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Gatts posted:Don’t the Jets have Breece Hall? Did he get hurt? I assume Dalvin isn’t…Cooked lol Well now Im not sure because the same exact report that said Miami, New England and the Jets all gave him offers in the 5/mm a year range... has been debunked https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/25/dalvin-cook-denies-dolphins-offered-contract/
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mcmagic posted:The RB market is just poo poo, I doubt Barkley would even make 10.1MM a year in free agency. Teams are learning that RB second contracts never really work out. i mean, he effectively already did-- if the giants thought they could pay him less for a 1yr deal they wouldn't have tagged him in the first place barring risk tolerance and roster priorities if these tagged deals are the clear best option available to an RB coming off their rookie contract, why has there been consistent frustration from players in that spot for so long? i don't think it's just a matter of players not understanding their value in 2023 and negotiating irrationally
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mcmagic posted:The RB market is just poo poo, I doubt Barkley would even make 10.1MM a year in free agency. this doesn't make any sense at all
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It's an existential problem for NFLPA that a position whose labor impacts the outcome of games so much is completely devalued. I don't know why that's confusing to people. Their union is loving worthless too. That's the problem with RBs not getting paid.
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Forrest on Fire posted:It's an existential problem for NFLPA that a position whose labor impacts the outcome of games so much is completely devalued. I don't know why that's confusing to people. Their union is loving worthless too. That's the problem with RBs not getting paid. bingo
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The NFLPA is inherently always going to be useless when the majority of members only have three year careers. There's no real capability for long term planning or negotiating. But it also doesn't help when an RB seems to have had his contract negotiated by Donald Trump.
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Feels like a sick joke https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1683876914862391297
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It's so awesome that he's still constantly injured and yet managed to make several critical plays to deny the Eagles a Super Bowl. Giants legend
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Forrest on Fire posted:It's an existential problem for NFLPA that a position whose labor impacts the outcome of games so much is completely devalued. I don't know why that's confusing to people. Their union is loving worthless too. That's the problem with RBs not getting paid. There are 5-10 rookies every season who can perform comparably to most vet rbs. The avg lifespan for an rb is what? Can't put resources into a replaceable, short lived position. Rbs and off the ball LBs are victims of roi and supply and demand. Make it so you can't franchise rbs. Market should adjust for 4th year guys.
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indigi posted:this doesn't make any sense at all Have you seen the RB contracts that have been given out this offseason? Miles Sanders got 4x25 and that is by far the largest deal.
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The largest WR contract handed out this offseason was Hopkins for 1 year $13m Because the good ones weren't on the market, just like RB's. If Josh Jacobs was just available as a FA this offseason, you really don't think a team would offer him say, 2 years $30m? That's less then Hunter Renfrow money. Kalli fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jul 25, 2023 |
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Hopkins got robbed tbh, hes a top 5 wr lol
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Diqnol posted:Hopkins got robbed tbh, hes a top 5 wr lol just had a percy harvin flashback for some reason
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The Wild Man of YOLO posted:https://twitter.com/Broncos/status/1683869796784545792?t=FMRk3iwcpoPIF0lgqHzA1Q&s=19 Sick
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Diqnol posted:Hopkins got robbed tbh, hes a top 5 wr lol edit: If I were making a roster I'd easily take all of those guys plus Waddle, DeVonta, DK Metcalf, Lamb, Amon-Ra, Tee Higgins, and Garrett Wilson ahead of him, plus maybe a few others. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jul 25, 2023 |
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Diqnol posted:Hopkins got robbed tbh, hes a top 5 wr lol I don't even think he's top 15 anymore.
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iPhone Money posted:There are 5-10 rookies every season who can perform comparably to most vet rbs. This is very smart and you're such a genius, now go tell a group of professional athletes they're replaceable and unworthy of second contracts lol
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Kalli posted:Feels like a sick joke I hope the rumors of it being a meniscus are true, seems like the best case scenario
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It's back, folks https://defector.com/why-your-team-sucks-2023-chicago-bears quote:After the intervention of my best friends and family, I'm divorcing my wife, whom I've been with for about nine years. I wouldn’t say anything overly dramatic happened, and I'll spare the petty details, But the long story short is I hadn't been happy in years, and I don't think either one of us was getting anything out of the relationship anymore. Truth be told, I think we both stuck around for so long because we started dating when we were young, and our lives became too intertwined. It was more habit than anything else.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:wyts ran outta steam a long time ago Nah it’s always been hit or miss. It’s hard to consecutively crank out 32 of these and have every one be a banger, but there are always a handful of very funny ones each year. The fan letters have gotten a little tryhard though.
