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Tayter Swift posted:A boring guilty plea will not force Biden's son to commit suicide, which is the goal of the House GOP. They don't give a poo poo about that. They just want to keep this in the news so legit reporters on legit news sites keep mentioning "Biden" and "crimes" in the same sentence. The fact that we've got CNN and the NYT putting out minute-to-minute coverage of what was supposed to be a boring guilty plea is a win for the GOP.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:What makes you think the goal of the House GOP is to force Joe Biden's son to commit suicide? MGT's posting of Hunter's nudes on the House floor convinced me. I know I'm coming off as something of a kook here but Jesus Christ.
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Hunter killing himself would be a negative for the GOP because of a number of reasons, including making Biden more sympathetic since navigating grief is basically his forte and also it's considered gauche to call the recently deceased "crack-mad cum-drunk cocksmiths"
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Tayter Swift posted:MGT's posting of Hunter's nudes on the House floor convinced me. I know I'm coming off as something of a kook here but Jesus Christ. They're for sure not going to be bothered if they did drive him to suicide, hell they probably would celebrate it. I don't think it's their primary motivation though. He's not as much use to them dead as he is alive. A political punching bag they can keep hitting over and over to spill headlines is the most useful thing to them.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:What makes you think the goal of the House GOP is to force Joe Biden's son to commit suicide? They mentioned in the article from polling that: No one who is not them gives a poo poo about this or the negative press on this. It’s malign retaliation only. It’s more basic then having a political goal, it’s hurt us we hurt you back. Now there is probably some internal point to it (to increase enthusiasm within the GOP).
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Jul 26, 2023 17:50
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Tayter Swift posted:MGT's posting of Hunter's nudes on the House floor convinced me. I know I'm coming off as something of a kook here but Jesus Christ. I mean I'm having a real hard time writing it off based purely off the way I hear supposedly reputable right wing publications or holders of political office use the guy as a one-man wedge issue. They'd fuckin love it
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bird food bathtub posted:They're for sure not going to be bothered if they did drive him to suicide, hell they probably would celebrate it. I don't think it's their primary motivation though. He's not as much use to them dead as he is alive. A political punching bag they can keep hitting over and over to spill headlines is the most useful thing to them. They don't shy away from using dead people as political bludgeons. Makes it easier to put whatever words in their mouths you want. Vince Foster & Vilerat just off the top of my head...
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Jul 26, 2023 17:55
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zoux posted:Hunter killing himself would be a negative for the GOP because of a number of reasons, including making Biden more sympathetic since navigating grief is basically his forte and also it's considered gauche to call the recently deceased "crack-mad cum-drunk cocksmiths" I think the logic here is that Joe Biden would resign if something happens to Hunter or they'd want to point to him being too distraught and scream that he must resign. That would be the logic anyways. They don't understand that people don't care.
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Tayter Swift posted:MGT's posting of Hunter's nudes on the House floor convinced me. I know I'm coming off as something of a kook here but Jesus Christ. I think they want to inflict as much emotional harm as possible with reckless disregard for if it led to that, but I think if it actually happened it would work against them so I don’t think it’s a specific goal.
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Tayter Swift posted:MGT's posting of Hunter's nudes on the House floor convinced me. I know I'm coming off as something of a kook here but Jesus Christ. Yeah frankly it is a pretty kooky idea, because the Republicans materially benefit from bad press around Joe Biden and they don't materially benefit from Hunter Biden killing himself. I don't think the Republicans wanted Hillary Clinton or Obama to kill themselves, or that the Democrats wanted Trump or Nixon to kill themselves, I think it's very normal that politicians want to disgrace each other and very strange to say it's actually about wanting each other to die by suicide. The Republicans are trying to smear Hunter Biden because they want to smear Joe Biden because it facilitates their elections and donations. That's a straightforward easy explanation, "they must actually want Hunter kill himself" is a very very strange alternative. Bar Ran Dun posted:They mentioned in the article from polling that: No one who is not them gives a poo poo about this or the negative press on this. It’s malign retaliation only. It’s more basic then having a political goal, it’s hurt us we hurt you back. Now there is probably some internal point to it (to increase enthusiasm within the GOP). So there you go, there is a political goal to it. Plus the obvious one that every minute of attention given to Hunter Biden is one less minute given to Trump etc. A lovely offense is an effective defense. Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Mooseontheloose posted:I think the logic here is that Joe Biden would resign if something happens to Hunter or they'd want to point to him being too distraught and scream that he must resign. That would be the logic anyways. Dude has had his whole family die like 3 separate times, I think he can handle it.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I think they want to inflict as much emotional harm as possible with reckless disregard for if it led to that, but I think if it actually happened it would work against them so I don’t think it’s a specific goal. Much like with other modern day events you have to adapt to not being able to say "well [group/nation/person] obviously wouldn't do this, because it would clearly and obviously gently caress them over" and it's 100% true with modern american conservatives. There's no underpinning rationality that makes it so you can't rule out that they wouldn't do something just because its dumb and disastrous and would never work
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Jul 26, 2023 18:07
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Yeah frankly it is a pretty kooky idea, because the Republicans materially benefit from bad press around Joe Biden and they don't materially benefit from Hunter Biden killing himself. I get what your saying. Though "the Democrats wanted Trump or Nixon to kill themselves" because they investigated their clearly illegal poo poo vs. trying to create a political firestorm feels like two different things.
