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cruft posted:I'm given to understand this is a legacy menu item not present in new models, because to test for mileage, the testing agency's policy is to disable all energy saving features first. Huh. I just checked my 2021 to make sure I wasn't crazy, and I have "Creep" (slowly crawl forward like an ICE car), "Roll" (no regen, standard coasting), and "Regen" (one-pedal driving). I'm on the latest software version, but I also managed to get mine before they ran out of the USB-C chips.
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Wizard of the Deep posted:Huh. I just checked my 2021 to make sure I wasn't crazy, and I have "Creep" (slowly crawl forward like an ICE car), "Roll" (no regen, standard coasting), and "Regen" (one-pedal driving). I'm on the latest software version, but I also managed to get mine before they ran out of the USB-C chips. Seems like I got some bad information!
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cruft posted:Seems like I got some bad information! I'm not ruling out that we're both right, and they took the feature away with the ultra-sonic sensors or something. But it's definitely there and togglable on my 2021 MYLR.
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Wizard of the Deep posted:There are different levels of regen braking buried somewhere in the controls, going all the way down to coasting much like an ICE car. But yea, it took me less than a week to adjust to one-pedal driving. It's just more-sensitive pedal modulation. You can also adjust the acceleration to be more reasonable. Newer Teslas do not have the ICE-style coasting. At most they let you turn on a creep mode so the car won’t come to a complete stop. Wizard of the Deep posted:I'm not ruling out that we're both right, and they took the feature away with the ultra-sonic sensors or something. It must be something like that. There was no such option when we test drove one a few weeks ago and the salesman confirmed it. This was a dealbreaker for my wife.
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I wonder if they could make ICE deceleration emulation a subscription feature, maybe like $5 a year. Then they can advertise the better range, but not keep losing sales to people who need a few weeks to adjust. Heck, even my toothbrush came with a 2-week gradual intensity ramp-up. I bet Tesla could figure this out. cruft fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Now that you say it, it's totally like driving a stick shift. I just used to put it in a higher gear or throw the clutch all the way in (and it was a ford escort so....not alot of power). I was pretty disappointed in the sales guy for the I5. After failing to answer literally any questions about the car, he then came out to meet us after the test drive and when asked about the difference between the SEL and Limited, he said "well I should have brought out the brochure". He also made a comment about how EVs aren't really practical but you young kids have different priorities. I'm in my late thirties but thanks bud. Completely uninterested in selling me that car which is wild - they have 20 sitting on the lot / in transit. The car is great though. Dealerships just need to get their poo poo together. Contrast that with the Tesla experience. The sales person answered every question we threw at her, even if some of the answers may have been a bit of BS. I understand now why people find the Tesla sales model so refreshing.
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Wizard of the Deep posted:Huh. I just checked my 2021 to make sure I wasn't crazy, and I have "Creep" (slowly crawl forward like an ICE car), "Roll" (no regen, standard coasting), and "Regen" (one-pedal driving). I'm on the latest software version, but I also managed to get mine before they ran out of the USB-C chips. Did you actually try putting it in Roll and driving it? Roll is a “stopping mode” not a regen setting like low/standard so I don’t think it completely turns off regen just makes it become free rolling when it’s already near or at a stop.
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Lowness 72 posted:Now that you say it, it's totally like driving a stick shift. I just used to put it in a higher gear or throw the clutch all the way in (and it was a ford escort so....not alot of power). That was exactly my experience when I cross-shopped the Mach E. Between one dealership straight up lying about having one to test drive, and the other one being just... bored and disengaged the entire time, I said "gently caress it" and ordered my Y that night. bird with big dick posted:Did you actually try putting it in Roll and driving it? Roll is a “stopping mode” not a regen setting like low/standard so I don’t think it completely turns off regen just makes it become free rolling when it’s already near or at a stop. No, I've had it in regen since I bought it. As much as I enjoy the car, I'm not going to go for a midnight drive for the thrill of being more or less right on the internet. Elviscat posted:Saw an Ioniq 6 in the flesh today headed in to work, that is a very, very attractive car, even if it looks a little Tiburony, especially in Forrest Green. More. Green. Cars. Wizard of the Deep fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Try putting the Tesla in chill mode (Pedals and Steering section of settings) and the one-pedal deceleration will be smoother along with acceleration. It's still plenty fast and tire life and passengers will appreciate it.
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A friend of mine hates her boyfriend’s Tesla because of the jerky deceleration. She gets physically ill riding in it. I suspect he’s also driving it poorly (I assume you are supposed to gently depress the pedal to slow down gradually?)
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If you wanted to grab an honda-e, now is the time. It's not getting a successor since they barely moved units. https://www.engadget.com/the-honda-e-compact-electric-car-might-not-get-a-follow-up-051431133.html
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Lowness 72 posted:Completely uninterested in selling me that car which is wild - they have 20 sitting on the lot / in transit. The car is great though. Dealerships just need to get their poo poo together. A lot of manufacturers are going to setting their EV prices so MSRP is equal to Invoice and just flipping the dealer a delivery fee. Since commission sales usually get paid on that spread they don't really have much incentive to sell them when they could make hundreds of dollars more on an ICE unit. Majority it's a dealership culture issue, but the manufacturers know the game and are a little at blame for setting it up to fail.
