing again where they forget to include reasons they might not be the rear end in a top hat.

StrangersInTheNight posted:

Yeh Kate's brain fully broke, I feel for her. Honestly I also wonder how that niece is doing, it can't be easy to have your 3 yo relative die in your care. This isn't one of those, ignored known allergies out of pride situations, no one knew the kid had the allergy until it was too late :(
Yeah, this is a massive, massive overcorrection that's only going to end up pissing off everyone and twisting herself up.

The Maroon Hawk
May 10, 2008

Cowslips Warren posted:

AITA for being sarcastic with another parent

Did anybody else read this part:

quote:

she can't be bothered, too busy pursuing the " normal 20s" she so craved.

as implying that the mom is no longer in her twenties, or at least not in her early twenties? ‘Cuz if that’s the case then the math here is uhhhh :whitewater:

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

The Maroon Hawk posted:

Did anybody else read this part:

as implying that the mom is no longer in her twenties, or at least not in her early twenties? ‘Cuz if that’s the case then the math here is uhhhh :whitewater:

No. I read it as implying that she's a flake/deadbeat mom who's living her 20s like she doesn't actually have a kid.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Yeah it read to me like she's living like she doesn't have a kid so she can swoop in after he's done all the hard work and pretend that she's a perfect mom.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Kurieg posted:

Yeah it read to me like she's living like she doesn't have a kid so she can swoop in after he's done all the hard work and pretend that she's a perfect mom.
Which, given the age of the daughter, probably not going to work, assuming she's roughly the same age of OP. Kid's going to notice if mom only really started spending time with her once she turned 14.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:

Big YTA, I’d be chipping in too if the kids were starving wtf

I can't imagine being close enough to a human being to trust them to watch my kid but not close enough that I wouldn't be shoveling food at them if they were struggling with food security.

Whorelord
May 1, 2013

Jump into the well...

sullat posted:

I just think it's a lot more likely that she's Muslim than an extremely devout Jew who follows the obscure fast days and yet is married to someone outside the sect.

A Muslim woman that's devout enough to fast is similarly not likely to marry outside the faith, if not more so. It's explicitly forbidden for Muslim women to marry non-Muslims.

Ominous Jazz
Jun 15, 2011

Big D is chillin' over here
Wasteland style
?? I know Muslims who fast but who date outside the faith

Blotto_Otter
Aug 16, 2013


8one6 posted:

No. I read it as implying that she's a flake/deadbeat mom who's living her 20s like she doesn't actually have a kid.
yeah, that's how I read it too.

kudos to the dad there. I've been to a lot of birthday parties for 5 year olds lately and if I saw a 21 year old dad in attendance, I would be thoroughly impressed by him simply being there. (I'd also be laughing at anyone claiming they "really know what they're doing" regarding parenting, an unquittable job where nobody actually knows what they're doing until they've already done it)

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

sullat posted:

I just think it's a lot more likely that she's Muslim than an extremely devout Jew who follows the obscure fast days and yet is married to someone outside the sect.

It's not even the first time a story has come up itt about a close family member being really hosed up about Jews in particular having dietary restrictions. There's apparently an entire thing about forcing or pressuring them to break them and go 'See, you don't HAVE to obey those rules! Now just obey MY religion's rules!'

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat
AITA for lashing out on my sister for refusing to babysit my children?

quote:

I (f29) am a SAHM. My sister, Sierra (f35) works from home and her boyfriend of 5 years does as well. I have three amazing little boys, triplets (m5). They’re delightful and spirited. Sierra babysat for me a few times this past year but lately she’s been refusing. I thought nothing of it except she’s babysat her boyfriend’s sisters kid (f6). I got really annoyed because she has the time and is willing so I don’t know what happened.

I was hurt so I confronted her about it. She said that she told me many times but my boys were out of control (which is BS) and that she wouldn’t be babysitting them until they’re taught discipline. I said she’s cruel as she’s the only one in our family with free time and a pool and she’s their aunt and should be more helpful when she knows I need time off occasionally. My husband works long hours and I’m always with the boys and would appreciate some sisterly help.

She refused again saying that she’s not letting boys anywhere near the pool because they don’t react when told it’s time to leave.

I called her cruel and told her to think again before she loses her only sister.

She called me an rear end in a top hat. I called our mum and she’s on my side saying that Sierra was always stuck up and she’d try to speak to her. My husband on the other hand agreed with Sierra (which really shocked me) telling me to get the boys under control.

I’m hurt and sad to hear two people on my life being so against me. The boys are full of energy but they love with all their hearts. They’ll learn discipline with time. My husband thinks I was the rear end in a top hat because the way I raised my kids made us lose free babysitter and I should apologise even if I don’t feel guilty.