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They reached an agreement on a new plea deal. It is basically the same as the old one, but it includes a limited time frame for tax charges and an explicit statement that this does not mean that no future charges could be brought against him as a result of ongoing investigations. The gun charge is back in as part of a package, so the Supreme Court case is probably not happening. It would also make all the terms of his diversion and probation public. quote:The Hunter Biden plea proceedings have restarted and the president’s son has agreed to a limited agreement that covers 2014 to 2019 and only includes conduct related to tax offenses, drug use and gun possession. The judge is not happy about making the terms public or the fact that it gives him immunity for anything tax-related from 2011 to 2019. quote:The judge is asking Hunter Biden a series of questions about the facts that are included in the charging documents. Josh Hawley says the judge's concerns show that they need to investigate Hunter Biden even further. quote:Republican Sen. Josh Hawley told CNN that the back-and-forth in court today on Hunter Biden’s plea deal shows that the deal was always flawed and that more charges could be coming down. https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/hunter-biden-tax-charges-hearing/index.html?tab=all Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Mooseontheloose posted:I get what your saying. Though "the Democrats wanted Trump or Nixon to kill themselves" because they investigated their clearly illegal poo poo vs. trying to create a political firestorm feels like two different things. In terms of the incentives at play and what the party intends to accomplish, they're the same thing. "Our opponent can be said to have acted illegally, let's exploit that as much as possible so there's more negative press coverage of them." The fact that in some cases the behavior was actually illegal or immoral, and in some cases it wasn't - it's very naïve to think that matters to the politicians, because they aren't incentivized to penalize actually illegal or immoral behavior, only to create the impression that their opponents have acted illegally or immorally. Trump and Nixon just made it easier for their opponents than Obama and Clinton did, but that's a matter of degree, not of kind. Honestly the more I think about it the more I'm deeply unsettled by the suggestion that Hunter Biden could be "forced" to commit suicide by being prosecuted. Suicide is never the best response, or even an appropriate response, to troubles in your life except maybe that someone is about to violently torture you. Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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Bar Ran Dun posted:They mentioned in the article from polling that: No one who is not them gives a poo poo about this or the negative press on this. It’s malign retaliation only. It’s more basic then having a political goal, it’s hurt us we hurt you back. Now there is probably some internal point to it (to increase enthusiasm within the GOP). Their efforts to make it a scandal have largely failed to sway non-Republicans so far, true. But that doesn't mean it wasn't their goal to sway voters, nor does it mean that they have any reason to stop trying. It's not every day that a serving president's son is convicted of crimes, after all. It's an opportunity too good to ignore, and the fact that it's failed probably has a lot to do with Joe's strength as a candidate and the GOP's blatant desperation for a scandal to pin on the Bidens.
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New plea deal on hold after the judge refuses to accept it. Hunter pleads not guilty for now. An absolutely wild rollercoaster ride for what is normally the shortest and most boring part of any court proceeding. quote:US District Judge Maryellen Noreika said she was not ready to accept the plea deal, and the hearing ended with Hunter Biden pleading not guilty for the time being. https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/hunter-biden-tax-charges-hearing/index.html?tab=all
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Civilized Fishbot posted:So there you go, there is a political goal to it. Plus the obvious one that every minute of attention given to Hunter Biden is one less minute given to Trump etc. A lovely offense is an effective defense. I'll concede the point; apologies for bringing it up. I've just never seen this level of vindictiveness before, even the poo poo against HRC seemed a bit less personal than posting nudes, which was only legal because it happened on the House floor. It reminds me of high school. I had a bully whose stated, specific goal was to get me commit suicide and it's the same vibe. (He ended up killing himself instead... cold comfort tbh)
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Tayter Swift posted:I'll concede the point; apologies for bringing it up. I've just never seen this level of vindictiveness before, even the poo poo against HRC seemed a bit less personal than posting nudes, which was only legal because it happened on the House floor. Well the modern day chud is a bloodthirsty monster. To them it would be a victory to cause a rich failson to kill himself to hurt a president they hate. Nevermind that he has already lost another son not that long ago.
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the judge needs more details on the legal structure? i'm not a lawyer, but nothing about the original plea agreement struck me as some kind of esoteric house of cards. how is it different from the deals that make up like 90% of the courts business?
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https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1684262402664038405quote:Flag: McConnell just stopped abruptly during his opening statement during the gop leadership presser and appeared to be unable to restart talking. He then stepped away and walked away with Barrasso: Something might be happening with McConnell.
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Shooting Blanks posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1684262402664038405 That’s a right sided TIA. Look at him lurch left. could also cause abrupt aphasia He comes back out and uh doesn’t look great.
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The tweet right after that one it seems like he returned and finished speaking and is saying he's fine so yeah something abrupt and fast.