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Talorat posted:A friend of mine hates her boyfriend’s Tesla because of the jerky deceleration. She gets physically ill riding in it. I suspect he’s also driving it poorly (I assume you are supposed to gently depress the pedal to slow down gradually?) Bad driver or doesn’t care about passenger comfort. I started feeling sick on an Uber ride in a model y once due to how terrible the driver was modulating the accelerator.
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Talorat posted:A friend of mine hates her boyfriend’s Tesla because of the jerky deceleration. She gets physically ill riding in it. I suspect he’s also driving it poorly (I assume you are supposed to gently depress the pedal to slow down gradually?) Yeah, if you’re used to completely letting off the accelerator to start braking, the one pedal experience takes a bit to adjust to. Should only take a couple drives to be fairly smooth with it though.
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borkencode posted:Yeah, if you’re used to completely letting off the accelerator to start braking, the one pedal experience takes a bit to adjust to. Should only take a couple drives to be fairly smooth with it though. Only a couple days, assuming you're trying to even things out. Some folks are going to just not care. I've been in gas cars that are vomit fests because the driver only ever did max acceleration or max braking.
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Ok Comboomer posted:Bolt People: what are your thoughts on 1LT vs 2LT? 2LT is the only way to get ACC 
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It still baffles me how people will insist the car is wrong and not their lack of coordination of their right foot. I got my head around driving with regen within the first test drive and had it sussed within the first week of ownership. If you are making yourself or your passengers sick that’s a you problem. gently caress Tesla if they ever change regen so the car becomes less efficient and wears out the brakes faster just to appease these people.
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ROFLBOT posted:It still baffles me how people will insist the car is wrong and not their lack of coordination of their right foot. I got my head around driving with regen within the first test drive and had it sussed within the first week of ownership. If you are making yourself or your passengers sick that’s a you problem. gently caress Tesla if they ever change regen so the car becomes less efficient and wears out the brakes faster just to appease these people. Meh, it would still be cool if Tesla adds a blended left pedal option. Right now, Tesla's cars only do about 60-90 kW regen max depending on the model, while Korean EVs can do 350 kW regen!
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The correct way to do regen off pedal is driver configurable from zero to max, with blended braking.
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Maybe someone's finally going to challenge the Supercharger network: BMW, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis are creating a joint venture to significantly expand the number of fast-charging sites in the US and Canada.Ars Technica posted:The sites will use the new National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure guidelines, which means, among other things, 97 percent uptime for each charging port. The sites will support both CCS1 and NACS plugs, and the chargers will also support the plug-and-charge protocol.
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So I see this article above about the new joint network that some of the automakers are planning to build, but if the SAE is pushing to have the Tesla charger become the US standard and other automakers (including GM) are going to start using it, then is there any future for CCS? I guess what I'm asking is do I need to sell my Ioniq 5 before it becomes obsolete?
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Mons Hubris posted:So I see this article above about the new joint network that some of the automakers are planning to build, but if the SAE is pushing to have the Tesla charger become the US standard and other automakers (including GM) are going to start using it, then is there any future for CCS? I guess what I'm asking is do I need to sell my Ioniq 5 before it becomes obsolete? CHAdeMO is apparently impossible to adapt to/from CCS, but I can still quick charge the LEAF all over the place. I wouldn't stress too much about this: worst case you'll have to buy a NACS/CCS1 adapter (which is possible to build).
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Yea, CCS1 isn't going to die quite as ignominious a death as Chademo (which isn't DEAD dead yet), but I wouldn't say the future is rosy for the connector, either. I doubt support will really "end" before something like 2035 or later, and you can always adaptor lifestyle into NACS. They specifically call out in the article that both CCS1 and NACS will be supported. The specific ratio will be interesting to see. If you're in a place where you want a new car/EV but don't need one, I think you'll be happier waiting until NACS is more widespread in other manufacturers (~2025). But if you NEED one (accident, growing household, et cetera) anything today should be fine for the expected life of the car. You'll probably want to replace the Ioniq due to battery capacity/general wear and tear before the port availability becomes a major issue.
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Mons Hubris posted:So I see this article above about the new joint network that some of the automakers are planning to build, but if the SAE is pushing to have the Tesla charger become the US standard and other automakers (including GM) are going to start using it, then is there any future for CCS? I guess what I'm asking is do I need to sell my Ioniq 5 before it becomes obsolete? A passive CCS1-NACS adapter is possible (and will be offered by many manufacturers). And CCS1 is still a requirement for new stations (if they want the funding) for the next short while. I wouldn't be too worried in any case. It wouldn't be worse off than the current state of things so if you're doing fine, then it will still get better as more CCS1 become available (until inevitably it goes all NACS).
