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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/eight-search-warrants-issued-trump-classified-documents-case-new-filin-rcna96228nbc posted:Eight search warrants and affidavits were filed in connection with the federal case involving former President Donald Trump's mishandling of classified documents that resulted in a slew of criminal charges against him, according to recently unsealed court motions.
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gregday posted:https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1683940257966747651 Oh, yeah. The way black people killed by cops always get their trials moved downtown Chicago
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So they had a transcript from the hearing with Cannon other the court date and potential pretrial motions. One of the guests notes that March would be perfect, but it's pointed out that another trial has been set for March. The defense then attempts to claim that preparation will take forever because of the novel issues in the case, which the guests point out as ridiculous and absurd. Instead of going with the December date, or even January (which admittedly could get delayed on top of the March trial), Cannon went with the soft, delayed position. https://youtu.be/LIkaqO9qBvk It's going to be real fun in July when "Whine 2024" finally begins after the delays, and it hits appeals in October.
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BiggerBoat posted:https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1683940257966747651 "Lawyers plan immediate appeal to the Trump-appointed Supreme Court of any trial outcome in DC, claiming jury discrimination, even though indictments have not yet been filed". "Our client chose to commit crimes in a 6% Republican district, so the case should be moved, but the stolen documents should remain in Florida with its T appointed chudge and 87% Republican juries".
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Jul 26, 2023 00:10
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It's very cool that basically our entire democracy is hanging by the thread of our legal system working correctly like one time.
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Jul 26, 2023 00:43
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:I had to read the tweet three times trying to understand their emphasis before I gave up and read the article. I'll give it a try:
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Jul 26, 2023 01:25
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cr0y posted:It's very cool that basically our entire democracy is hanging by the thread of our legal system working correctly like one time. Nah. As huge as this is, as much this already should have destroyed him in a sane country, this is still technically a sideshow. As long as he has the nomination, it’s gonna come down to the election. And who even loving knows with these people, they support him after all the objectively horrible things he’s done. How could we tell if they have a tipping point before it happens, if it ever does? Obviously I still want to see him nailed to the wall, but if he’s elected he can just pardon himself. I don’t want to sound histrionic, but I think the 2024 election might be pretty important.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Nah. As huge as this is, as much this already should have destroyed him in a sane country, this is still technically a sideshow. Yeah he's going to try one cool trick that prosecutors hate by being president again. I think the odds of him winning are very low (the party has had nothing but massive electoral defeats since 2016), but the chances of the Republicans nominating a convicted criminal at the convention in July 2024 are very high.
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Name Change posted:Yeah he's going to try one cool trick that prosecutors hate by being president again. I think the odds of him winning are very low (the party has had nothing but massive electoral defeats since 2016), but the chances of the Republicans nominating a convicted criminal at the convention in July 2024 are very high. "my pet justices will bail me out!!!" has also not served him well basically any time he's tried it in the past and he's tried it a number of times.
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Jul 26, 2023 02:56
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eke out posted:"my pet justices will bail me out!!!" has also not served him well basically any time he's tried it in the past and he's tried it a number of times. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/07/next-trump-indictment-supreme-court-jack-smith.html quote:The Supreme Court Might Have Just Handed Jack Smith a Powerful New Tool
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Jul 26, 2023 03:02
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Yeah I didn’t mean that as some kind of O no he’s going scott free run for your lives ahhhhhh thing. Just trying to maintain an accurate assessment of stakes in a chaotic environment. I’m actually oddly hopeful somehow. The Republican party flaming out might mean somebody, somewhere could maybe do a government for a change.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I don’t want to sound histrionic, but I think the 2024 election might be pretty important. Yeah, a younger person I know was just bemoaning how people keep saying "every election is the most important one of your life." Gee. As the fascists keep loving coming, I wonder people keep saying that.
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tracecomplete posted:Yeah, a younger person I know was just bemoaning how people keep saying "every election is the most important one of your life."
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Honestly, current events track very well with my concerns when I first started voting and probably offer an opportunity for a more specific admonition: Your vote today is the supreme court in 25 years. but i want it noooooow
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Jul 26, 2023 04:22
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tracecomplete posted:Yeah, a younger person I know was just bemoaning how people keep saying "every election is the most important one of your life." Somehow, and it's by no means unique to either side of the political spectrum, lots of people seem to have formed the idea that there will be One Election That Solves Everything, as if representative democracy is a video game level and there's a final boss to defeat.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Somehow, and it's by no means unique to either side of the political spectrum, lots of people seem to have formed the idea that there will be One Election That Solves Everything, as if representative democracy is a video game level and there's a final boss to defeat. It makes sense if you, as the saying goes, view representative democracy as a train that you get off of once it reaches your station. Though that just changes it to people who haven't formed the idea that if there was a last election that settles things indefinitely, it's not going to be based on what the candidate promised, much less on what you wanted out of them.
