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Strategic Tea posted:We've had one coup, yes. What about second coup? 
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Jul 25, 2023 17:39
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Kith posted:i wouldn't hold your breath  
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Jul 25, 2023 17:41
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/kirlant/status/1683773683007991808 If I had to guess: it's like his Press Conferences. Bringing everyone to the party adds confusion and breeds infighting. It's also dilutes down the size the force can be. So instead of having say, 2 PMCs with 50,000 troops each, it's 20 with 5000 each. It'll gently caress up command and control even more than it already is but, it'll make way harder to organize a march on Moscow (even an aborted one). Edit: Also, it'll help appease whatever oligarchical forces are strongest in each region: "Ok, I get it, you're feeling shaky. How's about a publicly funded private military? You just have to let me use it every now and then." Even the ones who know it's potentially an epically raw deal will take the opportunity to hire a personal, heavily-armed, bodyguard force on the country's dime. Pigma_Micron fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jul 25, 2023 |
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Jul 25, 2023 17:42
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Kith posted:i wouldn't hold your breath zone posted:https://twitter.com/kirlant/status/1683773683007991808
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Jul 25, 2023 17:43
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/kirlant/status/1683773683007991808 Calling those private military companies is wrong since they are going to be armed by Rosguard and as state enterprises, so just a fancy name for regional militia and outgrowth of regional "volunteer batallions" that have been arranged during mobilization to keep governors involved.
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Jul 25, 2023 17:43
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Jul 25, 2023 17:46
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Pigma_Micron posted:If I had to guess: it's like his Press Conferences. Bringing everyone to the party adds confusion and breeds infighting. It's also dilutes down the size the force can be. So instead of having say, 2 PMCs with 50,000 troops each, it's 20 with 5000 each. It'll gently caress up command and control even more than it already is but, it'll make way harder to organize a march on Moscow (even an aborted one). To be fair, they didn't need that much men to organize a march on Moscow to begin with. Like 20,000-25,000 people were there in the Wagner march. What really made the difference was the heavy equipment at their disposal that let them shoot down all those planes and choppers. So assuming such conditions can be somehow repeated (seizing enough heavy equipment and air defense) it's still possible.
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Jul 25, 2023 17:48
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Strategic Tea posted:We've had one coup, yes. What about second coup? Sad, sad lol.
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Jul 25, 2023 17:49
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zone posted:To be fair, they didn't need that much men to organize a march on Moscow to begin with. Like 20,000-25,000 people were there in the Wagner march. What really made the difference was the heavy equipment at their disposal that let them shoot down all those planes and choppers. So assuming such conditions can be somehow repeated (seizing enough heavy equipment and air defense) it's still possible. It would have to be another Frontline defection or the rosgvardia turning sides at this point. Like Russia just doesn't have the loving equipment to spare. The border guards that faced off against the RFP had like three BMPs and a BTR.
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Jul 25, 2023 17:50
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fatherboxx posted:Calling those private military companies is wrong since they are going to be armed by Rosguard and as state enterprises, so just a fancy name for regional militia and outgrowth of regional "volunteer batallions" that have been arranged during mobilization to keep governors involved. Is this because the armed forces have lost all prestige and this is just a faceswap because being in a PMC is considered cooler in Russia?
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Jul 25, 2023 17:52
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Lol lmao this is a mere fraction of one year of US defense spending and Russia is molecularly disintegrating in an undignified manner
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Jul 25, 2023 17:58
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Burns posted:Is this because the armed forces have lost all prestige and this is just a faceswap because being in a PMC is considered cooler in Russia? Yeah, Prigozhin went big on pr for his boys because of post-Blackwater tacticool media image and now the state catches up believing that calling a bunch of people unfit for military and mallcops "military company" gonna turn them into FOXHOUND
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Jul 25, 2023 17:59
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zone posted:To be fair, they didn't need that much men to organize a march on Moscow to begin with. Like 20,000-25,000 people were there in the Wagner march. What really made the difference was the heavy equipment at their disposal that let them shoot down all those planes and choppers. So assuming such conditions can be somehow repeated (seizing enough heavy equipment and air defense) it's still possible. I don't think the full Wagner strength of 20-25k was marching on Moscow, the numbers I heard for were more like 1-2k. But a bunch of Wagner troops certainly stayed behind to secure Rostov on Don, not sure how many there. The impression I had was that most of Wagner were chilling in their barracks somewhere in/near Ukraine during the coup march. But are any of these numbers known with any exactness? I mean how many Wagnerites were in which places doing what
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Jul 25, 2023 18:01
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hehehehhehe
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Jul 25, 2023 18:07
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jaete posted:I don't think the full Wagner strength of 20-25k was marching on Moscow, the numbers I heard for were more like 1-2k. But a bunch of Wagner troops certainly stayed behind to secure Rostov on Don, not sure how many there. British Intelligence, afaik, came up with a lower number of 8-10,000 rebels involved. Pig Boss claimed he had 25,000 at his disposal plus the equipment he started with and captured later at Rostov. Milbloggers said it was only around 4-5,000.