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cruft posted:Only a couple days, assuming you're trying to even things out. Some folks are going to just not care. I've been in gas cars that are vomit fests because the driver only ever did max acceleration or max braking. I found a guy on the Polestar Reddit saying he did this in LA traffic and depended on his Brembo brakes to keep him out of accidents. People were confused about why he said he was experiencing brake fade in city traffic.
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I have been in the car with so many bad drivers who think their foot always has to be pressing either the gas or brake.
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priznat posted:I have been in the car with so many bad drivers who think their foot always has to be pressing either the gas or brake. Not just pressing it, but mashing it to the floor like it’s an on-off switch rather than, you know, pressure sensitive. My brother in law isn’t *that* bad, but he loves to, uh, modulate the go pedal. He seems incapable of just holding his foot in one place. It’s nauseating.
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Darchangel posted:Not just pressing it, but mashing it to the floor like it’s an on-off switch rather than, you know, pressure sensitive. Yah definitely just mashing that poo poo on and then slamming the brakes to stop at an intersection. That might be the way to drive on a racetrack but day to day driving, not so much.
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cruft posted:First one in 2024 Oh I bet they could write 7 checks to ChargePoint to subcontract out the building of a standard install rebranded to whatever they want by 12/31/24 to technically meet that deadline.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Korean EVs can do 350 kW regen! When? Hammering the brake pedal at 9% SoC when the battery is already preheated because you're about to arrive at a DCFC? I think having blended braking is better too (although probably not from a simplicity/reliability standpoint) but the real world difference here is like 70kW vs 100kW or so and in rare circumstances. I hardly ever touch the brake pedal in the Tesla so I would hardly ever get any "extra" regen out of a blended system. I also don't drive like a jackass though, the people that treat both the throttle and the brake like binary switches would get a lot more out of it.
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Wizard of the Deep posted:That was exactly my experience when I cross-shopped the Mach E. Between one dealership straight up lying about having one to test drive, and the other one being just... bored and disengaged the entire time, I said "gently caress it" and ordered my Y that night. Well I'll save you the trouble then: Cruft is right. Roll mode regens exactly the same it just doesn't blend in the friction brakes when you're about to stop (around 5 mph) and essentially goes into neutral. It's a weird mode tbh and seems largely to be a holdover from before they had hold mode (at one point they only had roll and creep I believe). I can't imagine many people use it and I can't really see any advantage to an EV that essentially behaves like a manual ICE at stoplights.
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slidebite posted:Honest question as someone who really knows nothing about EVs, why is Chademo going to be relegated to the dumpster heap of tech in the near future? Why are people still making cars that utilize it? Isn't chademo (or some variant) still dominant in japan and china?
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VW investing into Xpeng, will be using their technology on future EVs. https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...-Group-in-XPENG
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slidebite posted:Honest question as someone who really knows nothing about EVs, why is Chademo going to be relegated to the dumpster heap of tech in the near future? It's just old, basically. Newer, better technologies exist, including CHAdeMO v3, which looks suspiciously like NACS with a 3rd high-voltage terminal. Like, same reason you don't see many of those square USB connectors these days. slidebite posted:Why are people still making cars that utilize it? I don't think anybody ITT knows, although a few have sort of hinted that maybe Nissan is not the most forward-looking of the Japanese automakers.
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ROFLBOT posted:It still baffles me how people will insist the car is wrong and not their lack of coordination of their right foot. I got my head around driving with regen within the first test drive and had it sussed within the first week of ownership. If you are making yourself or your passengers sick that’s a you problem. gently caress Tesla if they ever change regen so the car becomes less efficient and wears out the brakes faster just to appease these people. The technology needs to serve the user, not the other way around. If someone wants their new car to behave like their old car, coasting when they let off the accelerator and not actively decelerating until they touch the brake, the car should let them do that. And god drat I keep seeing people with this stupid misconception about efficiency re. pedal modes and it drives me nuts. The balance between regenerative braking and friction braking is completely unrelated to what pedal you use to control it. Instead of blending acceleration and regenerative braking on the accelerator pedal, you could let the car coast and blend regenerative braking and friction braking on the brake pedal, and there would be no difference in the amount of energy the car uses or wastes. Single pedal driving is not some magic technology that makes the car more efficient. It's just a user interface decision.
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Sagebrush posted:The technology needs to serve the user, not the other way around. If someone wants their new car to behave like their old car, coasting when they let off the accelerator and not actively decelerating until they touch the brake, the car should let them do that. Sure but the guy is talking about Tesla which since they don't blend in regen on the brake pedal meant that their "low" regen mode largely pissed energy away that could have been regenned but instead was frictioned away.
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Having owned both I think Ford's way of doing it (giving people a ton of options all the way from aggressive 1 pedal to coasting for miles) is great but I will also say that their low speed friction/regen/throttle was a lot less polished than Tesla's system and the touchiness made backing into my garage scary. Whether that is due to their system having worse feel due to being a blended system or if it was just general Ford incompetence, I can't say.
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