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Fed meeting and new economic data out. - Fed raises rates again to 5.5%. - Real median wages in June were higher than they were pre-pandemic for the first time since March 2020. This is due to several months of wages finally outpacing inflation. - The Fed is mixed on this because inflation is still higher than they want and they are worried that rapidly rising real incomes could make it harder to get inflation down if higher real wages lead to higher demand for goods. The Fed is particularly concerned about the fact that even as overall inflation has fallen there are sectors in the service economy where inflation has not fallen since 2021 due to high demand and low supply. https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/1684263989914501135 https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1684255193234276355 quote:The Federal Reserve announced Wednesday it had raised its key interest rate by 0.25% to as much as 5.5%, the highest level in 22 years, as it continues to fight persistent inflation in the U.S. economy.
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Neo Rasa posted:The tweet right after that one it seems like he returned and finished speaking and is saying he's fine so yeah something abrupt and fast. For some reason it won't let me link it, but the only followup video I found had him return with a very unsteady gait, and he didn't finish speaking - someone else was at the lectern. He stood in the back.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:the judge needs more details on the legal structure? i'm not a lawyer, but nothing about the original plea agreement struck me as some kind of esoteric house of cards. how is it different from the deals that make up like 90% of the courts business? She initially did not like the fact that the deal basically closed the case on his finances by giving him immunity to anything related to his finances from 2011 to 2019 while there is still technically an "active investigation" into that period going on by the District Attorney and the House Oversight Committee. They changed that slightly with the new agreement and I believe she wants to know the scope of the immunity. She is also upset that there are some irregular things that they don't usually do (like release the terms of diversion for defendants publicly). She didn't specify what sort of scope she believes in appropriate with the latest move, though.
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brugroffil posted:They should stop raising rates imo Probably. They said they might raise it one more time this year. Rates are always a trailing indicator and the Fed kept rates really low for a long time and now they are overcorrecting a little bit after getting hammered for keeping rates low while inflation was rising. They just have a hammer and want to hit the inflation nail regardless of anything else in the way. It looks like the vast majority of inflation was related to supply issues and has been dissipating. Beating down demand is one way to brute force inflation down, but hopefully they back off and inflation continues to fall at current rates.
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Fundamentally a lot of inflation is due to supply side issues (and price gouging by companies). Monetary policy can only do so much for supply since there's a big delay, so the only tool the Fed has is to try to slow down demand. The other basic prescription would be to raise taxes which would be a political no no.
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what about pouring money into increasing production to meet demand??? no, the workers must suffer!
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Morrow posted:Fundamentally a lot of inflation is due to supply side issues (and price gouging by companies). Monetary policy can only do so much for supply since there's a big delay, so the only tool the Fed has is to try to slow down demand. Other than publicly calling them out, is there anything that Congress or Biden can do about price gouging? A ton of various letters to shareholders and CEO statements over the past year have attributed their profit growth to their ability to force higher prices on consumers.
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Sinead O’Connor has been found dead at 56. Seems to be suicide. No specific information being released by the family or police. https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1684259951730884631
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https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1684274873781088256 If it had been TIA they would've rushed him to the hospital, not sent him back out there to possibly die at the podium. Oh well maybe next time.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1684274873781088256 People can and often do refuse medical treatment, even life-saving medical treatment, for dumb vain reasons, like not wanting to appear weak during a public speaking event.
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Morrow posted:Fundamentally a lot of inflation is due to supply side issues (and price gouging by companies). Monetary policy can only do so much for supply since there's a big delay, so the only tool the Fed has is to try to slow down demand.
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He just had to poop. If it can happen to Lamar Jackson it can happen to anyone.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Sinead O’Connor has been found dead at 56.  Lovely voice. Brave as gently caress standing up to the catholic church over pedos 30 years ago.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Other than publicly calling them out, is there anything that Congress or Biden can do about price gouging? A ton of various letters to shareholders and CEO statements over the past year have attributed their profit growth to their ability to force higher prices on consumers. PhazonLink posted:since the s word, supply chain wasmentioned, is the supply chain in a better place, is it more resilient? Congress could do quite a few things. Biden on his own could do a couple things. Both of them would take a while and require international cooperation/spending because the global supply chain still has kinks in it in different places throughout the world. And supply chains for pork and soybeans are different than those for palladium, so there isn't one single supply chain or location you can target to fix the supply chain. The U.S. has put a ton of money into microchip and domestic shipping supply chains this year from bills passed in 2021 and those seem to have helped. The executive branch has also changed a bunch of rules around ports and how they operate to speed up loading and unloading. There's also the issue where there are mixed good and bad outcomes to certain sectors caused by the low unemployment rate. It means that service jobs are paying more and more to try and attract people because you can't outsource those jobs, but that also increases prices, and if the work is bad, then people will skip it for something easier that pays similarly. It's why retail stores, long-haul trucking companies, and pharmacies have had a really hard time getting staffed. Those are jobs that you can't farm out, but they suck, and you have to raise wages very high to attract people to do them. A shortage of staff and rising prices also makes the experience suck more for the consumer. Those issues, the war in Ukraine, and issues with China are basically completely out of their control and fairly big drivers of inflation. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jul 26, 2023 |
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