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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1683869740064817152?t=enSV3TfQXAw1TMg2pvcLRw&s=19

We'll see what the deal is like in the coming days/weeks, but pretty clear that the union was ready to walk.

Edit: https://twitter.com/_ericblanc/status/1683870014602985473?t=0Ox-bnqJ8s5Y_r7dWKD6Yw&s=19

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Jul 25, 2023

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Suicide Watch
Sep 8, 2009

Zamujasa posted:

Radio ratings are unreliable, moreso than television ones, iirc.


You could also make a convincing argument that a lot of our culture stagnation is because most of the wealth/power is concentrated in the boomer generation, so naturally the world caters to those tastes.

There's also stuff like Christmas that seems to be permanently stuck in the 50s/60s.

I’d argue the past 10 years were a period of stagnation where technological development was largely focused on optimizing the preexisting without much new. We have better smartphone, faster internet, easier payment systems, etc. but so many of these are incremental.

mRNA is amazing and we’re still reaping the benefits, EVs are now more mainstream too, but everything else still seems right around the corner perpetually, like autonomous vehicles and VR. This might be way time seems to have just flown by.

All this technology and we still need to fill out paperwork and people aren’t necessarily working less. Pretty much the only way you can do so is if you can leverage AI in your job (without your boss knowing), or work remote so you can skip an hour+ commute. Otherwise it’s all the same old as ever before, with just more screen time required and more screen time at the end of the day.

drat, Teddy K is starting to sound right

Edit: this is a very western perspective and fails to account for the increased prosperity in poorer regions of the world, which have seen massive improvements in healthcare and technology access. But if you’re in the west, I would argue it’s appropriate to be upset about your personal circumstances

Suicide Watch fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jul 25, 2023

Shalhavet
Dec 10, 2010

This post is terrible
Doctor Rope

https://teamster.org/2023/07/weve-changed-the-game-teamsters-win-historic-ups-contract/

This looks incredibly good, hell yeah unions.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe
gently caress yeah

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

Thwomp posted:

There's also the argument that since the monoculture fragmented in the early 2000s, you just don't see the society-wide trends that you saw in the 20th century.

So the overall culture and trends changes little from a high level. Peer under the surface though and you'll see a lot of sub-cultures churning away with some that breakthrough into the mainstream.

This also explains why nothing seems to stick around since its only the subculture that's providing the "core" support. It explodes into the mainstream briefly and then fizzles out.

Just imagine what happens if you start examining the sub-culture and sub-sub-culture of dead comedy websites.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


gently caress yeah, glad those drivers are getting paid.


Now we wait for the studios to unfuck themselves.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Zamujasa posted:

Radio ratings are unreliable, moreso than television ones, iirc.


You could also make a convincing argument that a lot of our culture stagnation is because most of the wealth/power is concentrated in the boomer generation, so naturally the world caters to those tastes.

There's also stuff like Christmas that seems to be permanently stuck in the 50s/60s.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Handsome Ralph posted:

gently caress yeah, glad those drivers are getting paid.


Now we wait for the studios to unfuck themselves.

I don't think they're gonna be doing that while box office records continue to be broken

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


Mariah Carey must have put the 90s on this chart since then.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Grip it and rip it posted:

I don't think they're gonna be doing that while box office records continue to be broken

Those box office records are being broken with products made with real writer and actor labor, not AI bullshit or movies made by scabs.

It’s not great to sit on empty studio infrastructure and staff; it’s financially inefficient to leave things languishing.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011


https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcZMZxR9uxC8nhBY9Jn6kihqK9suWiuBQ

:colbert:

Yeah yeah I know there aren’t any original songs.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

mlmp08 posted:

Those box office records are being broken with products made with real writer and actor labor, not AI bullshit or movies made by scabs.

It’s not great to sit on empty studio infrastructure and staff; it’s financially inefficient to leave things languishing.

You can rent out the infrastructure and furlough the staff. I just don't think imagine those evil fucks are going to deal as long as people are spending money at the movies

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

mlmp08 posted:

Those box office records are being broken with products made with real writer and actor labor, not AI bullshit or movies made by scabs.

It’s not great to sit on empty studio infrastructure and staff; it’s financially inefficient to leave things languishing.