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I forget if I read this here or not, but i really like the solution of combining WR/RB/TE into one tag group the way they do with OL. interior line contracts have been steadily rising proportionately to tackles and it's because teams don't want to franchise a guard or center since it'd cost so much comparatively. so IOL all get to hit free agency if their teams don't want to lock them up. I think after a year or two it'd have the same effect on RB salariesmcmagic posted:Have you seen the RB contracts that have been given out this offseason? Miles Sanders got 4x25 and that is by far the largest deal. Miles Sanders is the definition of "pretty good," you can't really compare him to a franchise RB like Saquon. I wouldn't even put him in the same tier as Ekeler tbh. I have problems with EPA as a stat, but even so, Sanders was the third highest EPA ball carrier on the Eagles. Saquon:Jones::Hurts:Sanders if Saquon wasn't going to get 10.1 in FA then the Giants would have offered him 30/3 and avoided any problems, but they couldn't
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Kalli posted:The largest WR contract handed out this offseason was Hopkins for 1 year $13m How soon we forget OBJ getting plucked from the couch for $15 Million (up to $18 with incentives.)
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The Puppy Bowl posted:How soon we forget OBJ getting plucked from the couch for $15 Million (up to $18 with incentives.) .... gently caress
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Forrest on Fire posted:It's an existential problem for NFLPA that a position whose labor impacts the outcome of games so much is completely devalued. I don't know why that's confusing to people. Their union is loving worthless too. That's the problem with RBs not getting paid. The problem is the union is, as a majority, not RBs. Tough to get a whole bunch of non-RBs to agree to pay RBs more at their expense...
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It was a play to help reel in Lamar and a reflection of how desperate the Ravens were to improve their receiving corp. Still an absurd overpay for a WR that would be drat lucky to hit 800 yards this year.
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Gatts posted:Don’t the Jets have Breece Hall? Did he get hurt? I assume Dalvin isn’t…Cooked lol Jets will probably get outbid by Miami though.
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Forrest on Fire posted:This is very smart and you're such a genius, now go tell a group of professional athletes they're replaceable and unworthy of second contracts lol I don't think anybody is saying it's a good or just outcome, but what's the answer for buoying RB salaries other than eliminating the salary cap or eliminating the rookie pay scale? (Not that either of those would be bad things, but I doubt either outcome is realistically on the table)
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General Dog posted:I don't think anybody is saying it's a good or just outcome, but what's the answer for buoying RB salaries other than eliminating the salary cap or eliminating the rookie pay scale? (Not that either of those would be bad things, but I doubt either outcome is realistically on the table) Combining RB + TE + WR into 1 cap number like OL means they don't get tagged anymore effectively, and would let Josh Jacobs / Saquon set the market. Which, like with guards, causes their market to rise a bit at the top end, and gives a bunch of room for the 2nd - 3rd tier RB's to slot in under them. It doesn't do much of anything for a 28+ year old RB's but they're cooked regardless, ain't nothing fixing that. Best you can do is let them have a real free agency when they're 25 and get a shot at a real 2nd payday.
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Kalli posted:Combining RB + TE + WR into 1 cap number like OL means they don't get tagged anymore effectively, and would let Josh Jacobs / Saquon set the market. Seems like a reasonable idea. I guess it effectively just means RBs are never franchise tagged, but like you say it lets them hit free agency when there's maybe still at least a little meat left on the bone.
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Kalli posted:RB free agent contracts aren't high because they die in their mid-upper 20's which you can hold onto them through a rookie contract + 2 franchise tags if needed. If you make it so they effectively can't be franchised, then you'll see RB's get your typical extensions after year 3 to lock them up until their late 20's and then they're toast, and in the process the best ones would start seeing contracts approaching mid-2nd tier WR contracts instead of 3rd-4th tier ones like they're reduced to now. If you draft a back, play him for three or four years then decline the 5th year and cut him who is going to be lining up to give him a 3+ year contract for real money
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maybe rbs should do what bronco nagurski did and also play a higher paying position like lb in addition so their contracts would be on a better position pay scale
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Looks like Trey Lance opens camp as QB3. https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1683902179525152768
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Hope he bounces back, Brock Purdy was a fun story last year and it's funny that Mr. Irrelevant may already be the best 49ers QB in the Shanahan era just from his half a season of play.
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Maybe Cook wont be going to the Dolphins. https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1683874148404039680
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Nodoze posted:If you draft a back, play him for three or four years then decline the 5th year and cut him who is going to be lining up to give him a 3+ year contract for real money I mean what would Josh Jacobs be worth on the open market right now? That's basically what we're looking at. Dude put up 1653 / 12 at a 4.9 average in year 4. I'd say it makes sense to throw a ~3 year contract at him with the guarantees in the first two years at say, probably above Diontae Johnson or Hunter Renfrow money.
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Nodoze posted:If you draft a back, play him for three or four years then decline the 5th year and cut him who is going to be lining up to give him a 3+ year contract for real money McCaffery, Kamara, Jones, Chubb and Henry are all on multi year contracts with AAV of more than the franchise tag. If those guys hit free agency they’d likely have gotten even more. As is the threat of the franchise tag pushes them into taking worse deals than they might get in FA. We know teams will pay for top tier RBs because they already do it.
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https://twitter.com/TexansCap/status/1683891735502389266?s=20
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