But now I wonder, was I really the rear end in a top hat? People in my life are split on the matter and I need to know. AITA?

my children are NOT "out of control", they're "delightful and spirited"

Fatty
Sep 13, 2004
Not really fat

Cowslips Warren posted:

AITA for refusing to follow my husband's ex-wife's rules for our stepkids regarding food?

I think she might be worried about Gremlins.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Foo Diddley posted:

AITA for lashing out on my sister for refusing to babysit my children?

my children are NOT "out of control", they're "delightful and spirited"
So wait, what parenting is this SAHM doing?

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
What's with the husband being like "Yeah, your kids suck, you should have done a better job" as though he's a casual observer?

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PetraCore posted:

So wait, what parenting is this SAHM doing?

Teaching her sons to love with all their hearts

boofhead
Feb 18, 2021

PetraCore posted:

So wait, what parenting is this SAHM doing?

Presumably she's a proponent of the Brood Parasite school of childrearing, wherein the mother lays her eggs in another bird's nest and then ensures compliance through the careful application of retaliatory violence

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Pope Corky the IX posted:

What's with the husband being like "Yeah, your kids suck, you should have done a better job" as though he's a casual observer?

It's easy to say but trying to put your foot down with the mother hen rarely works out well. He'd be asking for a divorce more than likely.

Fork of Unknown Origins
Oct 21, 2005
Gotta Herd On?

PetraCore posted:

So wait, what parenting is this SAHM doing?

I mean I get needing a break sometimes from 5 year old triplets. I’ve got a 5 and 7 year old and they’re a handful; I can’t imagine adding a third and them being practically feral.

That being said the “you’re family so you have to babysit” concept is so foreign to me. I don’t understand that entitlement.

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat
oh don't worry, they'll learn discipline with time. and not with, oh, say, discipline or anything

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

Foo Diddley posted:

"go crank it at the circle k you fuckin freak" is absolutely the correct response to "why can't i watch porn on your wifi"

e: to which the creepy uncle replies "you know they won't let me back at the circle k"

Something something Kum & Go

Pope Corky the IX posted:

You’ve got another thing comin’.

AITA for taking away my son's Judas Priest tickets after he got caught breakin' the law?

Foo Diddley posted:

AITA for lashing out on my sister for refusing to babysit my children?

quote:

I called our mum and she’s on my side saying that Sierra was always stuck up and she’d try to speak to her

Betting hard on "Sierra pushed back & didn't let us parentify her when she was younger, what a stuck-up brat". Also :laffo: at a 29 year old calling mommy to complain, if it's such a problem then mom can step up to help.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Foo Diddley posted:

AITA for lashing out on my sister for refusing to babysit my children?

my children are NOT "out of control", they're "delightful and spirited"

drat those kids were brats but man you could really tell they love with all their hearts lmao

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
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they love with all of their hearts, and also all of their fists

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
AITA for calling my mom a pos?

quote:

My wife has been sick for almost two years. She’s had pain in her stomach, chronically constipatied, vomiting, bad periods and recently rapid weight loss.

She’s been unwell enough that she quit work almost year ago. My mom had it in her head that my wife was using me or was lazy or mentally ill. My wife called off thanksgiving at our place that pissed my mom off. She didn’t cook anything at Christmas because she felt ill. The dumbass doctors kept saying poo poo like female problems and dismissing my wife’s pain. My mom told my wife at Christmas that at all women have periods and she needs to women up and help out on Christmas.

Things started to take a turn for the worse when my wife started rapidly losing weight 45 pounds since February. Finally the doctor’s stated doing more test and this week it turns out it’s intestinal cancer and they want to remove a large chunk of her intestine and chemotherapy.

I was going to tell my mom and she starts off with “what’s wrong with her now” I immediately yelled at my mom and called her a heartless POS. I refused to tell he what’s wrong and blocked her. My family is trying to get me to speak to her again and my grandmother actually said to me “how was she to supposed to know your wife was really sick” every single family member that is trying to defend my mom is getting blocked because I feel like all of this time she been acting like a total pos and I’m done. My family thinks I’m awful but everyone is mad at me on how I’m being disrespectful to my mom because she didn’t know
How was she supposed to know?!? She broke the sacred decorum and failed to host thanksgiving, that's way more important than cancer.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Foo Diddley posted:

AITA for lashing out on my sister for refusing to babysit my children?
I liked the assumption that the person who works 40 hours a week has oodles of free time compared to the OP (who works zero hours a week). Yet another example of people assuming that "working from home" means "pretty much goofing around doing nothing all day".