Yeah hopefully they’ll get a good deal. Not a good sign about how enthusiastic studios are for terrible CGI like in Irishman & Indiana Jones, doesn’t seem like they’ll have any moral qualms about reusing actors forever. Wondering how it would work even if US actors/writers got a good deal, if emerging technology means other countries not bound by those deals can instantly make a two hour epic about anything starring anyone for pennies, and if you don’t like it here’s a hundred more.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

hobbesmaster posted:

Mariah Carey must have put the 90s on this chart since then.

I'm not seeing Wham! either.

Who made this?

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

Someone who likes xmas music and not xmas warcrimes?

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!
I've seen those camps pop up, especially that weird alpha camp. I don't understand the kind of person who would fall for that.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Americans are a bunch of philistines who don't appreciate baroque through romantic choral music.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

Stravag posted:

Someone who likes xmas music and not xmas warcrimes?

I'm not saying Wham! or Mariah are good xmas music, I'm just saying it gets lots of air time. It's almost impossible to enter a retail store past Thanksgiving without hearing at least one or the other.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Yeah hopefully they’ll get a good deal. Not a good sign about how enthusiastic studios are for terrible CGI like in Irishman & Indiana Jones, doesn’t seem like they’ll have any moral qualms about reusing actors forever. Wondering how it would work even if US actors/writers got a good deal, if emerging technology means other countries not bound by those deals can instantly make a two hour epic about anything starring anyone for pennies, and if you don’t like it here’s a hundred more.

I'll be honest, I don't think there's any way to avoid AI replacing extras in movies. And those won't be the only jobs lost to improving AI.


ASAPI posted:

I'm not saying Wham! or Mariah are good xmas music, I'm just saying it gets lots of air time. It's almost impossible to enter a retail store past Thanksgiving without hearing at least one or the other.

Radio listeners aren't the same as the general population, which explains why All I Want For Christmas or Last Christmas are ubiquitous in stores but not so much in radio.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?
The Wham! song is so common that there's even a game about how long you can get through December without hearing it.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

ASAPI posted:

I'm not seeing Wham! either.

Who made this?

It’s an XKCD comic.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





McNally posted:

The Wham! song is so common that there's even a game about how long you can get through December without hearing it.

Seriously? We can't even make it through November before losing

Hekk
Oct 12, 2012

'smeper fi

The only Christmas songs I listen to are Vince Guaraldi or The Pogues.

Mappo
Apr 27, 2009

MrYenko posted:

It’s an XKCD comic.

A XKCD comic that is 14 years old.

The data is coming from ASCAP, they say they are tracking both radio and streaming data.

The latest I could find was their 2021 list.

quote:

THE TOP 25 ASCAP HOLIDAY SONGS OF 2021

1. “Sleigh Ride” by Leroy Anderson and Mitchell Parish (1948)
2. “Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow” by Sammy Cahn and Jule Styne (1945)
3. “A Holly Jolly Christmas” by Johnny Marks (1962)
4. “It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas” by Meredith Willson (1951)
5. “Santa Claus Is Comin’ to Town” by Fred Coots and Haven Gillespie (1934)
6. “Jingle Bell Rock” by Joseph Carleton Beal and James Ross Boothe (1958)
7. “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” by Johnny Marks (1949)
8. “Rockin’ Around the Christmas Tree” by Johnny Marks (1958)
9. “Winter Wonderland” by Felix Bernard and Richard B. Smith (1934)
10. “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas” by Ralph Blane and Hugh Martin (1944)
11. “Last Christmas” by George Michael (1984)
12. “Frosty the Snowman” by Steve Nelson and Walter E. Rollins (1950)
13. “It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year” by Edward Pola and George Wyle (1963)
14. “All I Want for Christmas Is You” by Walter Afanasieff and Mariah Carey (1994)
15. “The Christmas Song” by Mel Tormé and Robert Wells (1946)
16. “Jingle Bells” by James Lord Pierpont; Frank Sinatra version arranged by Gordon Jenkins (ASCAP, 1958)
17. “Do You Hear What I Hear?” by Noel Regney and Gloria Shain (1962)
18. “White Christmas” by Irving Berlin (1941)
19. “Here Comes Santa Claus (Down Santa Claus Lane)” by Gene Autry and Oakley Haldeman (1947)
20. “Feliz Navidad” by José Feliciano (1970)
21. “Silver Bells” by Raymond Evans and Jay Livingston (1950)
22. “Santa Baby” by Joan Javits, Anthony Springer and Philip Springer (1953)
23. “Happy Holiday/The Holiday Season” by Kay Tompson and Irving Berlin (1942)
24. “I’ll Be Home for Christmas” by Kim Gannon, Walter Kent and Buck Ram (1943)
25. “Wonderful Christmastime” by Paul McCartney (1979)