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Jul 26, 2023 05:33
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cr0y posted:It's very cool that basically our entire democracy is hanging by the thread of our legal system working correctly like one time. Not really, no. None of these lawsuits are going to save democracy. The problem isn't that Trump is a fascist. The problem is that he convinced an entire political party to go all-in on fascism, and got 74 million people running out to the polls in the middle of a pandemic to cast their vote in favor of fascism. Even if he goes to prison, those hundreds of GOP fascist politicians and those tens of millions of fascist GOP voters are still gonna be out there.
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Jul 26, 2023 14:23
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Gotta remember that Trump isn’t the disease, he’s a symptom. Even if (major if) he ever faces justice that doesn’t mean the far right is done for and America will become a utopia. It’ll only mean one rich rear end in a top hat got a tiny bit of what they deserve.
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Jul 26, 2023 14:49
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Main Paineframe posted:Not really, no. None of these lawsuits are going to save democracy. He didn't convince the GOP to go fascist. They've been that way since at least Reagan. The only thing Trump did was empower them to bring their lovely agenda out in the open instead of keeping it in the shadows
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Jul 26, 2023 15:08
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I'd agree that they've been that way for a long time but Trump was a particularly useful vehicle for that and made it public and acceptable in a way that it hadn't been in decades.
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Jul 26, 2023 15:58
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Rudy now admits (after getting sued) that he lied about the two election workers passing a thumb drive full of election data that was actually a piece of candy. They were then harassed by Trumpers over the phone and at their homes and about relentlessly. Yet somehow within the same statement... "But Mr. Giuliani, insisting that he still had “legal defenses” in the case, said that he continued to believe his accusations about Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss were “constitutionally protected” under the First Amendment. He also refused to acknowledge that his statements had caused the women any damage — a key element required to collect a judgment in a defamation case." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/rudy-giuliani-concedes-made-false-statements-georgia-election-workers-rcna96395 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1684191832488509442
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Jul 26, 2023 16:02
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Ruby Freeman's testimony during the J6 Committee still gives me chills a year later. God gently caress that dude.
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Jul 26, 2023 16:41
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I wonder if it's to avoid producing some discovery material that would jeopardize other Republicans.
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duodenum posted:I wonder if it's to avoid producing some discovery material that would jeopardize other Republicans. Looks like it’s mostly just to cut down on his own legal fees since what he said was obviously and demonstrably false.
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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1684546735614431232 Vote today?
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"Listen, I know it may seem like big news that everything I was saying about fraud was itself fraudulent, but trust me when I say this stuff that makes me look like I was knowingly committing fraud was actually all part of the plan and not actually news. I see no reason why you shouldn't trust me."
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It's not lying if it's for your own benefit, everyone knows that
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Jul 27, 2023 15:29
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Reporting on something I said is fake news because I didn't really mean it when I said it
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Trump team meeting with defense counsel today.
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Zotix posted:Trump team meeting with defense counsel today. https://twitter.com/ktbenner/status/1684575659728019456
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Is "admission arguendo" an actual term or his just trying to "ad hom. Reductio ad absurdum. QED." his way out of crimes. Or, of course, both.
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projecthalaxy posted:Is "admission arguendo" an actual term or his just trying to "ad hom. Reductio ad absurdum. QED." his way out of crimes. Or, of course, both. It's a real thing, but it doesn't mean what he says it means. That's just "admission for the sake of argument," and it's used to make hypothetical arguments, e.g. "for the sake of argument, let's agree for the moment that I did all those crime things. I'm still not guilty because the plaintiff didn't prove this one element of the crime." When you do that, you aren't in fact admitting to the thing (because it's a hypothetical), but it's not a magic spell that gets you out of having said a dumb thing retroactively.
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https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1684581835719036929
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When can we expect this? What was the turnaround time for the documents one? I'm pretty sure it was a few days.
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My birthday is on Tuesday. I'm kind of hoping it drops then for a hell of a present.
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Meatball posted:When can we expect this? What was the turnaround time for the documents one? I'm pretty sure it was a few days. last time the jury voted on the 5th and trump posted about it on the 8th
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If he should expect an indictment, does that mean the grand jury has already decided and they just haven't announced it yet?
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"There's no good or bad, there's just news"... NBC website doesn't say when, but this Xout/twat says "as early as today". https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1684584758980886528 ps I think I'll start calling them Xits (pronounced sh). PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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