BOOTY-ADE posted:

Betting hard on "Sierra pushed back & didn't let us parentify her when she was younger, what a stuck-up brat". Also :laffo: at a 29 year old calling mommy to complain, if it's such a problem then mom can step up to help.
You don't understand, the woman who works a full time job (from home) is the only one in the entire family with any free time!

FMguru fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jul 25, 2023

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

Kurieg posted:

AITA for calling my mom a pos?

How was she supposed to know?!? She broke the sacred decorum and failed to host thanksgiving, that's way more important than cancer.

Man, loving doctors rolling their eyes at a woman in pain (so dramatic, amirite boys????) and wasting two years not treating a cancer because they couldn't be bothered to run more tests.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Foo Diddley posted:

AITA for lashing out on my sister for refusing to babysit my children?

quote:

My sister, Sierra (f35) works from home

she’s the only one in our family with free time

hmm

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:

I mean I get needing a break sometimes from 5 year old triplets. I’ve got a 5 and 7 year old and they’re a handful; I can’t imagine adding a third and them being practically feral.

That being said the “you’re family so you have to babysit” concept is so foreign to me. I don’t understand that entitlement.
I'm more joking about the fact that she thinks kids are just going to magically learn discipline with time, and they don't need to see it demonstrated or need a structured environment to thrive or anything. You've got a good point about having triplets probably factoring into that sort of neglect, but OP needs to acknowledge it before she (and her husband!) can start addressing it, for the good of their kids.

I'm sure it's a lot easier to handle a single child than it is triplets but it sucks when the solution to that is for a parent to throw up their hands and go 'well at least they're spirited'.

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



Batterypowered7 posted:

Man, loving doctors rolling their eyes at a woman in pain (so dramatic, amirite boys????) and wasting two years not treating a cancer because they couldn't be bothered to run more tests.

My family has a history of stomach cancer apparently, and just a couple days ago I found out that there's a certain gut bacteria infection that causes a lot of various digestion issues and can potentially lead to ulcers and stomach cancer later on. You can get tested for it but you'd need to know to ask (or hopefully your doctors would). It's a loving shame though that her doctors completely failed her for two years and the fact that women are still being written off in medical settings is infuriating.

I like that OP blocked not only his mom but anyone else defending her, though. Imagine seeing your wife deteriorate and having to deal with relatives who are mad that you didn't host Thanksgiving.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Clocks posted:

My family has a history of stomach cancer apparently, and just a couple days ago I found out that there's a certain gut bacteria infection that causes a lot of various digestion issues and can potentially lead to ulcers and stomach cancer later on. You can get tested for it but you'd need to know to ask (or hopefully your doctors would). It's a loving shame though that her doctors completely failed her for two years and the fact that women are still being written off in medical settings is infuriating.

I like that OP blocked not only his mom but anyone else defending her, though. Imagine seeing your wife deteriorate and having to deal with relatives who are mad that you didn't host Thanksgiving.

Yeah, gently caress 'em all. "How was she supposed to know your wife was really sick"? BECAUSE SHE loving SAID SO you cretinous excuse for a human being!

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Batterypowered7 posted:

Man, loving doctors rolling their eyes at a woman in pain (so dramatic, amirite boys????) and wasting two years not treating a cancer because they couldn't be bothered to run more tests.

Yeah, that was my big takeaway. I get family is the more emotional gut punch here, but that doctor is the waaay more horrifying part of the tale. And also probably in a position where op could sue the bejeezus out of them. There's a breach of duty, there's actual damages, and there is proximate cause between the two.

Fork of Unknown Origins
Oct 21, 2005
Gotta Herd On?

PetraCore posted:

I'm more joking about the fact that she thinks kids are just going to magically learn discipline with time, and they don't need to see it demonstrated or need a structured environment to thrive or anything. You've got a good point about having triplets probably factoring into that sort of neglect, but OP needs to acknowledge it before she (and her husband!) can start addressing it, for the good of their kids.

I'm sure it's a lot easier to handle a single child than it is triplets but it sucks when the solution to that is for a parent to throw up their hands and go 'well at least they're spirited'.

Oh yeah for sure, she needs to have a rigid discipline system especially because they’re triplets. You can’t really put up with a lot of nonsense when it’s multiplied by 3. That doesn’t mean harsh, it means reasonable and consistent. From her description I’m pretty certain she’s not doing that. And neither is the husband who owns half of this problem.

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Jul 20, 2017

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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:

Oh yeah for sure, she needs to have a rigid discipline system especially because they’re triplets. You can’t really put up with a lot of nonsense when it’s multiplied by 3. That doesn’t mean harsh, it means reasonable and consistent. From her description I’m pretty certain she’s not doing that. And neither is the husband who owns half of this problem.
Yeah, and it's the kids who pay the price for it. There's a reason I called it neglect.

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