I doubt their data, Mariah Carey is way too low.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


Rob Halford has a very good Xmas album.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


hobbesmaster posted:

Mariah Carey must have put the 90s on this chart since then.

Almost certainly

E. Revenant
Aug 26, 2002

If the abyss gazes long into you then stare right back;
make it blink.
The best chrismas song is ultimately from the 90's. It's from Home Alone when the kid is leaving the church and it's called *googles it* Carol of the Bells from 1919.

I will not be changing my initial statement as I honestly believed it for way too long to change now

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Seriously? We can't even make it through November before losing

Last year I made it to the 23rd of December.

It showed up on a commercial on Tubi of all places.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
If you call in and ask for *Song* and it gets recorded as a request fot *Song* (1948) but the DJ sees the request and actually plays *Song* (Mariah Carey , 2015) you get the statistics above.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Grip it and rip it posted:

You can rent out the infrastructure and furlough the staff. I just don't think imagine those evil fucks are going to deal as long as people are spending money at the movies

Who is going to rent movie/television production infrastructure if writers and actors are on strike?

It's basically a game of chicken at this point, in that the writers/actors know they just need one bad earnings forecast to get the studios to begrudgingly start negotiating again.


The other issue is despite the studios comic book villain "We'll just wait for people to start losing their houses" strategy, is that they've been paying people poorly for so long that many of those people already have side jobs/careers removed from the industry in order to get by. Hard to say you'll win by starving people out when that's been the status quo for so long.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Hekk posted:

The only Christmas songs I listen to are Vince Guaraldi or The Pogues.

Try The Kinks. I wish this would get more airplay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPPCPqDINEk

E: Y'know what? Have a few:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQaJn11t94M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTx-sdR6Yzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwTb8bXWdVs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8MqF7xEGhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp9w9zptRdg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrVg1toMzuo

Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jul 25, 2023

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
to save mankind from AI we must use AI to replace the business school big brains who want to replace everyone with AI

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

What part of "Thou Shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind" don't you understand

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





MA-Horus posted:

What part of "Thou Shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind" don't you understand

Core concept?

Mappo
Apr 27, 2009

Robert Earl Keen is excellent and more people should listen to him.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Handsome Ralph posted:

Who is going to rent movie/television production infrastructure if writers and actors are on strike?

It's basically a game of chicken at this point, in that the writers/actors know they just need one bad earnings forecast to get the studios to begrudgingly start negotiating again.


The other issue is despite the studios comic book villain "We'll just wait for people to start losing their houses" strategy, is that they've been paying people poorly for so long that many of those people already have side jobs/careers removed from the industry in order to get by. Hard to say you'll win by starving people out when that's been the status quo for so long.

Non-Union film producers? maybe the Porn Industry? Foreign film producers?

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Disrupting Christmas in July to bring you news about the latest scandal involving a member of the Biden family. And this one doesn’t involve Hunter or his massive hog!

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Mappo posted:

Robert Earl Keen is excellent and more people should listen to him.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

pantslesswithwolves posted:

Disrupting Christmas in July to bring you news about the latest scandal involving a member of the Biden family. And this one doesn’t involve Hunter or his massive hog!

they know what they did

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

pantslesswithwolves posted:

Disrupting Christmas in July to bring you news about the latest scandal involving a member of the Biden family. And this one doesn’t involve Hunter or his massive hog!

As I said last time,

Platystemon posted:

In light of Secret Service behavior related to January Sixth, I believe that we owe Major an apology. He may well have been right to bite agents on eight consecutive days.

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