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Jul 25, 2023 18:09
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HonorableTB posted:Lol lmao this is a mere fraction of one year of US defense spending and Russia is molecularly disintegrating in an undignified manner I never thought I'd be proud of the US MIC but I guess when all that expenditure is for a just cause it makes it a little easier to justify. Seems like it's better to have too much military rather than not enough. But maybe we could just let all the states start their own PMCs instead lmao
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Jul 25, 2023 18:15
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weg posted:I never thought I'd be proud of the US MIC but I guess when all that expenditure is for a just cause it makes it a little easier to justify. Meal Team Six PMC reporting for duty from somewhere in the swamp of Florida
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Jul 25, 2023 18:16
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gonna get it out of my system
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Jul 25, 2023 18:21
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Dwesa posted:
Shogun Shoigu
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Jul 25, 2023 18:23
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fatherboxx posted:Calling those private military companies is wrong since they are going to be armed by Rosguard and as state enterprises, so just a fancy name for regional militia and outgrowth of regional "volunteer batallions" that have been arranged during mobilization to keep governors involved. vassal fiefs. peeps with fiefs, if you will
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Jul 25, 2023 18:29
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This is just splitting up potential threats to Putin by making them all weak and vulnerable and too busy worrying about the guy next to them to work with them to overthrow the big dick. Sure it'll make everything worse and lead to instability in general but if it secures Putin's position it's working as intended.
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Jul 25, 2023 18:31
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/kirlant/status/1683773683007991808 It's not mobilization if every federal subject creates their own PMC that is then moved under MOD control and shipped to a special operation.
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Jul 25, 2023 18:38
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ChaseSP posted:This is just splitting up potential threats to Putin by making them all weak and vulnerable and too busy worrying about the guy next to them to work with them to overthrow the big dick. Sure it'll make everything worse and lead to instability in general but if it secures Putin's position it's working as intended. Putin has less than a decade of being an alive person possible like, biologically, not counting any slippery windows what happens post Putin? Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:It's not mobilization if every federal subject creates their own PMC that is then moved under MOD control and shipped to a special operation. if it isn’t conscripted from the sparkling region of KZZRRMERZZZKKKISTAN it’s just sparkling mobilization
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Jul 25, 2023 18:44
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Jul 25, 2023 18:51
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1683889069611266069#m New aid package dropped. Lots more of the same, but 32 Strykers got thrown in with this one
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Jul 25, 2023 18:54
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naem posted:Putin has less than a decade of being an alive person possible like, biologically, not counting any slippery windows Well that's when it gets fun in the sense that everything will go to complete poo poo unless he has a groomed successor that the other power brokers will also support assuming Putin gives a poo poo about anything post death
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Jul 25, 2023 19:00
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Is the US also sending stuff like MREs and field uniforms and boots? You know, the non-explodey stuff that is still very useful to the troops in the field.
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Jul 25, 2023 19:03
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https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1683868781372747778?s=20 even before the war you had to have a death wish to fly Aeroflot, if you do so now it's just a very expensive way to unalive yourself
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Jul 25, 2023 19:04
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CannonFodder posted:Is the US also sending stuff like MREs and field uniforms and boots? You know, the non-explodey stuff that is still very useful to the troops in the field. They also send a lot of that in the aid packages as well. It's just that they don't specifically mention them.
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Jul 25, 2023 19:06
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ChaseSP posted:Well that's when it gets fun in the sense that everything will go to complete poo poo unless he has a groomed successor that the other power brokers will also support assuming Putin gives a poo poo about anything post death He tried to groom Medvedev into one, but Dmitry failed his internship by agreeing with the EU/NATO on Libyan situation which caused Gaddafi to get what he deserved. Since then there hasn't been any heir apparent, at least from outsider's perspective.
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Jul 25, 2023 19:06
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naem posted:Putin has less than a decade of being an alive person possible like, biologically, not counting any slippery windows
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Jul 25, 2023 19:08
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Coolguye posted:this is, by definition, not putin's problem so i think it very likely that it will just not be addressed Yeah it's simpler to disappear those who raise the issue.
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Jul 25, 2023 19:11
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Putin takes the view of "apres moi, le deluge" in that he straight doesn't give a poo poo what happens after he dies. If he cares about the legacy of anything it would've been his own presidential legacy but lmao, lol at that now
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Jul 25, 2023 19:18
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HonorableTB posted:Putin takes the view of "apres moi, le deluge" in that he straight doesn't give a poo poo what happens after he dies. If he cares about the legacy of anything it would've been his own presidential legacy but lmao, lol at that now I think he did care about his legacy, but instead of presidental stuff he was going for the few degrees more ambitious "emperor and saint" -type stuff, Napoleon-style. But he massively cocked it up by starting to believe his own propaganda and now he will be known in the history books as the bell-end who caused the third collapse of the Russian empire only some thirty years after the last one.
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Jul 25, 2023 19:23
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I think Putin is counting on some generous revisionist historian to craft his legacy which means anything he does was the best decision anyone could have made so why stop loving up now?
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Jul 25, 2023 19:23
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https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-tank-armata-t-14-1814899 Russia withdraws "game changing" T-14 Armata tanks after brief frontline run https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_asNhzXq72w
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Jul 25, 2023 19:26
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HonorableTB posted:https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-tank-armata-t-14-1814899
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Jul 25, 2023 19:27
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Armata was so successful the Russians had to withdraw it for humanitarian reasons because they felt so bad for the Ukrainians on the receiving end.
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Jul 25, 2023 19:29
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HonorableTB posted:https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-tank-armata-t-14-1814899 So how embarrassing was their first performance then 
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